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Regarding your drug legalization article: You stated that "we are not free to do what we want with our own body" and used walking around topless as an example, and then go on to say that you in fact believe that this should be allowed. It strikes me that a lot more people would notice you going around topless that would notice you smoking weed or injecting heroin in the privacy of your own home. Drugs, if used responsibly, only affect those who consume them and those who choose to associate with those who consume them. (Incidentally, cigarettes cause physical addiction more rapidly than just about any other drug, including heroin. Do you think we should outlaw them?)
Victor <hosehead@discordia.dreamhost.com>
USA - Thursday, December 30, 1999 at 22:43:14 (EST) from NB160-242.ibtnet.com
What impresses me most is not your web site. What impresses me most is the person behind the web site. I came upon a link to you posted by a friend in Usenet. She's right - you're one heck of a girl and I bet your parents are terribly proud of you.
Terry Garvey <tgarvey@efortress.com>
Tiverton, RI USA - Thursday, December 30, 1999 at 21:30:32 (EST) from line214cnt53.efortress.com
Lem, of course not, in fact Jenny Craig is notorious for harassing its male employees and making phony claims, among other things. And she owes her notoriety to Linda Tripp, BTW--maybe Linda should get some of her money. I want to address this Pinhead guy (whose name, BTW, is John Erickson) out in Colorado or Kansas, I'm not sure which: Quit moaning about the sanctity of life! If life were not sacred, they would have gotten rid of you a long time ago! You are lucky somebody hasn't smacked you! Come to think about it, you might want to move to Chappaqua, NY and be next door to the Clintons.
jim g <j_goettel@hotmail.com>
venice, ca USA - Thursday, December 30, 1999 at 17:52:48 (EST) from brentwood.lapl.org
What a wonderful tribute to a beautiful lady...I love your site. God bless.
James <jim547@prodigy.net>
Minneapolis, MN USA - Thursday, December 30, 1999 at 16:05:22 (EST) from MINNA010-0086.splitrock.net
I want to call attention to like minded fans of this site to the unfortunate news that Jenny Craig (a weight loss program) has hired Monica Lewinsky as a spokesperson, for a salary reportedly in the millions of dollars. What is the massage sent by this company to young girls? Do you think this company has a social responsibility to the public? SHAME JENNY CRAIG.
Lem Angeles
Pearl River, NY USA - Wednesday, December 29, 1999 at 16:46:50 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Carolyn, wait, I see where she's going. She's a rape survivor who, in spite of trying to make it look like she had a choice on her web page, didn't really think she had any choice but abortion. She's automatically assuming that every right-to-life person is going to attack her when that's not true. (Even while trying to defend her abortion, she still admits she grieves her lost child... why would anyone in their right mind want to make her pain worse?) Never mind that Feminists for Life *does* address the issue of abortion after rape.

Farron, the regular people here not going to call you a murderer or anything else. Instead, we can point you to places to find post-abortion help and post-abuse help. Nothing can undo the trauma of the past, but there are ways to heal and look forward to a brighter future.
Sehlat
USA - Tuesday, December 28, 1999 at 12:02:16 (EST) from libbkr183.library.Vanderbilt.Edu


Diana is super. she is ideal person. and your site is very very good.
arvindsony <arvindsony@yahoo.com>
bikaner, raj india - Tuesday, December 28, 1999 at 08:33:55 (EST) from 202.54.24.203
Wait! Stop! Please, read my website. Before you go on anymore thinking as you do. Please...I can't say enough that you are so one-sided. If you see what I have to say maybe then you won't think we are all murderers. I am anti-abortion if it was their choice to have sex, but that wasn't my story was it? Please think again and I'm glad you will all listen. I love you all and please have a heart. I wish you all luck in everything you do! =)
Farron <Crazy6gurl9>
Miami, FL USA - Monday, December 27, 1999 at 02:35:44 (EST) from spider-wi073.proxy.aol.com
Please tell me where I have ever referred to those who have aborted as murderers.
Just Fyi EVERY The new millenium starts in 2001 NOT 2000 http://aa.usno.navy.mil/AA/faq/docs/millennium.html the above link is about when the millennium starts
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, December 27, 1999 at 00:36:28 (EST) from 216.87.32.212.primary.net
Merry Christmas, and a Happy new millenium
Paul Sparshott <paul.sparshott@which.net>
Chichester, West sussex England - Sunday, December 26, 1999 at 20:42:53 (EST) from p15-wigeon-gui.tch.which.net
All US Truckers, Okys, Cowboys, Hicks, Hobos, Rednecks, and Truckers wanta say HE! YA! CAROLYN MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY !!!!
ALL Of US <cowboys@oky.com>
Outdare, OK USA - Saturday, December 25, 1999 at 12:48:58 (EST) from client-151-204-207-93.bellatlantic.net
hoHO! Merry Christmas & Happy Y2K!
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 23:41:48 (EST) from port-1-46.sei.one.net
Pro-life feminism? An absolute contradiction, a total hypocrisy, if you ask me. You're either one or the other. You either believe we should eradicate women's rights and plummet back into the Dark Ages, or you believe women should have the right to be in control of themselves. You can't be both.
Charity
- Friday, December 24, 1999 at 22:40:15 (EST) from cr313111-a.surrey1.bc.wave.home.com
Really? Then I guess Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton aren't feminists.
Merry Christmas, Carolyn!
Susan, Ken and Family
Lodi, CA USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 14:53:44 (EST) from ppp-173-6.lodinet.com
Merry Christmas Carolyn, and Happy Holidays to everyone.
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
Centerville, OH USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 13:38:42 (EST) from pm02-s47.donet.com
I just visited your Mother Teresa page & loved it! You made me feel much better as it has been financially difficult for us this season. Merry Christmas & God Bless!
Janet Easton <janmarie_06226>
Willimantic, CT USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 13:22:13 (EST) from HRFRB107-10.splitrock.net
M E R R C H R I S T M A S !
Carolyn (ya know, the one who runs this thing..)
:), USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 10:56:33 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Merry Christmas Carolyn... ;^D

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 10:36:31 (EST) from ip100.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Merry Christmas Carolyn!
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 09:44:11 (EST) from 216.87.32.216.primary.net
YOURE A SICK BASTARD. WHY DONT WE TEST ON YOU YOU PEVERT!!!
Harry Martin
YL, CA USA - Friday, December 24, 1999 at 01:09:46 (EST) from ts-209-79-237-130.pbi.net
Dave: Your karma would spoil the appetite of a school of hungry paranha. Try jumping off a tall building with just your "wings" flapping and let us know how your karma makes out. See you in the movies. Bye bye.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Thursday, December 23, 1999 at 19:48:19 (EST) from 207-172-139-49.s49.as9.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Ok, Dave, Karma sucks. We can "get off the wheel of life and death" by making amends for our past sins in the lives to which we are reborn. Really? What chance did the 4 month old baby get to make amends? Did her horrible death get her "off the wheel"? She atoned for past sins by dying? I thought Christ's death was to atone for our sins. Are you saying the eternal life promised through Christ in Christianity is actually reincarnation, and are you saying that Christ doesn't save us from our sins and "duty" to follow our destiny on the Karma wheel? If so, that wheel is a heckuva a lot more powerful than Christ, right? Please point out scriptures that support the idea of reincarnation and Karma. So far, those you've pointed out are a stretch. So are the old testament passages about the "sins of the father". I don't think these have anything to do with Karma. Hinduism and Christianity don't mix well.
Susan
Lodi, CA USA - Thursday, December 23, 1999 at 18:17:59 (EST) from ppp-173-24.lodinet.com
Gee HP just what I wanted to see first thing in the A.M *yuck* heh heh heh :)
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE (although I'm not really sure who I am since I've had no Caffeine yet this A.M)
USA - Thursday, December 23, 1999 at 11:09:49 (EST) from 216.87.32.222.primary.net
Melissa: You’re absolutely right, karma does suck! Nevertheless, it’s a reality. The point is—all of us should be striving to get off the wheel of birth and death. How do we do that? By following Jesus’ first and foremost commandment—to the love the Lord with our entire being. If our love for Him is perfect, if our only desire is to please, love and serve Him, then we don’t need to take birth in this sewer, aka the material world, where we’re subjected to birth, disease, old age and death repeatedly. Is there a hell? Absolutely, hellish planets are described in excruciating, and meticulous detail in the Vedas. But God doesn’t condemn anyone there eternally. You go there, suffer and eventually you get another chance. Geez, you guys. I thought God is All-Loving. What kind of God would cast us down in the fiery pits of hell, FOREVER and just say, "That’s it. Too bad." Melissa,your tragic 4-month old baby homicide, and Jeff’s 38 million babies murdered in the last 25 years, etc. I’m still waiting for your response. These are all God’s children—His babies. If He’s All Merciful (which I KNOW HE IS), then why does He allow this to happen. Why did He spare my children, and allow these others to die such a horrible death?
Dave
USA - Thursday, December 23, 1999 at 07:04:15 (EST) from a24b25n241client26.hawaii.rr.com
Oh no ya don't. Thomas Crapper, inventor of the toilet, has a lot more to do with crap than Karma does. Manure is a very significant part of my life down on the pharm, so I'm an expert in the field. ;-) ;-) Have to agree with you on conviction, though. No one wants to take their religion with them to work or "play". We are told by lbrls to check our convictions at the door. This is bull****! (Click below for photos.)
Hoosier Pharmer <fixedlink>
USA - Thursday, December 23, 1999 at 01:32:20 (EST) from port-4-24.sei.one.net
Jesus was God Incarnate. He was not re-incarnated as a relative of a fly, nor did he concern himself with being recycled in the flesh. Post-Christian Americans are entirely too shallow to discuss karma (Sanskrit for "the things one did" and somehow related to the English word "crap"), re-incarnation, the transmigration of souls, Mother Teresa's miserable poor in Calcutta, etc. I once asked a Caucasian army buddy who was preaching Hiduism to the barracks if he believed in sacred cows? When asked how he could be a Hindu and not believe in sacred cows he scoffed that he could believe anything he liked. End of intellectual conversation. End of philosophical discourse. How about those two American brothers who went to Pakistan a few years back, took out citizenship, converted to Islam, and later went crying to the American embassy when sentenced under the law of Sharia to have their hands cut off for larceny. The lack of convictions and the abundance of beliefs in America is staggering and is a reflection of a public school system that celebrates well-articulated, often misspelled, anti-Christian mindlessness. God is real, Jesus saves, but creation is a mess in search of a muss.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Wednesday, December 22, 1999 at 23:23:34 (EST) from 207-172-137-224.s33.as4.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
sdf
Joe Shmoe <non of your business>
fdsf, sdf USA - Wednesday, December 22, 1999 at 14:25:09 (EST) from 207.99.61.1
It remains truly amazing to me that the law allows a woman to walk into a clinic without hesitation and commit murder on an unborn child. I ask each of you to ask yourselves this question: If more than 38,000,000 children were killed in the last quarter century by any other method (handguns for instance)...would the law still allow it?
Jeff Campbell <jeffcampbell98@yahoo.com>
Saltville, VA USA - Wednesday, December 22, 1999 at 13:01:57 (EST) from sev120.smyth.net
Thanks for taking on the State of Maryland, obvious lapdogs of the Clinton Cabal, in the Tripp matter. As a Clinton detractor (Town hall meeting, San Diego, 1993) I am too familiar with the horrors of political reprisals so often used by this bunch. Keep up the x-cellant work!!!
Lorne Fleming <LORNEFLEMING@AOL.com>
San Diego, ca USA - Wednesday, December 22, 1999 at 12:43:34 (EST) from spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com
Another sad story -- a four month old baby was found dead in her crib -- an autopsy showed that she had multiple head injuries, obviously a homicide. Sorry, I just don't believe the reincarnation bit, that this poor baby "deserved" to be bashed in the head because of something she did in a "previous life." The Christian view of earthly suffering is disturbing to me, but the Hindu belief in reincarnation is even worse. Perhaps this is why millions live in poverty and squalor in overwhelmingly Hindu India, because they "deserve it," while in some areas rats live in temples and are fed bowls of milk?? Karma sucks!
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Wednesday, December 22, 1999 at 10:10:26 (EST) from fw.usip.edu
Yo, Dave! It's freeeeezing down on the pharm -Plunging to 7 degrees tonight. BRRR. But that Karma debate is heating up. Phun! God bless you too :-)
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, December 22, 1999 at 01:30:59 (EST) from port-2-4.sei.one.net
To Dave: You are quoting scripture to support your belief so you must believe the bible is inspired, but you are leaving a few things out. What about hell? Was Jesus lying when he spoke of hell? From what I know about reincarnation, you keep going until you get it right and then become part of some giant spiritual cosmos. (sorry if I got that wrong). Anyway where does hell fit in? The bible is very clear on this matter. Evil people go to hell. There is a story in the old testament of a man who was in hell and cried to Abraham to allow someone to warn his brothers so that they wouldn't end up there. Have you read the WHOLE bible? It's easy to pick out a few passages that seem to support your view but if you have read the bible from cover to cover there is no way you could support reincarnation. I'm sure this belief gives people comfort, no one wants to believe their old athiest aunt Martha is burning in hell. If you had a 5 year old daughter that was raped and murdered would you believe that she had it coming? Would it comfort you to know that she was being justly punished even though she suffered horribly? Or what if she was attacked and lived, would you explain to her that she was getting what she deserved because she was evil in a past life? Please go read the bible and leave the other books alone. When you quote Timothy about scripture being inspired he was talking only about the scriptures that became the bible. Paul lived and died for Christ so I am sure he would not be talking about any scripture that contradicted the Christian message.
pro life
USA - Tuesday, December 21, 1999 at 20:23:48 (EST) from JFCYB102-36.splitrock.net
Looking at the hole instead of the donut--or, where I work, the bagel. ;-) Too much worry about details, I think. I sort of worry about one who thinks there is no God at all. But sometimes there is too much fighting over the differences in religions. Maybe that is what makes atheists??
What makes you think that it is not "bad Karma" to allow the strong to prey upon the weak??
As was mentioned before, the reincarnation idea is an attempt to explain the misery that some are simply born into, or those who have debilitating congenital illness. Such things as anencephaly come to mind. The Christian explanation for this is hard for me to understand.
In most religions, it is considered a bad career move to p*o* God. This makes perfect sense to me at this stage of development.
Merry Christmas.

Makabe, R.
USA - Tuesday, December 21, 1999 at 17:18:37 (EST) from dialup-63.210.228.2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
When Bill and Hillary were married, Bill made her make one promise, that she never looked into the shoebox Bill kept under their bed. After 20 years, the suspense was just too much for Hillary. One night, she took a peek into the box and found three empty beer cans and $485.22 in cash. For days, she kept her intrusion a secret, but one night, at dinner, she could hold it in no longer. "Bill," she said. "I must confess that after 20 years I broke my promise to you and looked in the shoebox." "That's OK, " said Bill, "I knew it would happen sooner or later." Hillary then asked what was the significance of the empty beer cans. Bill said, "Every time I was unfaithful to you, I had a beer and put the empty can into the box to remind me not to do it again." Hillary was relieved and gratified that after over twenty years, and given Bill's reputation, there were only three cans in the box. She then asked, "What is the significance of the $485.22?" Bill replied, "Whenever the box got filled, I sold the cans."
Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Tuesday, December 21, 1999 at 14:40:10 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Dave, you're still wrong on karma. When the apostles asked Jesus the question about the man's sin, these guys were still "in training" and had all kinds of wrong ideas. The fact that they had this question means nothing other than their own ignorance. Jesus's answer, on the other hand, did. For one thing, He showed them that their thinking was all wrong. Second, He said this was to be done to His glory. As far as the John the Baptist/Elijah business, John came in the spirit of Elijah, but was not Elijah himself. If John had been Elijah, then John would have been on the Mount of Transfiguration, not Elijah.

Hebrews 9:27, written before any alleged "doctrinal changes" (which in itself has a lot of problems... see Matthew 5:18), says "it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the judgment". The Bible teaches no second chance after death.

And again, believing in karma negates the need for good works toward people in crisis because the "victims" are only getting their just desserts from some past life which they don't even remember. The Bible, on the other hand, teaches that we should help others in need and recognizes that innocent people are harmed by another's sin.

Origen held a lot of heretical teachings and his teachings are not held in high esteem by most of the church. He carried a lot of stuff too far, such as having himself castrated when he read about making oneself a eunuch for the kingdom of Heaven.

The Vedas, the Koran and the Bible cannot all be Scripture. The Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, the Koran teaches that Isa was a special prophet but not the Son of God, and the Vedas do not address Jesus Christ at all. When they contradict on the person of Christ, in Whom salvation is based, they cannot all be the Word of God. They contradict on almost everything else as well... heaven, good works, the status of women, evangelism, you name it. Choose this day whom you will serve. You cannot serve the Lord of Lords as recorded in Scripture and still embrace the teachings of the Vedas and Koran. It is not possible. Don't even try to embrace them all. You have a choice to make.
Sehlat
USA - Tuesday, December 21, 1999 at 11:48:11 (EST) from libbkr179.library.Vanderbilt.Edu


Sehlat: Please forgive me, I’ll try to make this as concise as I can. With all due respects, your truth regarding karma and reincarnation is flawed. How can you say there is only one "lifetime", when evidence in the Bible proves otherwise. For example, Jesus’ disciples met a man who was blind from birth and asked, "Master, was this man born blind because of his sins or his parents’ sins?" (John 9:2) Just the fact that they asked this question means they accepted the reality of reincarnation and the law of karma. Of course, Lord Jesus’ replied neither was the case, and that in this incident, God had arranged this miracle "so that the work of God could be displayed in his life." Another example is when Jesus spoke directly of reincarnation: "Elias truly shall first come and restore all things, But I say unto you that Elias has come already…then the disciples understood that he spoke unto them of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:11-13) Reality check: The Church taught reincarnation (See Origen’s "On First Principles) until around 550 A.D. when Emperor Justanian banned these teachings and told the people they would go to hell if they followed them. Why? It seems that people were kinda diggin’ the idea that they could come back again and again, and therefore weren’t very serious about their spiritual life. So, out came the new doctrine: you only live once, and if you blow it, you’ll burn in hell eternally. Finally, I beg you to open your heart and look at other evidence in the Vedas, and the Koran. "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching."(1 Tim 3:16-17) May God bless you richly during this wonderful season of joy and glorification of His Son, Lord Jesus Christ! P.S. Hoosier Pharmer, howzit? Aloha brah, and Ke Akua me ke Aloha (God bless you.)
Dave
USA - Tuesday, December 21, 1999 at 01:16:16 (EST) from a24b25n241client26.hawaii.rr.com
Princess Diana has been a role model for me since I can remember. The things I liked about her was how she helped the needy and how she went to the third world countries, to help the people there try and help the sick and ingured. And I also like the way she dressed to go to dances and stuff. She will always be my role model, I am 14 almost 15 (april 17)
Laura Gordon <girliegirl114@hotmail.com>
Lamont, AB Canada - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 23:06:14 (EST) from edtntnt4-port-152.agt.net
Here is an excellent site to read about computer virus hoaxes y'all read this now y'hear
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 23:01:56 (EST) from 216.87.37.132.primary.net
Look on the bright side Heather Worms have lotsa protein
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 22:46:52 (EST) from 216.87.37.132.primary.net
What does a girl have to do to get on this Gargaro gift list? And I thought you liked me, Carolyn, I thought you really liked me. *sob**sniffle**pout* I guess I'll go eat some worms.
Heather
CA USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 20:22:58 (EST) from naz.compuall.net
Hey pro choice, I would rather be a stupid, conservative, Christian half wit than a smart, liberal, bitter athiest like yourself. How terrible your life must be to be so full of anger and hatred. Maybe you should give Jesus a try, he can really give you some inner peace. :)
pro life
USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 19:43:13 (EST) from JFCYB102-07.splitrock.net
Y'all ought to see what Carolyn sent me! Thanks to her, I have Halo the Angel Beanie Baby. She's so cute :) The Marvin cards are great, too. The Warner Brothers store people must love you ;)
Lara
Music City, TN USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 14:56:42 (EST) from libbkr181.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
To PLM: Bravo! That was simply brilliant! Anyone who is intellectually honest will recognize that the pro-"choice" faction is truly pro-abortion and anti-responsibility. Unfortunately, hysterics outweigh logic when folks are uninformed.
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
Centerville, OH USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 10:54:02 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
To Pro-Choice:

Mind explaining to me how the baby can choose NOT to be aborted, given he/she has no rights to NOT be killed?

Or more in your league, *I* dont believe in abortion, dont want one, wouldnt want one if I had a gestating child of my own threatened with one, yet I cannot NOT have one because the sick laws you support do not recognize a father's rights merely to retain his own child, much less to abort. Mind explaining to me how I am to avoid an abortion other than by never having sex in my entire life or growing a womb? Its amazing how its "too great of a burdon" on women to realize each sex act can lead to a baby, contraceptives fail, but women cannot be expected not to screw, so women must have abortion rights, etc., but *MEN* are expected to not only pay child support and have no right to NOT abort, but also must accept *lifetime abstinence* or face a forced abortion on/in any given pregnancy since the laws also dont require any woman to keep her presex word on what she would do if she got pg! Hmmmmm. Some equal protection and equal due process ya got there, Pro-Choice-NOT! So, is this what it means to be "Prochoice"-2 out of 3 involved parties have absolutely no choice or say about the course of their own lives, one dying by force, so ONE female person can have all the options?

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 10:15:08 (EST) from ip177.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hey Pro Abort err Choice GROW UP!
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 01:20:23 (EST) from 216.87.32.214.primary.net
If you stupid conservative christian half-wits don't believe in abortion then DON'T HAVE ONE, and stop trying to shove your imaginary jesus bulls**t down everybody else's throats
Pro Choice
USA - Monday, December 20, 1999 at 00:54:42 (EST) from ppp-341.tnt-1.atl.smartworld.net
Dave, I said your beliefs were sick, not you. I didn't call you a name. I told the truth. The Biblical idea of reaping and sowing and the Eastern karma are still opposed to each other.

When one reaps what he sows, he knows exactly what he did (or at least has a way of finding out if alcohol or drugs were involved). There is a definite punishment or consequence to a wrong action performed *in this lifetime*. There are no other lifetimes. The Bible says that man is to die *once*, then the judgment. Reaping and sowing is only partially related to the question that Melissa raised about the 5-year-old killed by her... I hate to call that thing a mother. It is related only in the sense that many people who have done wrong and repented often go help others trapped in the same problem or people who have been harmed by someone else's actions. The law of reaping and sowing does recognize that innocent people can be hurt by someone else's actions.

Karma, on the other hand, is punishing a person for some deed in a "previous lifetime" that the person has no remembrance of and no way to verify that the deed was even done. Living by the law of karma effectively removes any need to help others and to lobby against human rights abuses, for the "victims" of abusers are only getting their just desserts for wrongs committed in a past life. Karma justifies the evil that was done against a child too young to understand this world (much less past lives and karma), and that is sick and wrong.

Total opposites. Equating karma with reaping and sowing is... dare I say it?... blasphemy.

No answer to the question of suffering ever satisfies anyone fully, but Henry M. Morris does a good job of covering the topic in his book "Many Infallible Proofs". Blaming an innocent child's painful suffering on some supposed "misdeeds" from a "past life" is nothing short of cruel, and completely against Scripture.
Sehlat
USA - Sunday, December 19, 1999 at 18:06:36 (EST) from 129.59.149.219


Dave, you live in Hawaii??? Howz the weather? Can ya mail us some?? ;-)
Sometimes I think atheism is the most dogmatic of dogmas. They must really be sure of themselves, and are not even hedging their bets. I guess the penalty for being wrong is seriously bad Karma.

Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Sunday, December 19, 1999 at 15:07:54 (EST) from port-2-36.sei.one.net
Hi Carolyn, Just wanted to thank you so much fore the lovely Chjristmas gifts! :) The baby loved the stuffed unicorn and has it in her crib with her. Thanks so much for everything; I hope you like what you're getting from us! :) BTW, WHERE did you find marvin the Martian Christmas cards?? We ALL LOVE him here!! Let me know! TTYL, Annette
Annette <matushka1@iname.com>
USA - Sunday, December 19, 1999 at 13:44:52 (EST) from PPPa86-ResaleHatboro1-4R7145.saturn.bbn.com
JSBurke: You still don’t get it. Can I show you religion? As I’m sure you know, the word comes from "religio" meaning to "re-bind or fasten again." What’s being joined together again? It’s our intimate loving relationship with the Supreme Person that we’ve forgotten. Whether you know it or not, you are God’s child, and you already have a loving relationship with Him. You’re simply in rebellion. I can show you religion is true, but if you’re not sincerely interested in knowing, why waste the time. Your arrogance is what is keeping you away from God. If you want to know true religion (and I’m not talking about a sectarian faith—Christianity, Islam, Hindu, etc) then you’ll have to abandon the ascending method. You (all of us) can’t climb your way into the Kingdom of God with your pathetic, pea-sized intellect. Your brain/mind/intelligence is made out of gross and subtle material energy, and therefore it’s impossible for you to grasp the Absolute Truth, which is a made of spiritual energy. The only way you can understand God, and reestablish your forgotten relationship with Him is by the descending method. You pray, meditate, read scripture, praise and glorify His Name, engage in activities that are pleasing to Him, then if you’re sincere, and not in your challenging mode, and you approach Him with genuine humility, He will descend and reveal Himself to you in ways that will blow your mind. I was told that Bertrand Russell, British philosopher and lifelong atheist, freaked when someone asked him on his deathbed, "Bert, what happens if you’re wrong about God." He started shaking uncontrollably with fear. You see, J.S. if I’m wrong, I’ve lost nothing; if you’re wrong, you’ve lost everything. May the blessings of Lord Jesus on his glorious Appearance Day be upon you.
Dave <kuipo1000@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, December 18, 1999 at 20:21:04 (EST) from a24b25n241client26.hawaii.rr.com
TO: Pro-Life and Sehlat...How unfortunate that you've missed the point. And how sad that you have to resort to name-calling. But actually there is some truth in what you say. I am sick. We all are. We're sick and stupid thinking that this temporary material world--with all its trappings can make us happy. Instead of following Lord Jesus Christ's first and foremost commandment--to love God with our entire being--we place our love on the temporary names and forms of this world. Fact is, the law of karma and the reality of reincarnation are the only logical, plausible explanation of "why bad things happen to good people." How do you explain a child that's born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and another one is born grovelling in the gutters of New Delhi? If God is All-merciful, why does He allow that to happen? Is He playing favorites? I've asked this question to many "Christians", and I've never received a satisfactory answer. I'm open to the Truth. Are you?
Dave <kuipo1000@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, December 18, 1999 at 01:15:57 (EST) from a24b25n241client26.hawaii.rr.com
To answer the question, "It's hard to believe that "God has a purpose" for everyone. How can anybody's purpose be to be born, suffer, and then die?" one must accept the fact that all are born to die. Life is a fatal disease. God's concern is not about how we die, but how we live our lives. Evil comes from man's failure to know God or his failure to serve a just and loving God. Knowing God is to know His presence here on earth in His Son, Jesus Messiah, Emmanuel. Jesus came to earth so that we might know God; he died so that we might know that heaven awaits those who know God. Let us all celebrate His birth and promise to all the world. Isaiah 7:14 says, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Peace on earth to all men of good will.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Friday, December 17, 1999 at 21:32:43 (EST) from 207-172-138-2.s2.as5.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Dave's belief about Karma is not sick. You may not agree, and it may not be correct, but that does not make Dave sick. The wheel of Karma has something in common with something in the Bible which does say that you will reap what you will sow. The difference is that Hindu beliefs about Karma state that a person can live many lives, and the reaping and sowing extends throughout this long period of learning. Belief in reincarnation, and the extension of Karma throughout the cycles of multiple lives does not excuse evil. After all, the evil doers are promised future punishment in that belief system too. Dave's belief is another effort to explain the plight of the victims of evil. Notice that Dave, like various Christians, does not place blame for evil upon God.
Makabe,R
USA - Friday, December 17, 1999 at 12:07:24 (EST) from dialup-63.210.230.105.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
Dave, what you believe is nothing short of sick. I'm with pro life on this one. The Bible teaches that people only get ONE shot on this planet, not a series of endless reincarnations. After we die, that's it. We end up in one of two places (but that is another topic). There is no punishment for a past life because there is no past life. There is no punishment for the sins of ancestors (although clearly their actions can harm innocent descendants, as this monster... I hate to call her a mother... did to her child).

It has been said that Christianity and Hindusim are mutually exclusive. Trying to use both the Bible and the Vedic Scriptures to defend the abuse an innocent child suffered, and knowing the Bible does not teach punishment for actions in a past life, is pretty good evidence of that. Considering that some experts claim there are as many versions of Hinduism as there are villages, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Hindus disagree as well.
Sehlat
USA - Friday, December 17, 1999 at 11:22:22 (EST) from libbkr181.library.Vanderbilt.Edu


To dave: You are one sick individual. So children are molested or raped or beaten or tortured or murdered because of something they did in a past life that they don't even remember. That is so incredibly stupid! You sure let a lot of sick, perverted, evil criminals off the hook with that one. Boy, who fed you that line of crap? I bet they are having one giant laugh at your expense!
pro life
USA - Friday, December 17, 1999 at 07:57:24 (EST) from JFCYB102-14.splitrock.net
To Melissa: I've been thinking about your question and it reminded me of something I read once. I don't remember the exact words but it went something like this: One day a man was walking home from work and passed a homeless man laying on a park bench, he kept on walking and passed a begger who asked him for some change, he just kept walking and then he passed a little girl in dirty worn out clothes with no shoes on. He kept going and finally made it home to his warm house where he sat down to supper with his wife and children. As he prayed over his meal he said, "God, why oh why is there so much injustice in the world? I just can't stand it, why don't you do something?" And God answered him and said, "I did do something, I made you." I think we need to ask ourselves what WE can do to change things. I know God exists, I see the proof all around me. But I can't make you see it. I also know he cares because he made people like you. The blame belongs to satan because he is as real as God is, and he preys on the weak. If what has happened to that little girl has made you doubt God than he has done his job. I too wonder why God doesn't intervene more often but there's only one heaven "and this ain't it."
pro life
USA - Friday, December 17, 1999 at 07:42:47 (EST) from JFCYB102-06.splitrock.net
To Melissa: The person who reported the death position of the little girl must have put his own interpretation on it. There are possible physical (medical) reasons for the posture other than prayer. Unfortunately this poor girl was probably not even taught such a way to obtain hope by a mother who would starve her. I am not learned in spiritual things, having only recently begun intense study. If we have true freedom to choose a life path, then one can expect that there will be victims of those who choose evil. I hope that the helpless victims find comfort in a following life.
Makabe, R
USA - Friday, December 17, 1999 at 00:52:45 (EST) from dialup-63.210.230.145.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
Oh my God/Goddess!! I am SOOO glad that I'm not the only one who can see through the phoniness and lies of that smoke-blowing bastard of a fraud Al Gore! I am going to be sick if he becomes the next president! We MUST keep him out of office!!
Tony <dude_power1@hotmail.com>
WI USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 23:56:06 (EST) from max-brf-165.discover-net.net
Melissa, I KNOW God exsists otherwise I'd be worm-food 10 times over by now... lesee.. now 30 operations(many of them major) 1 car roll-over 1 coma 1 ruptured kidney 1 subdural hematoma 1 collapsed lung several stays in ICU shall I continue?
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 22:06:45 (EST) from 216.87.32.220.primary.net
Melissa: God not only exists, but He loves us unconditionally, is All-Merciful and All-caring. If you are sincere and open your mind and heart, you will be able to understand the law of karma--or "as you sow, so shall you reap." We are eternal spiritual beings temporarily encaged in material bodies. We are responsible for all of our actions, whether in this life or previous lives. If you sow good seeds--doing good to others, then good things will happen to you. If you engage in sinful activities, then bad things will happen to you, either in this life, or in subsequent lives. The starved-to-death 5-year old from Philly you mentioned is reaping what she sowed in a previous life. God is not punishing her; she is simply receiving the reactions for her sinful activities from her previous life. The teachings of reincarnation are supported biblically, as well as from the Vedic literature/scipture coming from India. It's our choice whether or not we want to accept this as Absolute Truth.
Dave <kuipo1000@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 19:31:32 (EST) from a24b25n241client26.hawaii.rr.com
Melissa, PETA - peoples for the equal treatment of animals may conclude that God put this girl there so that the rats would not starve.
If Anita Why not Juanita
NY USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 13:40:35 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Thanks for your thoughtful answers on the "God" question. I never said I hated God. I should have made myself clearer; I meant why do the innocent suffer? Here in Philly, the Inquirer ran a story about a woman who starved her five year old daughter to death. It said the girl's decomposing body -- which was found in a cellar, and had been gnawed on by rats -- was found knelt as if she were praying. If God is so merciful and loving, why didn't He answer her prayers? I conclude that 1) He really doesn't exist or 2) He really doesn't care.
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 10:36:21 (EST) from fw.usip.edu
Thank you for the ring. May it be useful to help those who need to recover and help others avoid the trajic decision of death to American unborn babies. Visit my www.charlesdale.com and review An Unborn's View From Heaven. charles dale sorrels/colo sprgs
Charles Dale Sorrels <cdsorrels@aol.com>
Colo Sprgs, Co USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 04:29:04 (EST) from spider-wi022.proxy.aol.com
Look forward to visiting your ring when i have more time. An Unborn's View From Heaven is a prose i've written after the trajic death of my own grandchild in the child's third month in the womb. Get a copy at www.charlesdale.com
Charles Dale Sorrels <cdsorrels@aol.com>
Colo Sprgs, Colo USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 04:26:15 (EST) from spider-wi022.proxy.aol.com
Look forward to visiting your ring when i have more time. An Unborn's View From Heaven is a prose i've written after the trajic death of my own grandchild in the child's third month in the womb. Get a copy at www.charlesdale.com
Charles Dale Sorrels <www.charlesdale.com>
Colo Sprgs, Colo USA - Thursday, December 16, 1999 at 04:24:49 (EST) from spider-wi022.proxy.aol.com
Watch the vice perpetrator (no controlling legal authority) Al Gore tonight on Fox explain away Juanita Broderick’s rape charge against Bill Clinton. He was not prepared for the questions. The video of the interview will be shown on Fox News Hannity and Colmes.
Another conservative
NY USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 17:25:32 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Well I think your site is sorta boring. I would have better links. Miss Popular of Madison High ***Libby Stratski***
Libby Stratski <eLmOgrrrL@aol.com>
New Canaan, CT USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 16:53:05 (EST) from spider-tk014.proxy.aol.com
JSB, it says "evidence". And you are all wound up over 'proof', remember? Those of us who identify God as the source of good, of course will see evidence of Him in those people who exemplify goodness. My statement presupposes an allowance for the existence of God, and is not applicable to you at this time. The question that I was addressing comes from someone who is possibly more ****ed at God for permitting the existence of evil (due to free will), rather than from a proselytizing atheist, fulla hubris, in 100% denial of God's existence.
Now get back to your booboo avoidance on that other topic.

Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 16:27:55 (EST) from port-3-9.sei.one.net
Yes Folks there IS a new HUMAN virus going aound it's Called Hoaxus Believeis hehe becareful it seems to be spreading rapidly in the internet community it was first dicovered in victim #1 and spread rapidly to other guilble human there is a cure though: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE NET! And by helping to stamp out this virus but not spreading rumours by CHECKING THEM OUT VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE SENDING WARNINGS TO OTHERS~
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 15:18:47 (EST) from 216.87.32.214.primary.net
My undeserved, unconditional, complete apologies. I will check next time. http://www.nstorm.com/virushoax.html
Lem Angeles
NY USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 12:18:05 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
ARGH. Regarding the "virus" info below, please see this and THIS.
People, please check this stuff out before sending it around! Bookmark these two sites NOW:

Carolyn (who is tired of her e-mail being filled with virus hoaxes!)
USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 11:52:57 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Subject: VIRUS ALERT - PLEASE ALL READ. Importance: High If anyone has ELFBOWLING.EXE or FROGGER.EXE or games with similar names, please DELETE ASAP. These games contain a Trojan virus that will activate on Christmas Day, wiping out all *.doc, *.xls, *.ppt, *.mdb documents. Cantor Fitzgerald on Wall Street have just been 2000 testing and hit upon this one. Please check with your IT Team if you are unsure on how to delete these games as some of you may have them as email attachments. Current Virus software is unable to detect it. Please be aware...
Lem Angeles
NY USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 11:42:48 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
That someone cares enough to fight against the evil in the world is evidence for the existence of God.

Oh really? How is that exactly?
J. S. Burke
USA - Wednesday, December 15, 1999 at 00:02:12 (EST) from 147.226.152.76


Oh my lack of god, could CNN, aka the Clinton News Network, be following the lead of Fox News!? Apparently they're trying to be "fair, balanced, and objective" in their coverage of the Clinton administration's calculated, coordinated, just in time for Campaign 2000 reignition of the "gays in the military" issue.

On two CNN Interactive pages, "Pentagon to review 'don't ask, don't tell' policy - December 13, 1999" and "Marine officer investigated for allegedly slurring gays in e-mail - December 14, 1999", in "RELATED SITES" at the bottom of each page, they've included links to my essay, "The Military's Ban Against Homosexuals Should Remain". This essay details how I went from being an "ally" to being a "homophobe" as a result of having not one, but two homosexual roommates when I was stationed in Germany while in the Army.

The first page has been up for not quite 24 hours, and my essay has gotten 103 direct hits from it. The second page has been up about 3 hours, and already my essay has gotten 114 direct hits from it! There's no telling how many hits I've gotten from people e-mailing the URL to their friends. Needless to say, I'm plumb tickled about the whole thing; it doesn't get any better than this for a webmaster!
--Matt Wallace, aka The Compleat Heretic (a conservative, Republican, traditionalist, pro-life, Army veteran, Secular Humanist atheist)

James Matthew Wallace <compleatheretic@yahoo.com>
Greensboro, NC USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 22:59:17 (EST) from pool-207-205-135-26.atln.grid.net
Ted.... whoa, whoa! I'm not going to go into details, but Melissa explained to a bunch of us on a web board long ago why she asks this question. I don't blame her for asking because of it, even if I don't agree where she has implied that she has placed the blame.
Sehlat
USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 15:40:46 (EST) from libbkr199.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
I love your page, Carolyn. I also find it interesting that people like Melissa want to blame God for the world being so evil and miserable at times, yet fail to see it's the total freedom of choice and "tolerance" that they constantly espouse as the real culprit. When folks take resposibility for the choices they make, and demand others to do the same, they will see how evil and suffering is often no accident.
Ted <toconnor@donet.com>
Centerville, OH USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 14:12:35 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Keep up the good work, Carolyn. Your conservative WEB sites are a breath of fresh air after exposure to the dull sameness and bias of the dominant media. I also enjoyed reading the hate mail sent to you; once again the Left displayed its ignorance and impotent fury when confronted by irrefutable logic and superior intell
Tom T. MD <RADS48@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 13:59:08 (EST) from bgm-47-237.stny.rr.com
Melissa - We don't (well, at least I know I don't!) know why things happen the way they do. I assume though, if we were able to understand it, we'd be God. As humans don't always understand or know why God does what He does because as humans, we have certain constraints on our comprehension and understanding of "the big picture." (THIS IS JUST MY OPINION!)
Carolyn
NJ USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 12:10:14 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Why is there evil in the world? Because humans have free will, and can choose whether to to do good or evil. That there is any social order or structure remaining in the world, and we continue to survive, is evidence that human good still outweighs evil, so far. That someone cares enough to fight against the evil in the world is evidence for the existence of God.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 12:02:49 (EST) from port-2-1.sei.one.net
Melissa the acts you speak of are man’s inhumanity to man. God is love, but we choose to base our worth on how much we are wanted, (abortion) based on that way of life Columbine happens. If love or God or virtue is a lie why indeed should we be good to each other? I know I am posing more questions to you but that’s exactly the way it should be – you should choose to either be selfish (the world is about what I want) or be that which you seem to want to be – a good person.
Lem Angeles
NY USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 11:44:36 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Why is there suffering? The answer is extremely long and complicated, but it begins with the first verse of the Bible. (Sorry for the essay.)

For starters, the world was not created as a place of suffering. It was originally perfect in every way. God created people for fellowship. He didn't want them to be robots, "loving" Him because they had to. Adam and Eve were created with a choice to love God or not love Him, because true love is a choice and cannot be forced.

Adam and Eve's sin, their disobedience of God's direct command, ended that perfection. Their sin got them kicked out of the Garden of Eden, of course, but it did not stop there. What they did not know (and what many people still don't know) was that their own sins did not affect only themselves.

First, they passed down their sin, their imperfection, their corruption on to their children. As often occurs, not only do children learn all too well the wrong things their parents do, they go even farther off track tham their parents did. Eventually, entire peoplegroups rejected God and even lost most of the knowledge they had of His existence (but not all... nearly every culture still retains a corrupted version of the flood story, and many also have creation stories retaining elements of the Garden of Eden account).

Second, one person's sin affects innocent people. In the place of truth, the peoplegroups had (and most individuals today have) their own ideas about right and wrong, many of which permitted racism, violence, sexism, brutality, etc. As a result, people are doing what they want and innocent people are paying the consequences. Faithful wives are abandoned by cheating husbands. Children are abused by parents who want everything their way. Wrong actions always harm innocent people as well as the guilty party... and usually the innocent are hurt worse than the guilty party.

The only solution came when God sent His only Son to die on the cross to pay for sin. Again, however, accepting Christ's sacrifice is a choice. God doesn't force Himself on anyone. Unfortunately, those who refuse to accept will continue their wrongdoing... but those who do accept Him will be changed. The wrongdoers will stop harming others, and those harmed can find healing.

In summary, suffering does not come from God. It comes from the consequences of man's own disobedience on himself and on the people he has wounded. Eventually everyone will face judgment for his/her actions. Every criminal, abuser, corrupt judge and politician, etc. will answer and receive what is coming. I wish it happened while we were still here so we could get some satisfaction from justice... but sometimes it really does have to wait. Why wait is one question I can't answer.
Sehlat
USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 10:47:54 (EST) from libbkr199.library.Vanderbilt.Edu


Okay, all you Christians -- while I don't share J.S. Burke's hostility toward your religious beliefs, I'm still searching for the answer to this question: If the Christian God is so merciful and loving, why is there so much suffering in the world? I see rich SOB's get away with murder, so-called religious leaders getting richer and richer, while little babies are thrown into garbage cans, or if they're little girls in India, set on fire or buried alive, 14 year old children of both sexes in developing countries are sold into brothels where they are forced to have sex with 10-12 men a day (of course, they don't last long, as HIV is rampant in many of these nations). . . the list goes on and on and breaks my heart. It's hard to believe that "God has a purpose" for everyone. How can anybody's purpose be to be born, suffer, and then die?
Melissa <m.tulin@usip.edu>
Phila, USA - Tuesday, December 14, 1999 at 09:53:55 (EST) from fw.usip.edu
Cspan ran a video of a 1978 Panama Canal debate featuring conservatism savior Ronal Reagan. To my surprise he was debating Bill Buckley and George Will – they were for letting Panama run it, Ron was against it. I could hardly believe my ears; Bill Buckley rambled that our national self esteem would benefit were as Ron was more interested in our national security. Here was Ron in yet another example of a man making up his mind about what was right for the country and not bowing to popular conventional wisdom. I wonder how Bill and George feel about it now with nuke smoking China getting the contract to run it and all. I became a conservative thanks to that man – a great president Ronald Reagan.
Lem Angeles
Pearl River , NY USA - Monday, December 13, 1999 at 17:30:31 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Donald: See? I told you that you'd hand me a platter of Xian BS. Your "wider world" is a mythical place called heaven whose existence is absurd.

I'm not a gnostic; but it's clear that you know little or nothing about them. If we lived a gnostic world, I'm betting there'd be fewer wars, less bigotry and less resistance to social evolution.
J. S. Burke
USA - Monday, December 13, 1999 at 16:22:39 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


http://AllCommunity.com/all.members/dualzone/
Susan
USA - Monday, December 13, 1999 at 14:03:02 (EST) from hdns01.hde.nl
J.S.Burke: Christianity is hardly a narrow world as it has opened up a whole new and broader world that mankind can only with great difficulty fathom. John 17:3 says, "And this is life eternal, that they [mankind] might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent." Ask your chimpanzee cousin if he understands even the pattern of such a statement, or its pantomine, and then ask yourself if you can best your cousin. Without the aforementioned divine creator and father, there is little to suggest a brotherhood of man other than pure and perfidious self-interest. When esoteric self-interest is clothed in a gnostic spirituality, there is too little evidence of genuine inclusion to create a trust in the broader humanity. Give something meaningful to the world, and you can expect a certain universality in return. It's probable your chimp cousin can't know Christ, and possible that you can't know Christ, but don't knock something you can't know or understand or accept. Just be glad you don't live in a world where everyone rejects Christ and accepts Gnosticism.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Sunday, December 12, 1999 at 23:45:45 (EST) from 207-172-139-205.s14.as12.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Just wanted 2 say, this site is cool, Ive never seen one like it, keep it up
joe <mrcrankybones@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, December 12, 1999 at 19:27:58 (EST) from spider-wj073.proxy.aol.com
Mike & Prolife: Show me that your religion is true. Somewhere along the way, you'll hand me a platter of Xian BS and eternal damnation stories. No thanks. Go preach to the Muslims; they're just as convinced about their rightness as you are, so maybe you'll annihilate one another in the process of interaction.

As for death...the only bad thing is that you'll never know you were wrong.
J. S. Burke
USA - Sunday, December 12, 1999 at 17:58:34 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


J.S.Burke: Your intellectuality will not help you at the time of death. If you're sincerely interested in investigating real spirituality, then you have to give up your mental masturbation, word jugglery, and intellectual snobbery. Why should God reveal Himself to someone who doesn't give a rip about Him? If you want to know the Absolute Truth, you have to approach Him with genuine humility and sincerity of heart. The problem with most intellectuals is they try to understand God with their mental prowess. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. God loves each of us unconditionally, whether we love Him or not, but He doesn't reveal Himself to the faithless.
Mike <sphi@hawaii.rr.com>
Honolulu, HI USA - Saturday, December 11, 1999 at 23:53:59 (EST) from a24b25n241client26.hawaii.rr.com
To JSB: I'm afraid you are the one who is easily fooled. Your pride won't allow you to see that there is someone greater than yourself. Spirituality is not to be found in ourselves; we are not divine. We are not gods or gods in the making. Your story is as old as time. Satan is still tricking people with that old line about becoming gods. You better take a good look at who you are serving before it's too late. The bible says if you deny Jesus before men He will deny you before his Father. Why don't you think with your heart for a change, He died for you too.
pro life
USA - Saturday, December 11, 1999 at 21:55:27 (EST) from JFCYB103-32.splitrock.net
Carolyn, thanks for the prolife vegetarian/vegan links. Anyone opposed to abortion has the right to call herself/himself prolife, whether she/he eats hummus and tofu (like me) or twenty hotdogs a day and wash them down with beef boullion. :) "Prolife" refers to a respect for human life, although it can certainly extend to animals as well.
Erin <padiddlecar@yahoo.com>
Olean, NY USA - Saturday, December 11, 1999 at 20:08:48 (EST) from sbu-d115-79.sbu.edu
I am doing a report for school Pro-life vs. Pro-choice. I am from a christian family and my father is the pastor and I was trying to see both sides but you have made me see there is only ONE side, pro life thank you
Juliette
Lakewood, wa USA - Saturday, December 11, 1999 at 17:38:39 (EST) from dial188.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net
Tell me, Donald, why spirituality must be found in humanity as whole for it to be of consequence? Can it not be an esoteric enterprise? Of course it can; the Gnostics have made that plain.

Your argument is based on a dubious assumption that for X to be of consequence, it must be universal--i.e., found in all of humanity. Clearly, this is not a very defensible position, unless you blindly accept orthodox Christianity and never peer beyond its narrow world.
J. S. Burke
USA - Saturday, December 11, 1999 at 15:48:20 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


J.S.Burke: Wrong again; spirituality is to be found in humanity as a whole, or else it is of no consequence. Your individualistic spirituality hardly reaches beyond yourself. Are you surprised at that? It would seem that atomism, like proctoscopy, offe rs too limited a view to offer more philosophical insight than the object in view.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Saturday, December 11, 1999 at 12:06:45 (EST) from 207-172-138-145.s18.as7.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Don: I only throw my intellectual weight around to those who think they have it all figured out. I freely admit to how little I actually know; there's no one on this planet who can answer the biggest and most important questions. My learning is as limited as everyone else's.

Why do I attack Xianity? Because it claims to answer the same questions that every other religion does, and it provides answers that are just as shallow and unknowable as the answers that the others provide. Spirituality is to be found in the person and not in mythical gods and saviors; those are traps for the easily fooled. I take it as a compliment that you believe there's something spiritually wrong with me.
J. S. Burke
USA - Saturday, December 11, 1999 at 00:19:32 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


I just wanted to say what a great site you have and I can not believe there are others out there that feel like I do. Keep up the good work.....
Mark Stewart <mstewart@gasou.edu>
Statesboro, Ga USA - Friday, December 10, 1999 at 20:58:12 (EST) from s11-pm01.statesboro.campuscwix.net
I have spent far too much time reading this stuff, but I have come to the ultimate conclusion that there is something spiritually, emotionally and intellectually wrong with whoever this J.S. Burke is. Mr. Burke, if you are reading, you are obviously educated (something you love to prove to everyone), but if that is where you end up with education, I would rather be maligned by you (apparently for your own pleasure) day and night. I am not looking for a response, since I don't believe the bantering would benefit anyone, but you would do well to stop your rebellion toward God, and have faith in his Son - Jesus. YOU WILL FIND PEACE. My Love. Don
Don <donaldb59>
Dearborn, Mi USA - Friday, December 10, 1999 at 16:14:28 (EST) from 209.186.147.6
Oops. That V4F link again. Compare this to C4M, which has no precedence Constitutionally, whereas the other *does* given adoption laws requiring prenatal interest to block post birth placement, *and* child support laws requiring concurrent or back assessed prenatal hospital, ultrasound, and birthing bills, covering time periods prebirth but establashing legal assumption of a fathers' interest in *prenatal* children are clear to family law. If only to retain future interest, hence, abortion denies him the right to set a precedent of prenatal interest of safeguard against post birth unilateral terminations. C4m usually fails because its not an adoption because 3rd parties dont adopt and the mothers rights arent terminated as well and he is not a sperm donor under contract, so he could force rights and attendent responsibilities under law from the situation unilaterally, post birth... V4F

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 10, 1999 at 15:56:50 (EST) from ip24.austin20.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


"Will one ever hear an end to women who shout, "It's a woman's body," and who fail to add, "and it's a man's wallet"? How should society--the courts, the legislatures, husbands, lovers--view women's claims for child support when the claim rests on no more than the product of a woman's individual, independent and autonomous choice?"

Donald: Disimiliar biology results in disparate outcomes. Hence, the truth about abortion is that this unfairness rests ON WOMEN HAVING UNILATERAL ABORTION. The solution is *not* to legislate "C4M":

C4M

but RATHER to not allow abortions period (best) or at least, if legal, require a signature from the child's father (or at least due process to deny consent for abortion from him:

V4F

In nature, women DIDNT originally have post conception choice beyond the sex act, but the laws are NOW expecting MEN to live under such rules. *That* is the real issue in this train of thought. The trouble is equal protection for men is being violated and excused by false qualifiers, i.e. lack of gestation means no choice. This is silly because logically, it would HAVE to work both ways, in that if men have no linear sequence rights, they cant have enduring/concurrent responsibility in a nonfascist type society thats Constitutional, but the child cannot be without support. The fallacy is in claiming dissimiliar situations but ALWAYS using those to favor the woman choosing in a 2 person baby and impregnation. If women are dissimiliarly situated, so are men. But by acting first, women are setting up a legal cornering for men so that they cannot expect legal approval of equivalency rights in terminations. This is *because* of abortion, not in spite of. Men, without the applecart being upset by abortion, could argue that logically and morally in a *VACCUUM* that *IF* women didnt have to pay, they shouldnt, that if women alone due to gestating had sole votes, then men are free to impregnate AT WILL and walk, because whether or not a child exits the body requiring support is only HER choice, having nothing to do with his contribution or not, because she makes the LAST choice in the chain of causation. But in reality, Donald, the paradox is and was created by abortion, you get rid of that and men have 50% of the votes, women retain motherhood choice, just not termination fringe benefits, men keep fatherhood, and so the laws parallel adoption, instead of ONE PARTY having 100% of them. Nothing was "broke" UNTIL Roe...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 10, 1999 at 15:45:57 (EST) from ip24.austin20.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


We are Pro-Life we don't want to kill anyone we just want to take over the planet. Oh and Marvin we are turning you over to the Borg at sunrise!
Pinky and The Brain
No Country but we are planning to take over the planet! - Friday, December 10, 1999 at 02:56:12 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Thanks Heather. You know I think this issue is personal, I find abortion abhorrent, but that’s all the more reason not let my opponent off easy, trading insults. I am hopeful however because the insults could be an internal struggle to accommodate the illogic of allowing (maybe wishing – see Hassan below) something against others that one does not want for oneself, namely to be killed. If its true that the American dream is in its BECOMING, I hold that abortion on demand is the killing of that dream. I don’t mean to rant but notice how more horrific leaps are asked - partial birth abortion - again, this is in effect to accommodate the unimaginable, the horrible, in odder to make it common place. I stop short of saying this is knowingly and premeditated. Maybe they do not know what they do.
Lem Angeles
Peral River , NY USA - Thursday, December 09, 1999 at 16:38:50 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
She was just a women. She was vunerable and made mistakes. She's not a saint. She wasn't *THAT* special.
Leisure Suit Larry <LarryLafter@Hotmail.COM>
UK - Thursday, December 09, 1999 at 16:21:06 (EST) from host62-172-219-61.btinternet.com
I agree wholeheartedly, Lem. Name calling and insults are one of the most effective ways to get your opponent to tune you out.
Heather
CA USA - Thursday, December 09, 1999 at 14:07:47 (EST) from curly.compuall.net
Will one ever hear an end to women who shout, "It's a woman's body," and who fail to add, "and it's a man's wallet"? How should society--the courts, the legislatures, husbands, lovers--view women's claims for child support when the claim rests on no more than the product of a woman's individual, independent and autonomous choice? Sometimes I have trouble understanding how Americans can spend 13 or more years in schools supported by my tax money and then end up proclaiming the most bizarre and selfish things. Some of your guests might be embarrassed to say the things they say if ignorance did not come with its own peculiar genius plus a Supreme Court and Constitutional mandate.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Thursday, December 09, 1999 at 14:02:46 (EST) from 207-172-138-123.s60.as6.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Jess, Emerald doesn't sleep around. In fact she clearly states that she is a virgin. If u want to sound off at someone u could at least have the decency to read what they say. Don't be so judgemental... I made that mistake. This isn't a site designed to judge. sharon
sharon <s.hutt@dundee.ac.uk>
USA - Thursday, December 09, 1999 at 11:04:19 (EST) from C4-B6.public.dundee.ac.uk
Jerry a full-proof way to relegate your position to marginalia is to insult your opponent. You loose debate points. Don’t misunderstand, your pro-choice position is wrong, but you may be a decent person who is just uninformed.
Lem Angeles
Pearl River, NY USA - Thursday, December 09, 1999 at 10:39:02 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
"only vegans have the right to be pro-life" -ángela you really are stupid. it's not a person, so it dosen't have the same rights we have. it's a womans body AND child and she has the right to do what she wants. yr and idiot for posting this essay!
jerri <emogirl@gvsb.zzn.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 08, 1999 at 20:18:14 (EST) from du47075.con.ptd.net
Response
Emerald, i think you are a very selfish person. Don't go around sleeping with others if you don't want to become pregnant!! You know it's not the babys fault when you do become pregnant. A baby IS a living person just like you and me. Did you know that by the time you find out you are pregnant the heart is already beating. THAT IS SOMETHING LIVING INSIDE OF YOU THAT YOU ARE KILLING. And to say that you don't have the time or whatever for a baby... that is just selfish.
jess <sica5@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 08, 1999 at 14:12:38 (EST) from packcache.exp.net
What a big disappointment that women are so downtrodden in the place where the feminist movement started. You export this to all other countries, and now I think it is a fraud. So many women here seem more like helpless slaves than women in other countries even where their rights are not recognized.
Emerald Skye and Wendy say that women have no power over themselves. They are writing as if your women are raped all the time-- 'can't stop the sex' no matter what. It is always some thing they do not control. What is it? Rape? Or too desperate to get a man's attention?
How much rape is there? Don't you put those rapist men in jail? Or are they too attractive and exciting?
Respect is not free. Do women who want to act like slaves deserve respect?

Kofuyu
USA - Wednesday, December 08, 1999 at 10:32:07 (EST) from dialup-63.210.229.135.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
Kofuyu whats the big deal picking on Emerald, she has her opinion, her own opinion and put it across in a polite and non offensive way...back off her. Carolyn allows people to have their own opinions and treats everyone with respect. You haven't. sharon (with respect.)
sharon <s.hutt@dundee.ac.uk>
USA - Wednesday, December 08, 1999 at 08:23:06 (EST) from C4-C2.public.dundee.ac.uk
Debate question: Is Marvin the Martian a feminist? If so, is he a pro-life feminist? Support your theses with quotes and events from Marvin cartoons.
J. S. Burke
USA - Wednesday, December 08, 1999 at 01:44:13 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
He isn't pro-life. He wants to blow up the whole earth! I am working on him though. Martians don't understand yet that killing earthlings is wrong ;-)
To Melissa, I am not the only one that needs help you know nothing about me. To Emeraldskye, good luck to you I feel you have the right to make your own decisions when it comed to you body.. To Kofuyu, Sex is going to happen no matter what people try do to to stop it that is why I feel we should make birth control easier to get. To Carolyn, Peace to you :
Wendy <H2574@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 07, 1999 at 20:14:59 (EST) from spider-wl052.proxy.aol.com
Every-body please tune in tonight to FOX NEWS Henetty & Comes - They will feature a 1992 video of a Hilary Clinton's unexpected encounter with a homeless man. The sound bite I heard is dinamite.
Lem Angeles
Pearl River, NY USA - Tuesday, December 07, 1999 at 17:03:10 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Italicized words from Emerald Skye: My, what an interesting guestbook. I came here to say, I'm pro-choice while my older sister is pro-life. I'm still a virgin through personal choice, and she has a one-year-old little boy Dillon that our whole family adores. I am 18, 19 next march...................... My sister is lucky. I could not make that kind of descicion. If by some cruel trick of fate, I am overcome with the desire to have sex, and that results in me being pregnant, I'm having an abortion. I do not have the time, money, or the slightest inclination to deal with a pregnancy, much less the resulting baby. If you remain a virgin (by choice????) you do not have to worry about having an abortion, so why bother ?? You think that you may not have control over sexual desire? Maybe you are not a virgin by choice. Maybe the next man who comes near is in danger of attack. My friend from KY says, "trip him and beat him to the ground". Funny expression.
If you really were choosing to be a virgin, your abortion dilemma would be solved. You would spare yourself the hardship that your sister has. Abortion is not so much cheaper than pregnancy. Here you can get adopting parents to pay all of the money if you have the baby.

Kofuyu
USA - Tuesday, December 07, 1999 at 15:22:26 (EST) from dialup-63.210.231.211.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
A Happy and Blessed Christmas Season to Carolyn and to her friends and loved ones. To all the rest out there in this wide, wide world: A Blessed Holy Day or a Happy Holliday, whichever you prefer, or both. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Matthew 5:9)
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Tuesday, December 07, 1999 at 15:15:40 (EST) from 207-172-137-17.s17.as1.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
To quote funny Dennis Miller – "I don’t want to get on a rant but" how can pro-choice, decent people in good conscience fight against Florida’s initiative to raise money to promote adoption via vanity plates. You know – the way we go about saving the zoo whales, No religion involved, No taxes, completely voluntary. Is adoption a less acceptable choice to abortion? Could it be that the words "I am pro life" on a license plate may help a woman to choose life over abortion? Apparently pro-choice can’t survive free speech.
Lem Angeles
Pearl River, NY USA - Tuesday, December 07, 1999 at 12:00:11 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
To JSB: While you are quietly hanging back thinking over your views other people are out taking action for what they believe in. I mean, if everyone had your attitude women still wouldn't be allowed to vote and black people would still be forced to sit in the back of the bus. There are some very militant pro life people but the majority of us are just regular people who believe in something strongly enough that we speak up about it. What do you believe in? From the sounds of it you don't believe in much of anything except arguing with people over everything and nothing? Also why do you keep hanging around this guestbook? You are not going to change anyones views. Pro life people aren't going to suddenly become pro death!
pro life
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 19:57:59 (EST) from JFCYB102-16.splitrock.net
I can understand your veiwpoints as a "pro-life feminist," since I came to your site looking for information in writing a term paper about how female birth control contributes to the sexual objectification of women. the Pill was supported in it's developement by women who believed women could never be truly liberated until they could control their own fertility. While it has in many respects served to only "save" women from men's sexuality or subject them to it, while continuing to supress their own, to some extent when attempting massive social change (the dissolution of patriarchy as a valid world-view), it the thought (political movement) that counts. Though I may believe that the Pill contributes to the sexual objectification of women, I think we would be in a very bad situation without it. I think the same is true of abortion, it's legality must be treated as a step in the right direction, even if it has some negative consequences. Do we want to move forward into an era where women can make informed choices about their fertility, where over population is no longer a problem because every person currently on this planet understands the responsibility of bringing a child into this world? Or do we want to take a jump back to back alley abortions, and the world of "father knows best"? Social change can't happen all at once, women have been oppressed for thousands of years, and any steps in a positive direction are steps that must be made. Don't try to deny so many women a choice that may save their lives (in a literal or figurative sense) in order to make your point now. I hope you're doing more for positive change than spending all your time on the web.
writer
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 19:18:26 (EST) from 198.28.57.112
Response
My, what an interesting guestbook.
I came here to say, I'm pro-choice while my older sister is pro-life.
I'm still a virgin through personal choice, and she has a one-year-old little boy Dillon that our whole family adores.
I am 18, 19 next march. My sister just turned 21 in november while Dillon turned one a few days over two months before that.
We both still live at home with both of our parents and our younger brother. We both started attending the local community college with intentions of moving on to a four-year university.
The difference between us:
I'm still in college, in my third semester in fact. My sister, she dropped out of college. I have a steady weekend job at the local walmart to earn money for car insurance, text-books, savings, and spending money. My sister jumps around from job to job trying to find one that will pay her enough money to support Dillon's daycare bills. I have money saved in the bank. She has debt-collectors at her heals. If I took a full-time job, I could move into an apartment with a friend and we could support ourselves. My sister is in a full time job; if she lived away from home she would be on welfare because she does not earn enough to support herself, let alone a fast-growing one-year-old boy.
I'm not saying her descision of being pro-life is wrong; Dillon is a beautiful child and I'm glad I have the expirience of seeing him grow from a new-born to a one-year-old, and hope that I'll continue with that expirience. But it taught me something. My family is very loving and tolerant. We all help take care of Dillon because we CAN. We have the resources available to care for him. We had the resources to help my sister come to the descision to keep Dillon with her, go through with the pregnancy and labor, not give him up for adoption.
My sister is lucky. I could not make that kind of descicion. If by some cruel trick of fate, I am overcome with the desire to have sex, and that results in me being pregnant, I'm having an abortion. I do not have the time, money, or the slightest inclination to deal with a pregnancy, much less the resulting baby.
My maternal instinct is restricted to other people's children. It's nice being able to hand them back to their parents.
One needs to learn to adequately care for one's self before one takes on the responsibility of caring for another; that includes pregnancy as the unborn's health is completely dependent on the way one treats one's self.
If there were some way in which the pregnancy could be transferred to another woman, thereby saving me the unwanted imposition in my life, I'd take that course of action. Until there is that option, I'm all for abortion.
Here ends my long-winded opinion/story.

~emeraldskye~

emeraldskye <emeraldskye@hotmail.com>
MD USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 18:37:47 (EST) from dhcp34-63.carroll.cc.md.us
I stumbled on your site purely by accident, not sure how. I surfed through it and it looks pretty cool. Not sure I agree with your views but I do not get into debate on certain topics. Especially liked the pictures page, from the looks of things, you are pretty damn hot!. Noticed you are a web designer, I am a graphic designer/medical illustrator I am also into web design. Good Luck, Doug
Doug <DUG@uic.edu>
peoria, il USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 17:56:35 (EST) from MACDES3.UICOMP.UIC.EDU
<insidejoke> comes from the same place as the 'beads'?
Kofuyu
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 17:52:22 (EST) from dialup-63.210.229.135.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
Hassan I dont think you really beleave that.
Lem angeles
Pearl River, NY USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 17:45:45 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Not only do i think that there should be FAR more abortions performed, but i think that Parents should have the option to euthanize their children before the age of 6 months. Life is cheap, food is expensive.
Hassan
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 17:06:34 (EST) from 216-100-234-158.athenian.org
Justjerk: Yeah, your idea of religion sounds like something you'd get on your shoes walking too close behind a sick camel. I could tell you that God loves you as a sinner, but so does the Devil. When the judge gets ahold of your case, maybe he can decide how much brain damage Jesus has inspired you to suffer for his sake.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 15:36:43 (EST) from 207-172-137-45.s45.as1.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
No, HP, it's just honest to make clear that one doesn't have all the answers and that one's answers may not be final. Your brand of dogmatic extremism is self-evidently silly.
J. S. Burke
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 15:32:57 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
<insidejoke>

Humans to the age of 5 are completely irrational and therefore not persons. However, they do have the potential to _become_ persons through frequent use of noxious chemicals and cattle-prods.

</insidejoke>
J. S. Burke
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 14:21:57 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


M: You're right; taking pot-shots at religion is worthless intellectually; it's part of my Drunk's Bar persona spilling over into here (I tend to attack religion philosophically instead, but haven't had the desire to of late.)
J. S. Burke
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 14:19:14 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
To be a conservative annoyed at the main stream press is par for the course. But to accept it, as Hillary accepts Bill, is in my opinion un-American. For those of you who agree, help me seek some ammunition. I will be Rather easy on them. Compare the liberal press interest in banning guns as opposed to partial birth abortions. How many stories over the past 5 years have 48 hours, Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, PBS Frontline, Nightline, PBS News Hour (primetime free TV) done on partial birth abortion and how many stories on guns, assault weapons etc.? The stories need not be objective”. There must be a log somewhere keeping score, if not lets start one. I bet the stories on partial birth abortion could be counted on Peter Jennings left hand fingers.
Lem Angeles
Pearl River , NY USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 14:09:26 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
It's supposed to be "intellectual" to never make your mind up on an issue. That's one excuse for remaining moderate on any given topic. The other excuse is that you just want to be loved by everyone. "I'm OK, You're OK." hehe. Ya think it is working???
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 13:36:10 (EST) from port-3-15.sei.one.net
I am trying to refrain from using poor Carolyn's guestbook as a debate board, but I can't resist:
1. To J. S. Burke: Why do you feel it's necessary to trash the religious beliefs of others? I'm not a Christian either, and consider myself an agnostic, but I think there's some good aspects to religion. For example most of the early hospitals, orphanages, etc. in the western world were started by Christian and other religious groups. Trying to push people's buttons by making statements that are sure to offend is adolescent and unbecoming of the intelligent person you claim to be.
2. To Dina: Nobody is more "pro-choice" than pornographers such as Hugh Hefner, Bob Guccione, and Larry Flynt, who once had a photo of a naked woman's body being fed into a meat grinder on the cover of his slimeball magazine. Are you really trying to tell me that they're pro-woman? Uh, yes, I forgot Bill Clinton, the rapist in chief -- he really has a great deal of respect for women, including his wife.
3. Wendy, honey, you have a problem. Get help.

Melissa
Phila, PA USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 11:07:55 (EST) from fw.usip.edu
Your last post is a complete lie, Wendy, and you know it.

  1. If you didn't hate Carolyn, or at least have some obsession about her, you wouldn't be coming here month after month after month posting a lot of lying garbage in the guestbook.
  2. If you aren't stalking/harassing her, you aren't making your case by bragging about how easy it is for you to find her.
Your obsession and bitter hatred, especially toward someone who does not deserve it, is sick and wrong. There is help, and you need it. I don't toss that around lightly. There are crisis lines and mental health professionals listed in your local phone book. Contact them and get past your anger before it kills you. Being right-to-life isn't only about the babies; it's also about encouraging the born to get help that could save their lives. Get help ASAP.

Sehlat
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 10:09:01 (EST) from libbkr166.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Pro life: Most people are neither militant PC or PL; they're moderates. Moderates like myself don't tend to attend wild, dogmatic rallies and chant and wave signs; instead, we quietly hang back and think over our views, revise them and adequately justify them.
J. S. Burke
USA - Monday, December 06, 1999 at 01:19:31 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Meeeeeeeow! Meow meow meow! Meeeeeeowowowow! *purrrrrr* Meow!
Big Foot
Huntsville, AL USA - Sunday, December 05, 1999 at 20:56:09 (EST) from gw2-210.dynetics.com
Heya, Dina, I suppose it's pro-woman to obfuscate, and give women false information about their reproductive choices as is done by the marketers of abortion, be it surgical or chemical. Of interest is the historical 'bort cover up of the nature of the human fetus, and the denials about the mechanisms of hormonal B.C, (and while we are at it--the rate at which condoms fail to prevent STD transmission). If the borts were truly pro woman, they would not object so strenuously to measures that allow women time and information to make an informed choice. Of course we know that tends to hurt sales......
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Sunday, December 05, 1999 at 16:18:16 (EST) from port-2-28.sei.one.net
Very nice layout. Easy to get around. I like your work.
Tom <KiMo_Man@hotmail.com>
Korea - Sunday, December 05, 1999 at 08:04:01 (EST) from 160.135.45.48
Dumbwald: Get religion? Had it, got rid of it, never looked back. It's mankind's greatest mind-trap. I'd rather get brain damage than Jesus.
J. S. Burke
USA - Sunday, December 05, 1999 at 01:43:27 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
To Wendy: You are not speaking for women in general. You certainly are not speaking for me! It has been my experience that the majority of people are pro life. At a rally I attended recently there were 3,000 pro lifers on one side of the building and a paltry 100 pro deathers on the other side. This leads me to believe there are a LOT more of us than there are of you, or else they were too ashamed to show their faces in public, which I can't say I blame them. Also at my job the majority of people are pro life. There was one pro deather and she was hateful too. Of course she doesn't work there anymore.....You may be alarmed to find out the the abortion rate is actually dropping so perhaps sites like this one may be doing some good. Hope I didn't ruin your day with that optimistic bit of info.
pro life
USA - Saturday, December 04, 1999 at 19:25:18 (EST) from JFCYB102-12.splitrock.net
I disagree with the argument that abortion should be legal to save women from dying or being maimed from illegal abortion. This is not to say I do not have sympathy for any woman aborting, because I pray for them daily and for those who counsel post-abortive women. Abortion is a voluntary operation. As people pointed out here, it has killed women when performed illegally and legally, and maybe it simply is not as safe as we previously thought it was. Liposuction, though done for a different reason, is also a voluntary operation. It has killed 9 French women and possibly dozens of American women. If liposuction was outlawed, there probably would be women and men going to "back alley" liposuction clinics, and some of them would be injured or die. However, if liposuction is dangerous, it would not be right to keep the legal clinics open. It would be best to close ALL the clinics, start public education programs against back alley clinics, and actively seek out and prosecute back alley clinics. This way, nobody would turn their back on those who might seek illegal operations. I'm aware this isn't a perfect analogy, because a woman seeking an abortion obviously has far different thoughts on her mind than a woman or man seeking liposuction. But keep in mind that the women who die from abortions often have another cause of death listed on the death certificate than "abortion," so we do not truly know the number of women who have died from legal abortion.
Erin
Olean, NY USA - Saturday, December 04, 1999 at 16:52:48 (EST) from sbu-d115-79.sbu.edu
Dina how is being pro-life Anti-woman?
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Saturday, December 04, 1999 at 14:24:33 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Hey Carolyn looks like Wendy is off her medication again. Someone ought to inform her shrink!
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Saturday, December 04, 1999 at 14:22:11 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
I don't particularly agree with much on this site, especially the anti-choice rhetoric (which is automatically anti-woman) but people like H2574 makes pro-choice, pro-woman people look bad with her immature ramblings. Whoever you are, I suggest you cut it out, and perhaps think about taking some English classes. I usually attribute such nonsense to the anti-choicers.
Dina
MD USA - Saturday, December 04, 1999 at 10:28:20 (EST) from spider-tk011.proxy.aol.com
Please, Just remember Princess Diana and look up at the skys and thank God that we had her as long as we did. There will never be another Diana, Princes of Wales. Bonnie
Bonnie Nelson <bmn.5772@gateway.net>
Arcadia, CA USA - Saturday, December 04, 1999 at 02:50:19 (EST) from 1Cust35.tnt17.lax3.da.uu.net
Fist of all if I wanted to bother Carolyn I would find you her home phone Number and her business phone and I would try to make contact with her. I mean my gosh she has made it sooo easy for me to do that I mean I know what she looks like, I know what her job is I know sooooo much about her and she knows nothing about me. She is not worth me hateing her, and she is not worth stalking. I have no feeling what so ever when it comes to her. I am speeking for women in general, To tell you the truth I do not care is she writes back to me or not. I have noticed every time I make a good point she will not respond to it. Excuse me I do not know HTML remember I am human unlike the all m
Wendy <H2574@aol.com>
USA - Saturday, December 04, 1999 at 01:44:06 (EST) from spider-tp062.proxy.aol.com
Every time you make a good point I don't respond? Did you not read my response?
Uh oh...looks like Marvin the Martian bagged another Mars probe. The people at JPL cannot find the Mars Polar Lander. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed in that they will find the spacecraft.
Gary
El Paso, Tx USA - Friday, December 03, 1999 at 22:12:58 (EST) from dt02q2n3f.elp.rr.com
Susan: the perceived importance of any given right isn't absolute; it's contextual, and depends in a large part on circumstances: at T and in situation X, we may value Y more than Z; at T[2] and X[2], we may value Z over Y.

And yes, life is a necessary condition for freedom or privacy; however, without freedom or privacy, life may lose importance--to use a Revolution cliche: "Give me liberty or give me death." Sometimes, we do feel this way, and we're willing to hold freedom/privacy over life because we can't value life without freedom or privacy.
J. S. Burke
USA - Friday, December 03, 1999 at 20:40:40 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


Justjerk: Your smarmy preachments seem best understood after you further clarify your intent. But it's hardly necessary to waste your bookish intent trying to show that life is not an absolute. Duh. I don't want to be impolite, but life, liberty, and the pursuit of blessedness are eternals (absolutes?) once one gets beyond the narrow, selfish, egotistical, uncaring, narcissistic relativist dogma about whether one individual should take away another individual's life, liberty and pursuit of blessedness for no more than personal gain. What is the difference between the soldier who sacrifices his life for his country and the mother who gives her life for her child, not to be killed by the child, but to care for it? Both make sacrifices for the sake of eternal absolutes--the humanity of mankind. Get religion, Burke, it'll help you understand a lot more about philosophy.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Friday, December 03, 1999 at 20:39:23 (EST) from 207-172-138-177.s50.as7.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Wendy:

First, if you can't use HTML to make your quotations and responses easier to read, DON'T QUOTE!

Second, I don't know what you think you are trying to prove, but every post you make only proves the following things:

  1. You hate Carolyn with an undying passion. Otheriwse you would have forgotten about this site months ago.
  2. You are obsessed with harassing Carolyn. Most people who see a site they don't like either leave quietly, or they say their two bits and move on. You keep coming back and coming back.
  3. You need help. All this anger and hatred expressed towards Carolyn is not good for you, and this obsession with coming back to the site over and over is not healthy.

Sehlat
USA - Friday, December 03, 1999 at 12:45:38 (EST) from libbkr166.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Ok, J.Burke, I guess I didn't make my case clearly enough. I apologize. My original question did refer to "an individual's right to privacy" vs. "another's right to life." So, I was referring to that question when I addressed an individual soldier's motivation for killing. However, I also addressed this issue as it pertains to society at large, hence your statement about a society being motivated to kill by a need to preserve its freedom and privacy. Is the right of society's population to live then secondary to its right to freedom/privacy? How can freedom be more important than life? Don't we need life in order to have freedom? Hmmm, I think I'll continue this in Mike's debate forum. Haven't been there in awhile. Carolyn's guestbook isn't a debate board -- I have to keep reminding myself of that!
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
LodiCA, CA USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 23:28:36 (EST) from ppp-173-47.lodinet.com
To Carolyn, Hello Wendy I feel that if a women is going to have a child and is against Adoption, even is she knows she can not support the kid If abortion is illegal she will keep it and the child will be unwhanted. What evidence do you base this on? Does this mean that you feel women are so inept that they are unable to handle a pregnancy unless it is perfectly planned? Carolyn, Not everyone can handle a baby. How about if they are 16 years old themselves and they have parents who abuse them . Are you goint to tell a scared, 16 year ald teen that she has to have the baby. Even if that ment her parents would kick her out and she had no way of supporting herself? You will find nothing worse then a unwanted child A child may be unwanted by the mother, but the child is not unwanted by others. (ok so you are telling me that someone else will support it. Ok would you????) NOTHING is worse than an unwanted child?! So, murderers and rapist who were WANTED children are better than uwanted children?! If unwanted children are better off dead, what happens if the mother doesn't want the child AFTER she gives birth? <- This is when adoption comes in! and that is what will happen if abotion is illgeal. If the goverment said it was killing a child then why did they make it legal?????????????? The Supreme Court made an erroneous decision by deciding that there was an implied right to privacy in the Constitution, which overrode a human's right to life. In other words, privacy is more important than life, in the eyes of the court. I hate to tell you this but this has nothing to to with killing. I never sat down and figured tou if it was killing or not. It could be but on the other hand it might not be. All we are trying to do is make Health care safe. Prevent back alley abortions now you call yourself pro-life but imagine this, you know a young girl who is in trouble and abortion is illegal. So she has a back alley abortion aka COAT HANGER abortion then she dies because of it. Remember, abortion is illgegal do you still consider you self pro-life a young girl died. Yes a few die of legal abortions... and that is sad and I feel for them but more will die of illegal abortions. One more thing for you I will not give out my real name on the internet, I will also not give out pictures of my self so if I want to use a fake name who cares. Don't you worry about people finding you? Does that concern you? "Wendy" Carolyn USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 15:24:37 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net ------------
Wendy <H2574@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 22:04:38 (EST) from spider-te053.proxy.aol.com
Response
As a former "imperfect" fetus, I oppose abortion. I am grateful that before I was born, tests were not available that would have told my parents that their child would have Tourette Syndrome, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, and possible depression, or that her life would be "difficult" because of these disorders. Fortunately, my parents are pro-life and they would have had me even if they had known this. My heart mourns the "genetic culling" of the unborn that goes on today. Sadly, society has convinced many parents that babies with such disorders are inferior to "perfect" ones. Once prenatal tests are accurate enough, I fear that parents who do choose life for babies with Tourette's will be accused of "cruelty" for allowing such children to live. Thank you Mom and Dad for giving me a chance.
Erin
Olean, NY USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 20:14:57 (EST) from sbu-d115-79.sbu.edu
We suffer from too many Russian Armenians around here, oh yes add to your ring this site: bitchaboutit.com A-Z, esp Government, Taxes etc. Ive vented about 20X since being online. I dubb Glendale CA: Armeniandale, or Gulagdale, Time to leave CA.
stephen russell <steventure@yahoo.com>
Glendale, CA USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 14:33:48 (EST) from 1Cust207.tnt3.lax1.da.uu.net
Gosh Carolyn, even I don't use Front Page! :) In the spirit of silly nude pictures, Nude Man Carrot is not to be missed.
Kelley <gazelle_sunday@unbounded.com>
Potsdam, NY USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 14:23:52 (EST) from comp10147.potsdam.edu
Dumbwald: You made the same analytical error (big surprise) as Susan: I was speaking of the security of the collective vs. the draftees sent to die and the enemies who die. The POV of the grunt isn't the point.

The example was to show that the right to life is not always valued above everything else--sometimes, other values take precedence. My intent wasn't to show that this makes abortion permissible, only that life isn't an absolute; so, the only pitiful and pathetic thing is your gross assumption of my intent. (But if someone wanted to compare pregnancy to war, and the fetus to an enemy, could you offer a good argument against that?)
J. S. Burke
USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 14:11:46 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


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James <rightwinger007@aol.com>
Orange, CA USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 13:09:54 (EST) from access-50-171.ixpres.com
Susan: My example didn't center on the individual motivations of the soldiers (some may fight to stay alive, some to die, others for glory, others for the thrill of killing, etc.); it didn't center on motivation at all, but on priorities. As a nation of people, when we draft people and send them to war, we're putting our national interests (freedom, autonomy, privacy, cheap oil) above the "right to life" of the draftees and and above the lives of the enemy soldiers.

You can switch POVs and get different conclusions, but that's not the point; the point is that in some cases, e.g., war, we as a collective are willing to value freedom/autonomy/privacy over life.
J. S. Burke
USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 13:02:04 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


Burke: A draftee in wartime clearly ends up with his/her/its freedom and autonomy (privacy?) and life all on the same side of the value equation. You seem to be trying to contrast the privacy of a mother to the life of her/his/its child and use a wartime situation where, I suppose we are to conclude, that the mother is at war with her child--the enemy. Pitiful. Pathetic. Sorry. Burke, after over 30 years of such drivel by pro-aborts, must you drone on like this?
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 12:27:56 (EST) from 207-172-137-68.s5.as2.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Get ready Marvin, there is another space craft headed your way to Mars. It's only a warning. Don't shoot this one down. I want to see what a different part of Mars looks like.
Gary
El Paso , Tx USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 02:56:59 (EST) from dt02q2n3f.elp.rr.com
I think there is going to be a problem when it gets to the year 2000. First of all martial law will be on us for a long time and second the utilities will be shut off from us indefintely. I have plans to move to another country. I don't like it but face reality.Don't look for any solutions any time in the near future in Seattle. It is the just the start of this country falling apart.
Gary
El Paso, Tx USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 02:49:33 (EST) from dt02q2n3f.elp.rr.com
JSB: On a large scale, wars are fought to defend the freedom of nations. However, deaths occur not because of the ideal of freedom, but because of the soldiers' desire to survive. The individual soldiers fight to defend their lives, lest they be killed. So, the right to life is not excluded from the picture where war is concerned. From the soldier's perspective, it takes precedence over the right to the privacy. It is their motivation to kill in the trenches.
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Thursday, December 02, 1999 at 02:04:59 (EST) from ppp-173-9.lodinet.com
Susan: there are a number of reasons for China's overpopulation, but none of them involve the Chinese valuing life over privacy, as you suggest. And, even if they did value life over privacy, what follows? Not that life is more important than privacy--that could merely be relative to the Chinese culture. No, if you're going to defend life over privacy, you'll require more sophistcated arguments with fewer variables.

I have no desire to defend privacy over life--I merely suggested it; but I can think of a very good example where freedom and autonomy (related to privacy) are valued over life: in war. We draft from our population during war and send men to fight and die so as to help preserve freedom. This is a clear case of freedom/autonomy being valued over life--the lives of our soldiers, _and_ those on the other side, since we gladly kill them on the battlefield. Life is important, but it may not always take preedence.
J. S. Burke
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 23:53:09 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


O.K., I'm giving in to the temptation to debate again. Sorry Carolyn! Question for JSB: Please give some examples in which one individual's "right to privacy" would overrule another's right to life. IMHO, privacy is to be cherished, but if it were more important to humans than life itself, places like China wouldn't have such large populations -- many of which include people who have spent their lives with little privacy. (It's probably awful to live that way, but one CAN live that way.)
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 22:39:52 (EST) from ppp-173-47.lodinet.com
I will tell you this. I am adamently pro-choice, and I am also pro-woman. (Have to get that out of the way). While I disagree with your pro-life stance, I can see why you make it (there are legitimate arguments on both sides. Am not big on mudslinging myself). I, like most other pro-choicers, would like to see the need for abortion abolished. One problem that I have with many pro-lifers (although not all) is that these are the same people who don't want to talk about sex, and don't want to educate... They don't want teens getting birth control and condoms, etc... They don't even want to TELL teens about them! I think this is where 'both sides' need to come together- we need to fight the need for abortion and make every pregnancy a wanted pregnancy.
Monika Penner <shermanvolvo@yahoo.com>
BC Canada - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 20:25:06 (EST) from px1.ok.wave.shaw.ca
In other words, privacy is more important than life, in the eyes of the court.

Life without privacy or freedom is pretty dismal. I think an applied ethics case could be made that protection of privacy in some cases is paramount. It seems at once that a right to life is the most important right of all; but this may not necessarily be so.
J. S. Burke
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 16:27:51 (EST) from 147.226.152.153


Hello Wendy/SaturnNSun,
I feel that if a women is going to have a child and is against Adoption, even is she knows she can not support the kid If abortion is illegal she will keep it and the child will be unwhanted.

What evidence do you base this on? Does this mean that you feel women are so inept that they are unable to handle a pregnancy unless it is perfectly planned?

You will find nothing worse then a unwanted child

A child may be unwanted by the mother, but the child is not unwanted by others. NOTHING is worse than an unwanted child?! So, murderers and rapist who were WANTED children are better than uwanted children?! If unwanted children are better off dead, what happens if the mother doesn't want the child AFTER she gives birth?

and that is what will happen if abotion is illgeal. If the goverment said it was killing a child then why did they make it legal??????????????

The Supreme Court made an erroneous decision by deciding that there was an implied right to privacy in the Constitution, which overrode a human's right to life. In other words, privacy is more important than life, in the eyes of the court.

Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 15:24:37 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
I feel that if a women is going to have a child and is against Adoption, even is she knows she can not support the kid If abortion is illegal she will keep it and the child will be unwhanted. You will find nothing worse then a unwanted child and that is what will happen if abotion is illgeal. If the goverment said it was killing a child then why did they make it legal??????????????
Wendy <H2574@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 15:00:34 (EST) from spider-we033.proxy.aol.com
This is a grate homepage!!I LOVE IT!!
Annica Lindholm <Crazy_love15@hotmail.com>
Ingå, Finland - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 14:15:45 (EST) from kapy-out.kakku.saunalahti.fi
To all my wonderful guestbook visitors: remember to check out the other areas of my web site too ;)
The Marvin guestbook will ready shortly.
No kitty -- it's my pot pie!

Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 13:11:05 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
There is a professional "truth seeker" here. \^o^/. He assures himself a perpetual career by claiming that scientific truth cannot be known definitively. But the crucial question remains.... Is he good enough at producing words to guarantee himself an income??? Will he, with his winning personality, be able to induce others to support his unattainable quest?
Makabe
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 13:07:31 (EST) from dialup-63.210.227.213.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
Dumbwald: You completely missed the thrusts of all the arguments I made. You argue abortion about as badly as you do your religion.
J. S. Burke
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 13:06:49 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Gosh, this guestbook loads quickly!
Me.
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 13:03:26 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Burke & PLM: Knock it off!! Enlightenment or not, the dichotomy between deciding what something is and what should be done about it is amply illustrated in the Roe v. Wade decision. Burke, if you know that a fertilized human ovum, its developing zgote/ blastula/fetus is not a human being, then I would be forced to conclude based on your (scientific?) knowledge that you are no more than an unarrested tumor, cancer, appendix, or some other parasitic growth that doctors regularly remove from mothers' bodies to "SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER."
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 12:57:08 (EST) from 207-172-137-38.s38.as1.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
You know you are gonna have a baaaaaaad day when ya forget your own userid and password but remember your owns sibling's userid and password
beam me up Scotty!

RADICAL-CONSERVATIVE
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 12:29:36 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Damn it, what happened to all my quotes and apostrophes? Oh well...
J. S. Burke
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 10:33:51 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Oh, PLM, before I forget, I'll call you another of your presuppositions: the extreme dichotomy you draw between rational scientific knowledge and emotion or desire. This is a hallmark Enlightenment idea that doesn't seem to hold up. Emotion/desire motivates; rational knowledge supposedly doesn't. But if this is so, then how in the hell are we ever motivated to do anything based on rational knowledge? Here's a clue: they're not so separate as you pretend--in emotion/desire there is reason, and in reason there is emotion/desire. This more accurately describes the human psyche than does the old dichotomy. So, when you say PC arguments are based on emotion, that doesn't necessarily defeat them.
J. S. Burke
USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 00:46:21 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
*sigh* So *what* is it if its not human Burke?

Did I claim a fetus wasn’t human, as current science suggests? No. I merely said that in principle science cannot prove propositions beyond doubt; there are some very clever and insightful arguments for the subjectivity of scientific enquiry and many global skeptical arguments. Until you can defeat these, you have no grounds for claiming to know anything beyond doubt. Do some phil. of science and epistemology and get back to me. Too lazy? I thought so; your kind isn’t interested in what’s true, only what fits with your ideology, and you have no room for any kind of opposing views. You’re a pitiful little dogmatist.

You dont realize it, probably dont study psychology, but you are in denial.

What in Dewey’s name does psychology have to do with genetics or biology?

Fetal personhood cannot be anything but subjective qualified, so you cant use that as an argument The only objective marker is fertilization.

Fertilization is the only objective marker of what exactly? Personhood? Humanness? Show me how being human entails a right to life. If you’re too lazy to try, I’ll give the point to you. But then I can just as easily argue that humanness” is itself a subjective term; species” or a category like homo sapiens” represent the arbitrary classifications of biologists and not clear distinctions found in nature. Nature is unified; we divide it in science to understand it, but our categories belong to us and are not found in nature proper. Is light a particle or a wave? Is Pluto/Charon a system of asteroids or planets? It all depends on how we categorize them; things exist as they are no matter what we label them. So, a label like human” is also quite subjective, then; I could just as easily include homo erectus under the human” rubric, or divide all the races that now make up humans” into distinguished species. I can do this because we are the creators of the categories, not nature. Read some Richard Rorty and some second-generation feminist philosophers for more arguments on the subjectivity of science. Some scientists may think of themselves as wholly objective,” but it’s hardly fair to let them analyze themselves; that’s what phil. of science is for.

You cannot make policy on exception.

Oh really? The law is chock full of exceptions and accepted loopholes.

Self defense doesnt involve general murder.

When did I mention self-defense?

This is your attempt at sophistry to difuse the core issue, and that issue is killing a child. If human life starts at fertilization, and it does, clearly, then abortion is MURDER.

Murder” is a legal term, a necessary condition of which is malice aforethought. Abortion clearly doesn’t involve that, nor has it legally been designated as murder. If you mean that abortion is killing, then, yes, it is; but in current law there are a number of justifications for killing and causing human death: self-defense, capital punishment, drafting people for war, etc. The killing is excused because there are overriding reasons to permit it. The right to life doesn’t seem to be absolute in law; if it was, we could not permit any exceptions whatsoever no matter what the circumstances.

Why then, Burke, do nearly ALL choicists OPPOSE *ANY* restrictions on abortion? Do YOU support abortion only being legal for LOTM cases or not?

I don’t know or care why nearly all” PCs oppose all restrictions on abortion (and I highly doubt that they do). My own views are closer to the PL side than they PC side; I just argue with you because you’re an uneducated (though you claim to be a college graduate), small-minded, short-sighted dogmatist idiot who thinks he has it all figured out. You’re fun to thrash because you’re so willfully stupid. There are good arguments to be made on the moderate PL side; unfortunately, they’re not yours. You wouldn’t know a good argument if someone else formulated it for you.

Which are what Burke?

Let’s see…off the top of my head: population control, very young mothers, malformed fetuses. It would take pages to accurately defend any of these reasons, and it’s been done, sometimes brilliantly; I may not agree with most of the reasons myself, but whether or not they carry weight really depends on the origin of one’s ethical views. A Kantian (like myself) wouldn’t buy the population control argument for a second; but a Utilitarian might.

Your biggest problem, PLM, is that you believe you have the Final Answer to the whole abortion issue neatly wrapped up in that uncritical, concrete-walled abyss called your brain. To those like myself who know the territory well enough to know that it defies such easy, disembodied answers as you suggest, you’re a buffoon. You slobber your claims just an Xian fundamentalist: you don’t actually think about your opponent’s argument, you simply scan for a few catchphrases like LOTM” or rape” or such and then deluge the page with a long, disconnected rant of generality and superficiality that incorporates the phrase(s): and the rant is impossible to really attack because you haven’t actually said anything in it. You’re like Wane on The Drunk’s Bar: in your effort to be intellectual, you come off as a fake to those who know their stuff. You’re the King of Nothing Philosophy and Prince of Floating-Point Ethics.
J. S. Burke
USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 22:38:18 (EST) from 147.226.152.76


To PLM: You are right, pro abortion people are not interested in any law against abortion that doesn't have a health exception. In Mo they passed a law against partial birth abortion. It did not have a "traditional" health exception that everyone gets around. Instead it could only be done if the mothers life was in danger. Not good enough for planned parenthood, they believe they should be allowed to pull a baby half way out, stab it in the skull, suck out it's brains, pull it's little dead body out and sell it's perfectly intact organs to the highest bidder, for any ol' reason. So the day after the law passed they filed an injunction and now the courts will decide in March. If anyone thinks it's not ALL about money they are sadly mistaken. They don't care about women or men or babies, just the almighty dollar.
pro life
USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 19:46:48 (EST) from JFCYB102-39.splitrock.net
I think it's very kind of you to allow people to use your guestbook as their personal soapbox. Given the reaction you'd no doubt get if you were unrealistic enough to expect people to use the tens of thousands of online forums, I understand your quiet decision to let these people go on and on and on and on and on; Carolyn's guestbook becomes Carolyn's de Facto Forum.

There are those of us who would simply like to post a quick, "Hiya" to Carolyn, but our posts are quickly swallowed by the bandwidth consuming, increasingly repetative posts that make up 90% of this page.
Hunter Green
Up Here, In Canada - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 16:30:06 (EST) from co23895-a.hala1.on.home.com


Abortion is totally up to the individual. Weather it is legal or illegal, a woman that is determined not to have this unborn child will find a way. It is sad to destroy a human being before birth or after. But THAT person will have to live with it and it will come back on them.
Ida Shelton <http://www//sheltoni.si.gov>
Washington, DC USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 16:15:47 (EST) from mnh82252.si.edu
Diana was a LADY. It is sad to have someone depart from us that had so much to live for. God Bless You Diana!!
Ida Shelton <http://www//sheltoni.si.gov>
Washington, DC USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 16:11:57 (EST) from mnh82252.si.edu
From prolife infonet for Burke:

" "Maternal health" is the principal reason given by women who seek abortions. In 1997, 97.79% of abortions were carried out for this reason. The three reasons that Spanish law allows are: if the mother's health is endangered, if the fetus is malformed, and if the pregnancy is due to rape. But the first reason is the one women allege. Only 2.08% of abortions were due to fetal malformation, and 0.03 to rape. Some experts believe that with the excuse of maternal health, the private abortion facilities let any woman have an abortion."

Now Burke, do you REALLY believe these girls, are you THAT naive? All women think THEIR reason is good enough, and it almost never OBJECTIVELY is. Are the abortions in Spain described above legit, or not to Burke?This is the problem with abortion, and the whole "exception" mindset, even underrated and underestimated by LIFERS. In the states, 1.6 million have them. Over 90% at least are conveinence. They dont want a child, the father doesnt, both dont, or they dont want to pay child support and feel they cant support a baby now, which are the most common reasons usually. Very few women, even in their own words when being honest, interviewed outside abortion clinics, etc., get abortions out of dire staights like LOTM, or even nonlifethreatening rapes. You cant make open policy, as in doe v bolton, making it so ANY reason works in theory for 9 months to abort on demand, and compare THAT to LOTM cases. This is what Burke *obfuscates* in his laments. Women ARENT using abortion in the vast majority of cases for such "hard cases", and when borts are asked point blank to pass laws only allowing abortion in such "hard cases" even, they refuse them gleefully. Because they are defening abortion on demand for any reason at any cost. And its simply naive to believe otherwise...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 09:55:04 (EST) from ip1.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


" Science cannot prove anything "without any doubt"; uncertainty"

*sigh* So *what* is it if its not human Burke? You dont realize it, probably dont study psychology, but you are in denial. The evidence is CRYSTAL CLEAR. Its so clear, if it applied to any other issue not so politically charged, we wouldnt be even having htis debate. We could also say its not "proved" Burke is a human life, so its ok to kill HIM too. After all, we dont even know if hes a person or an "it" yada yada yada! Fetal personhood cannot be anything but subjective qualified, so you cant use that as an argument. To many, the baby isnt "human enough" even by month 6, so whats your point? This aspect is emotional, not scientific. Its also a key component of proabortion mindsets, like yours. The only objective marker is fertilization. And thats that. Ten million years from now, the science WONT change on these facts. Your interpretation is designed to assuage your conscious over committing or defending legalized murder. Nothing else. All "perps" do this...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 09:39:04 (EST) from ip1.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


But even if human life does begin at conception, it still doesn't follow that abortion is wrong.

Yes it does. You cannot make policy on exception. Self defense doesnt involve general murder. This is your attempt at sophistry to difuse the core issue, and that issue is killing a child. If human life starts at fertilization, and it does, clearly, then abortion is MURDER. That is, it certainly is in any nonself defense LOTM case, which describes MOST abortions. You cannot use this to defend abortion IN GENERAL, and most borts do just that i.e. "we must keep it legal or women will die!" (from LOTM cases, etc.) Why then, Burke, do nearly ALL choicists OPPOSE *ANY* restrictions on abortion? Do YOU support abortion only being legal for LOTM cases or not? Why were bort forces operative in the Doe v Bolton ruling? Isnt it funny how we got abortion based on "exceptions" and the floodgates got wider and wider asto what constituted an excuse to kill? Do we do this for other forms of child abuse? Only abortion compels otherwise rational people to defend idiocy...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 09:29:36 (EST) from ip1.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


) argue that not all killing of human life is wrong and that sometimes there are overriding reasons to destroy human life--e.g., capital punishment, the drafting of people to go to war (where death is an omnipresent danger), etc. In some cases, there may be overriding reasons that permit abortion.

Which are what Burke? Truth is, to a bort, ANY REASON for abortion permits it. Have you read Doe v Bolton? Do you know the rates of abortions by "reason" even roughly, as I do? How many abortions are done for LOTM Burke? Or even rape? How is abortion being USED? Isnt it interesting how when I argue fathers rights in nonrape, nonLOTM, non health risk pregnancies, where he pays for everything, takes custody by force as a condition of vetoeing, bort after bort defends abortion to be forced on such men? Because its *about* abortion, not "need" or requirement of action...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 09:21:32 (EST) from ip1.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Science proves without any doubt the position of lifers is correct WRT to human life beginsness.

In this one sentence, you've made two fundamental errors in reasoning:

(1) Science cannot prove anything "without any doubt"; uncertainty and openness to future revision of facts is a cornerstone of the scientific method. In 1899, physicists thought they had it all figured out; then, along came Einstein and quantum mechanics. To say a thing is "proved beyond doubt" in science is pure hubris.

(2) But even if human life does begin at conception, it still doesn't follow that abortion is wrong. There are two ways to defend a PC view even when you admit a zygote is a human life: (a) distinguish between the purely descriptive term "human" and the moral concept of "person"; (b) argue that not all killing of human life is wrong and that sometimes there are overriding reasons to destroy human life--e.g., capital punishment, the drafting of people to go to war (where death is an omnipresent danger), etc. In some cases, there may be overriding reasons that permit abortion.

Its so crystal clear.

To those who don't think.

The only reason its NOT is fantasy of people who dont wish to give up their sexual habits so they excuse and obfuscate obvious known science.

Since when can science tell us what's right and wrong?
J. S. Burke
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 22:08:09 (EST) from 147.226.152.76


Carolyn: Congratulations on your intelligent treatment of the abortion issue. I do agree with you that abortion should not be something forced upon a woman by her circumstance (job or men in her life), but unfortunately, our situation is not the ideal one that would make abortion for these reasons unnecessary. Do you believe that abolishing the availability of abortion would effect these changes? Personally, I would see no need for it either if there was effective and widely available birth control. I have been sexually active for 7 year and using the pill the whole time, and have not gotten pregnant. I don't know if that's just because I've been lucky, though. I suggest we develop a male birth control pill for the men that want to avoid such responsibility. I know that there are many men who would take it.
Cosmo Bimbo, Almighty Lord of Onomatopoeia <cosmobimbo@hotmail.com>
Toronto, ON Canada - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 21:52:34 (EST) from ch2smc.bellglobal.com
Ann you might want to check out Project 21's site Project 21 Also you might want to do a web search on Starr Parker
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 21:40:47 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
This is wonderful! I am hoping that all your readers could help me with something. I am looking for Web sites that feature and /or are exclusively Black Pro-life sites. Does anyone know of them? I am doing this so that I can go with pertinent info to help others in the Black community. As a Black prolifer of many years, this would certainly help me. Does anyone know how I can get in touch with Star Parker (another Black prolifer) and Ms. Carol Everett? What is The Heidi Group?
Ann Taylor <stmarymagdalene@defendtherock.zzn.com>
Richmond, VA USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 12:06:32 (EST) from fw.henrico.lib.va.us
To the person below, *GREED* in abortion IS the key mostly. One side ISNT driven by profiteering, ONE is. Guess which one is which. A set of people running CPC's for *FREE* having to recycle newborn blankets and strollers, or one that only listens to women as long as they swipe a credit card and say "charge it." Choicists often make a big deal out of preroe deaths via so called coat hanger abortions, yet note how few care about the LEGAL abortion deaths RIGHT NOW which are MORE in number than preroe. Their indifference as long as the GOD of abortion is legal proves they never gave a rats rear end about women. It was never about *women*, but *ABORTION*. *ITSELF*. Otherwise, they would be as concerned about legal abortion deaths and clinic safety as they were when trying to score propaganda points, and they almost never are! In fact, if you have it banned, they whine over coat hangers, and say pity the women, then if its legal and they die, they say "well, each surgery has its risks, the woman knew what she was doing, too bad for her!". Compassion? I think not!

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 11:46:13 (EST) from ip102.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Oh great. Wendy got bored again. Read a book, girl!
Sehlat
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 11:37:18 (EST) from libbkr167.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
The abortion issue is uncertain, but Yahweenie certainly is a fan of mass murder and infanticide. Maybe JSB is just trying to establish his identity by being different than the people around him, (similar to his habits with beads). Or possibly the use of stimulant drugs makes him irritable from time to time?

One thing I have noticed in the places I have been: It is a matter of money for the people who favor abortion, but this is not the case for the people who are against it. Sometimes it doesn't look this way on the surface, but when one digs deeply, one finds the ultimate driving force.

Makabe <Makabe@netzero.net>
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 09:52:59 (EST) from dialup-63.210.228.112.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
"The abortion issue is uncertain," JS Burke

The abotion issue never ever was uncertain. Science proves without any doubt the position of lifers is correct WRT to human life beginsness. Its so crystal clear. The only reason its NOT is fantasy of people who dont wish to give up their sexual habits so they excuse and obfuscate obvious known science. There was never any doubt, choicers know this deep down, they simply dont care and are in denial, kind of like a wife batterer. Also, abortion destroys ALL rights (if unilaterally framed at least) of fathers i.e. men, to have ANY reproductive say EVEN in their *OWN* fetuses. Hence, abortion destroys even positive based (terming) choices for MEN. Abortion is therefore GHASTLY abuse of unborn AND born life, and we havent even touched the possible less absolutely forced in sequence victims like the woman herself, as a consequence of aborting, yet. It is astounding how blind people can be by their own refusal to accept proven reality. Its like saying child abuse or forced rape of women is "uncertain". Since abortion without any argument FORCES *at least* TWO nonconsenting victims, allowing no due process for those parties, it cannot be "uncertain" in whether its suspect or not. Its abuse hands down, so stop portraying it as a "debate" when ONE side already WON long ago on the facts, and loses to an industry of profit and greed, regardless of the facts, which obviously dont matter much and never will if proaborts keep having it their way like in a Burger King commercial...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 09:34:24 (EST) from ip102.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hi, Carolyn; yesterday, on my way home, I was listening to EWTN on my car radio and they had a speaker on abortion; I became interested and did a search this a.m. I am impressed with your site and so proud to write to someone such as yourself. As I listened to the radio, I had a thought, instead of picketing the clinics, why not set up a place with layettes for those who might keep their babies or give them up for adoption? I could sew baby quilts, etc., for them. I'm ashamed that I've been so silent, while all this horror has gone on. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to write.
Carol Sansone <csansone@mindspring.com>
Valley Springs, CA USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 08:47:01 (EST) from user-33qtmhk.dialup.mindspring.com
Go haunt an athiest web site, bead boy.
pro life
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 08:37:43 (EST) from JFCYB102-03.splitrock.net
See www.emperors-clothes.com on the Balkans
A.
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 06:56:10 (EST) from ubs004.LeidenUniv.nl
Why did the people of Pakistan (a limited nuclear nation) elect Musharaff to lead a coup to overthrow the elected government??? What?? Don't ask George for clarification. Yea, real great to see people blinding towing the party line to elect a freshman politician with a name and a big bag of money to the office of the presidency. You self important, "all knowing" holier than thou blind party line towing followers are going to elect a baffoon to the whitehouse because you swallowed the bs and liked the sound bites. Tragic. Abortion? That is what this site is.
Captain Rodeo
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 02:49:49 (EST) from chi-c52-001-vty11.as.wcom.net
Everyone.... your the Idiot I told you who I was. I am not denying anything What about the death chamber is that right? and by the way people think that god agrees with them. What if??? Oh am I going to get reamed for this but What if God is fake?
H2574
USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 01:46:26 (EST) from spider-wn012.proxy.aol.com
Someone asks, What kind of work are pro-lifers doing that is so great?" The answer: They are busy trying to encourage women to "Give the Gift of Life and Give Birth." What kind of work are the pro-aborts doing that is so great? Could it possibly be the selling of baby parts and fetal brain cells so that doctors can save human lives by destroying human life? People who would be god must first deny God. I would just say that where one's trust is, there too is his fate.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, November 29, 1999 at 00:17:31 (EST) from 207-172-137-89.s26.as2.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Wendy, you're an idiot. Get a life and stop acting like we can't tell who you are.
Everyone
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 23:37:11 (EST) from student1144.resnet.potsdam.edu
It is not possible to be open minded with people who believe the deliberate death of a living human being is ok.

Capital punishment is the deliberate death of a living human being. Is it ok?

I do not care who I offend when I say abortion is WRONG! And I am 100% sure that God is on my side of this issue.

Every Jesus freak thinks God is on his side on every issue. Take a number and get in line.

Does anyone honestly believe abortion is ok with Him?!

The abortion issue is uncertain, but Yahweenie certainly is a fan of mass murder and infanticide.
J. S. Burke
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 22:53:25 (EST) from 147.226.152.87


H7424 since when is killing an unborn baby a right???????? btw a woman does have the right to control her body but..... A BABY IS NOT A PART OF HER BODY AT ANY POINT IN THE PREGNANCY!!!!!!
RADICAL-CONSERVATIVE
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 18:16:38 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
It is not possible to be open minded with people who believe the deliberate death of a living human being is ok. I do not care who I offend when I say abortion is WRONG! And I am 100% sure that God is on my side of this issue. Does anyone honestly believe abortion is ok with Him?!
pro life
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 14:10:15 (EST) from JFCYB102-05.splitrock.net
What kind of work are Pro lifers doing that is great? I do volunteer work and I escort people in a clinic, because protesters are trying to stop them.. The protester have kids handing out literature. They have kids running after total strangers running across streets. Talking to strangers, what kind of good work is that. Call me crazy for being pro-choice, but I feel I am doing be it
H2574 <H2574@aol.com, H7424@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 13:08:27 (EST) from spider-tm053.proxy.aol.com
i think that the work the pro-lifers are doing is great. i have heard and read about some horrific experiences and am totally against abortion
claire <clairem36@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 12:43:48 (EST) from e2h3p51.scotland.net
All I can say is that I think Marvin rules and to you people with your opinions on life and death and right and left wing politics just remember to be fair and open-minded to those with opposing views....
Janna <Jayleigh@aol.com>
MountainTop, Pa USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 12:28:49 (EST) from spider-tr014.proxy.aol.com
WD Henry: Your ideas on the soul were advanced 25 years ago by a religious coalition for abortion rights that included spokespersons for several leading Protestant Christian denominations. It seems to me that one can believe in a soul, or in no soul at all, but to associate the soul with a particular time in human development turns both science and religion on their heads. If a human doesn't have an identity, a personhood, a soul, at the moment that he first has a biological mother and father, then humanity is reduced to an unscientific discussion about souls. Now that a human being can be completely identified by its DNA, conception and paternity have become the SOUL of the argument.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 09:26:34 (EST) from 207-172-137-227.s36.as4.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
TO W.D Maybe you should go check out www.prolife.com and see what a 9 week old baby looks like. It is not a clump of cells. There are some facts on that website like; at 3 wks a fetus has a beating heart and it's own circulatory system, brain waves have been recorded at 6 wks (a thinking process? who knows) at 9 wks it can squint, swallow and make a fist. Most abortions are not done before nine weeks, 12 or 13 maybe. If you have been reading the news lately you might have seen a story about the selling of aborted babies, the bigger the better, for research. Planned parenthood is at the top of the offenders list naturally. The problem with trying to figure out when it is or isn't a person is that it has led to the horror that many unborn babies are now experiencing; a painful death because their potential mothers either don't care that they are killing their child or are led to belive it isn't a child at all by "well meaning" people such as yourself. Please educate yourself on this issue before you condone this horrible practice.
pro life
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 09:10:52 (EST) from JFCYB102-17.splitrock.net
I think Carolyn will remember me if she thinks hard! No pro-choicer ever said abortion was pretty. No prochoicer ever said that a women will ever enjoy having and abortion. What we have beem saying for years is that it is a right! It is our right, and it is legal. My opinion is that if you say you are pro-life well then you a lying. You are not pro-life if you allow back alley abortions. That is what will happen if abortions become
H7424@ <H7424@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, November 28, 1999 at 02:42:42 (EST) from spider-wo081.proxy.aol.com
I think this site is great,but I still love marvin way more.Some people at school think im crazy because i love marvin so much but I cant help it hes soooooooo cool!!!this is a poam I wrote about him Marvin the Martian landed on the moon he landed there not a moment to soon as Buggs bunny came to attac Marvin pulled out his supper gun pack he blasted of his slimy head and laughed holding his body,dead!!!
Veronica <munroshanks@xtra.co.nz>
Rotorua, Newzealand - Saturday, November 27, 1999 at 21:47:49 (EST) from IPNAK1-C1.xtra.co.nz
Keep up the good work. I am a birthmother services coordinator and love the entire adoption process. Birthmothers are very brave and for that I give them the up most respect. If you know of any birthmothers in the Sacramento area in need of services, ie.. transportation, notary public, medical services, ect call 888-208-8086. Chicks in Crisis is there to help in "crisis" situations.
Inez Whitlow
USA - Saturday, November 27, 1999 at 20:55:37 (EST) from 216-119-20-24.o1.jps.net
Melissa why are you surprised? The femi-nazi's tend to get quite annoyed anytime a woman is convinced not to kill her unborn baby and they hate seeing the anti-abortion message in public because they are afraid it might save a baby or two (hopefully alot more than that though)
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Saturday, November 27, 1999 at 17:05:56 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Ok...well, I would like to ask everyone something about their beliefs..whether you believe that a fetus has a soul at conception..or whether it is initiated when the nervous system is being created and/or when it is able to function...If..and just bear with me..the soul is not formed until a certain time, then perhaps, a woman would not be killing a human being, since we associate a human with a soul..or the ability to reason (at least), and would instead be terminating a potential human being. I realize that people want to believe that abortion equals things such as slavery and genocide..but usually the abortion is within 9 weeks of implantation, and no thinking processes have occurred - so, you are disposing of cells..that have the potential to become a human being. There is no shortage of humans on this earth..and why do people have to argue about a woman's decision...What if she does not believe that there is a soul at 9 weeks...what if she does not believe in Christianity (which is her right as well..)She would not be committing murder, as you say..if she does not share your same belief system. Ok..I realize I will get darts on this posting...I hope that you will at least be open to think about other ways of thinking..
WD Henry
USA - Friday, November 26, 1999 at 23:29:20 (EST) from spider-wn014.proxy.aol.com
Great site Carolyn!! It is refreshing to see that the right-wing is not as much in the minority as the liberal press would like you to think.
Greg Baird <Ammo69@zhighway.net>
Constantia, NY USA - Friday, November 26, 1999 at 13:19:45 (EST) from ip208.user.aiusa.com
Like HP, I am amazed at the lawsuit over the "Choose Life" license plates in Florida. This is so absolutely ludicrous, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The license plates were approved by representatives of the people of Florida -- the legislature and Governor Bush, so why the hell is it NOW's business? I don't know of anybody who has been attacked or killed over a stinkin' license plate!! The monies from the sale of the license plates is going to help women who CHOOSE TO CONTINUE their pregnancies. Is NOW against this? And I'm still waiting for all you abortion supporters to provide information about a "pro-choice" organization that provides assistance to pregnant moms and their children, such as The Nurturing Network, Birthright, etc., do. Why don't you admit you're just PRO-ABORTION??
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Friday, November 26, 1999 at 12:39:17 (EST) from user-2inikai.dialup.mindspring.com
Enjoyed my visit!
George <GBMiller3@aol.com>
Hammond, In USA - Thursday, November 25, 1999 at 20:03:40 (EST) from 98C8AB8A.ipt.aol.com
Happy Thanksgiving Carolyn! P.S there is a special Thanksgiving Day message in the scrollbar on my site
RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
USA - Thursday, November 25, 1999 at 14:34:55 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Delta Burke Website
Marty Feldman <h7s9b5z0@hotmail.com>
New York, NY USA - Thursday, November 25, 1999 at 13:11:50 (EST) from 12-ta01wf.idsi.net
Good Job, Please E-mail
ButterFly <kavteam@terrigal.net.au>
Gosford, Aussie - Thursday, November 25, 1999 at 03:40:01 (EST) from 203.16.244.124
i love Marvin the Martian and i´d like you to send me some pics and links, thankyou and congrats, your web site its cool!!!!!!!!!!
Natalie Gordon <esquimal59@hotmail.com>
Mexico city, DF Mexico - Wednesday, November 24, 1999 at 17:21:33 (EST) from 200.39.111.66
hoHO! The feminazis of NOW are filing suit against Florida to prevent the production of "Choose Life" license plates.
"A legal complaint filed by the organization says the slogan is ``a religious motto which has frequently been used to harass, intimidate and at times kill'' those who choose abortion," the Palm Beach Post reported.
Yup, that's one deadly pair of words. Actually causes bortophiles to shrivel up and die, according to the NOW gals. ;-) No wonder their membership is so small. Who would want to be associated with a group that makes such claims??

Feminazi: a person who becomes angry when a woman decides against, or is talked out of getting an abortion.

Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, November 24, 1999 at 00:11:31 (EST) from port-1-18.sei.one.net
Burke, whatever: If I proposed that democracy was not a good form of government because it takes the votes of a majority and acts on behalf of minorities, would you accept such a proposition? Is the proposition more true than not? Would your defense of democracy rest on the truth of statements about democracy or on your faith in, and attitude toward, democracy? Or on your acceptance of some moral truth attaching to a skewed democracy? You see, I could easily attack democracy as a false and misleading worldview that cannot honestly live up to its claims. Here's another "so what" for you: The ancient Greeks, the non-Christian founders of democracy, became so disenchanted with it and the litigiousness that it fostered that many of them welcomed the conquering Romans with open arms. It facinates me today that so many in Christian America seem to want to embrace the pagan gods of the Celts, Romans, Greeks, Vikings, etc., gods which the pagans themselves gladly abandonned when offered Christianity. Surprisingly enough, the opposing propositions are still with us today because our public and private schools have reinvented the Dark Ages.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 21:29:59 (EST) from 207-172-137-113.s50.as2.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
you have a cool website
jason salinas
brownsville, tx USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 10:53:51 (EST) from bess-proxy2.brownsville.isd.tenet.edu
JSB, do you have vernier calipers with which you could accurately determine the diameter of said beads?? Do you have multiple sets, or do your partners bring their own? I had no idea that these devices found much favor in the Midwest United States. Of course, most patients will not volunteer such information when a medical history is taken. Hopefully you are not using the same beads in multiple partners, as this would be doubly hazardous to the health.
Makabe
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 00:52:37 (EST) from dialup-63.210.228.107.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
I like Marvin, but a public figure of his stature deserves his own guestbook! So far, this guestbook is more like some sort of debate board. I try not to add my own $.02 to the debates, but I sometimes do. Marvin gets visits from my kids and me, but your pro-life section provokes some serious comments here. The cartoon posts are sort of out of place, but they do deserve to be made!
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi , CA USA - Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 00:22:58 (EST) from ppp-173-28.lodinet.com
To JSB You are right I have not done any serious archeology. I have not climbed up Mt Ararat which is covered in ice and snow year round to find Noah's ark. But at the first sign of a thaw I will get right on it.

I didn't necessarily mean do field-work; just read--which you obviously haven't done.

Actually the first five books of the bible were written by Moses around 1400BC.

The Torah was ascribed to Moses, but his name appears nowhere on it as author, and it's written in a way that suggests it consists merely of a compilation of Jewish mythohistory and legends. No one knows who actually wrote down the Torah.

My point in saying they found parts written in 100 BC was this: Jesus fulfilled prophecies that were written long before he was born. Prophecies were not tailored to match his life.

Give me an example of an OT statement that: (1) was meant by its original author to be a prophecy; (2) which is specific enough in its intent so as to leave no room for uncertainty or guessing; (3) which was fullfilled by Jesus in the same specific, certain way. You can't do this.

There are writings about Jesus that don't come from the bible so how can he be many people?

There are many writings about William Tell, so how could he have either been a myth or a composite of many people? Ever study folklore? No? I'm not surprised.

Josephus writes about him and there are some documents that talk about his crucifixtion.

Both of the Jospehan passages are probably frauds--the one from Book 18 of JEWISH ANTIQUITIES is for sure, and the other from Book 20 (probably) also. Please, if you're going to debate, do your homework before you go into it. Give me something I haven't heard before.

Thanks for the title of the book on prophecies, I will see if my library has it.

It's a paper, not a book. You can find it at INTERNET INFIDELS. (www.infidels.org).

And about clobbering me in a debate, I don't know about that, How smart can a person be who likes to beads up people's butts?

My sexual habits have no bearing on my intelliegence or ability to debate.
J. S. Burke
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 21:39:49 (EST) from 147.226.152.87


Burke, baby, et al.: Contrary to your American educations, it's not necessary to "prove" Christianity any more than it is to prove democracy.

I said nothing about "proving"; not many things can be proven in the way a mathematical theorem can be. But a proposition--"Democracy is the best form of gov't," "Jesus died for your sins," "God exists," etc.-- can be rationally attacked or defended. So, if you mean one cannot attack or defend the statement "Democracy is the best form of gov't," you're quite mistaken; it's done all the time. The same for religious statements like "God exists," "Jesus was God," "Sinners go to hell," etc.

As for beliefs, anti-Christians would have no podium if they didn't wrap themselves in liberalism. As liberals they are able to run loose prescribing all sorts of moral nostrums they prefer, when necessary, to call ethics (a higher form of morality?).

I'm neither an anti-Christian nor a liberal, and yet I attack Xianity. And there's no real distinction between morality and ethics--they're the same concept from different root words. So you like divine command ethics over rational ethics?

Obviously, however, Christianity is more than liberal moral prescriptions, otherwise it would not trouble you so much, Burke baby.

My name is J. S. Burke, not "Burke baby." If I believe in Christ, at least I know what I believe in.

If I believe in the non-existence or impotence of Christ, I, too, know what I believe in.

Not so if I believe in a godless liberal mouthing humanistic platitudes that have their origin in narcissistic incontinence.

What can I surmise about Dumbwald from this statement: (1) He has no idea what humanism actually is; (2) he's never seriously thought about ethics or philosophy of religion; (3) he hopes to argue for his side by labling the other's beliefs as "platitudes that have their origin in narcissistic incontinence."

As for prayer, even the Washington Post has prayed in an editorial when an astronaut got in trouble up in space (I wanted to ask them whom they prayed to, but they were too busy being obtuse).

So what?

What's the game here? Advertise what little you know--your parents, your community, a familiar religion, prayer and askings--and then attack it?

No game. I just think Xianity is a radically false and misleading worldview.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 21:15:29 (EST) from 147.226.152.87


I feel that if you are responsible to make the baby then you should be responsible to have the baby. I am PROLIFE=:)
Pamela Shrader <peige@hotmail.com>
Fairborn, oh USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 20:13:03 (EST) from proxy.siscom.net
To JSB You are right I have not done any serious archeology. I have not climbed up Mt Ararat which is covered in ice and snow year round to find Noah's ark. But at the first sign of a thaw I will get right on it. Actually the first five books of the bible were written by Moses around 1400BC. My point in saying they found parts written in 100 BC was this: Jesus fulfilled prophecies that were written long before he was born. Prophecies were not tailored to match his life. There are writings about Jesus that don't come from the bible so how can he be many people? Josephus writes about him and there are some documents that talk about his crucifixtion. Thanks for the title of the book on prophecies, I will see if my library has it. And about clobbering me in a debate, I don't know about that, How smart can a person be who likes to beads up people's butts?
born again
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 19:46:42 (EST) from JFCYB102-40.splitrock.net
Carolyn: "Who thinks I should start a separate guestbook for my Marvin the Martian section? " me me me! *Duck* I also think you ought to set up a PPinky and The Brain page too or else Marvin just might be kidnapped by the Borg again! ok ok so this is blackmail heh heh heh
RADICAL-CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 19:04:08 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Burke, baby, et al.: Contrary to your American educations, it's not necessary to "prove" Christianity any more than it is to prove democracy. One needn't subscribe to the "Big Bang Theory" to find the origin of Christianity or to associate Jesus with it. As for beliefs, anti-Christians would have no podium if they didn't wrap themselves in liberalism. As liberals they are able to run loose prescribing all sorts of moral nostrums they prefer, when necessary, to call ethics (a higher form of morality?). Oddly enough, liberals champion enough Christian based morality to get the support of many liberal Christian organizations and the votes of their members. Obviously, however, Christianity is more than liberal moral prescriptions, otherwise it would not trouble you so much, Burke baby. If I believe in Christ, at least I know what I believe in. Not so if I believe in a godless liberal mouthing humanistic platitudes that have their origin in narcissistic incontinence. Get a rosy life! Christians have Rosaries; Muslims have prayer beads. Budhists have prayer wheels. Big deal! As for prayer, even the Washington Post has prayed in an editorial when an astronaut got in trouble up in space (I wanted to ask them whom they prayed to, but they were too busy being obtuse). Lawyers pray all the time that the judge will grant their client his/her/its wishes. What's the game here? Advertise what little you know--your parents, your community, a familiar religion, prayer and askings--and then attack it?
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 18:06:35 (EST) from 207-172-138-184.s57.as7.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Ok, input for Gargaro. Separate the stuff. I like Marvin and so does most everyone else here. So do you. Since you have more explosive parts to your site, like abortion arguments, you will get alot of comments on that, and it cant be helped. Abortion sorta overshadows funny green cartoon characters! :P Once people visit the site, they look at Marvin and say "how cute" but then they reach the abortion page, and prolife or kill crazy, they wanna talk about THAT. So you might have to do it to give Green Guy his space, dig? That way, the people avoiding fights can post and their comments wont get lost in these wars...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 15:57:22 (EST) from AUSTB110-09.splitrock.net


Hmm... such interesting conversations. Let's get some input: who thinks I should start a separate guestbook for my Marvin the Martian section?
Carolyn
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 15:46:27 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Hmmm. How big are your beads, JSB? I understand that rosary beads are quite variable in size.

The average rosary bead is much smaller than the average anal bead. Anal beads have to be larger to stretch out the anus.

Some of the implements which require extraction in the hospital are not very large, but are in too deep to be removed by the patient. Please do not injure yourself.

I haven't used them on myself; I use them on other people.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 15:43:14 (EST) from 147.226.152.86


"if you dont' want a baby getting aborted, then they should get them... a "buddy" that you are responsible for the next 18-21 years, to spend 40 hrs of time with them, and give up 40 % of their paycheck!!!!"

Ok, so then, since we know that half the human race involved(men) have no say, *IF* they agree to do that, then the courts should allow the father involved to do just that, to offer and sign papers taking custody in exchange for the child's life, right? The thing is, I have spoken to every p.c. female under the sun, and nada, zip, zippo, has even offered the child's own father such a deal, even if he requests it and must agree to custody and ALL RESPONSIBILITY all feedings, even 100% of the child support burdon, they *STILL* defend forced abortion on these men who are directly involved and stand to lose that much, which cant even be stated in a guestbook, but the same choicers use this even on random lifers, as if to "prove" they arent willing to raise baby, pay for baby, etc., for 18 years, so dont judge the girl, yada yada yada. Now PLM wonders, if you guys fight even basic rights for the fathers of these babies to do what you accuse even impersonal bystanders of not being willing to do what your position denies even the guy who caused that pregnancy an option to do or even argue in court, HOW can your words to such general lifers ring anything but hollow? What I am sick of is this tendency of borts to always never back up their boasts. Costantly, they whine, for example, of this charge you hurled at a bystander lifer like Carolyn, and THEN, even more common at the men involved, and then, you are offered a solution answering your gripe, which would reduce the abortion rate and what do you do? You oppose it tooth and nail, proving you were never really serious about the real reasons for abortion, otherwise you would have jumped at the chance. Which is why I feel honesty is sorely lacking at least on side of this issue in debate, and until THAT is controlled, its just a waste of white space...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 15:21:46 (EST) from AUSTB110-09.splitrock.net


Hmmm. How big are your beads, JSB? I understand that rosary beads are quite variable in size. Some of the implements which require extraction in the hospital are not very large, but are in too deep to be removed by the patient. Please do not injure yourself.
Makabe
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 13:57:54 (EST) from dialup-63.210.228.232.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
One more thing G a baby IS NOT part of a woman's body EVER!
RADICAL-CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 11:55:39 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
G:" i personally believe that the fetus after the 2nd trimester is a live, human being. G what the hell is the baby before the 2nd trimester a horse or a dog maybe?????
RADICAL-CONSERVATIVE
USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 11:28:57 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
First of all, i found your answers to some of the guest book entrees disturbing. First I would NEVER abort my child due to the fact that i personally believe that the fetus after the 2nd trimester is a live, human being. So therefore i would never even consider abortion for MYSELF!!!!!!! However, I believe that the women involved have the right to do as they see fit with accordance to their bodies and beliefs. There are many circumstances that can make a woman to make a decision for abortion and it is not up to us to hinder her choice. I like to say that even though i am pro choice, i do not believe in abortion but i do believe in the woman's RIGHT to choose what is best for her. Like Janine Garafalo said... for All those pro-life activists out there... if you dont' want a baby getting aborted, then they should get them... a "buddy" that you are responsible for the next 18-21 years, to spend 40 hrs of time with them, and give up 40 % of their paycheck!!!! I'd like to see you do that for everysingle child out there... Good luck if you decide to try....
G <jiskim@hotmail.com>
New York, NY USA - Monday, November 22, 1999 at 00:55:09 (EST) from be-16.resnet.sunysb.edu
Response
JSB, I doubt if your proposed method of 'examining' the rosary will bear much intellectual fruit. Maybe it will bring about bad karma and a trip to the emergency room

Anal beads are bigger than rosary beads, so I doubt they could lead many women to the ER.
J. S. Burke
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 22:41:39 (EST) from 147.226.152.69


To J S Burke: What is it about Christianity that you feel doesn't hold up upon examination?

Its propositions historical, metaphysical, ethical and psychological. That's a short answer. The long answer would involve a debate in which I'd probably clobber you (judging from my past efforts). But I'm not much interested in that anymore.

Do you believe Jesus was an actual person? Most people will concede that he was but that he was just a person, not the messiah.

It's a tough call. It seems likely that what you call "Jesus" is a composite of a number of figures.

There are copies of the old testament that have been dated back to 100 BC.

So what? There are copies of Hindu writings way older than that. What does that have to do with Xianity being either true or false?

There were many prophecies in the old testament concerning the messiah. Every prophecy that was made Jesus fulfilled, his birth, his travels, his death, the price that was paid for his betrayal, the fact that not one of his bones would be broken, and many other things that he could not have engineered. The odds of one person matching every prophecy that was made are astronomical.

The OT prophecies applied to Jesus are extremely vague, and some OT passages applied as prophecies were never meant to even _be_ prophecies by their authors. See Farrell Till's "Prophecies: Imaginary and Unfullfilled" for a critique of the argument from prophecy.

Archeology has never proven anything wrong with the bible. Quite the opposite.

Some minor, mundane historical events in the Bible have been verified, such as the existence of certain cities and towns and the locations of a few battles. But the major archaeological evidence--such as Noah's ark--exists only in the rabid Xian mind. You've never seriously done archaeology, have you?
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 22:28:02 (EST) from 147.226.152.69


hello hello I checked out the rant section of your site a couple of months ago and finally found the time to make a trip back here to see the rest of your stuff. I love the way that you present your veiws in a mature and intelligent way. The net needs more people like that!
Rachel <paradox364@yahoo.com>
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 18:26:34 (EST) from 208.20.53.74
Hey, I just happen to stumble across this website. It's really cute and I happen to be a fan of Marvin. Well i've done my part :) *hugz* + *kissez* :o) ;) :D
Liz <luvbunny4@home.com>
Port Moody, B.C Canada - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 15:30:50 (EST) from proxy1-external.poco1.bc.home.com
I absolutely love Marvin the Martian...Send me anything that you have on him.....PLEASE!!!!!!!! Thank you
Tammy Ainsworth <ChvyGirl29>
Houston, TX USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 14:08:18 (EST) from spider-wm034.proxy.aol.com
Click on my name and head to the ALERTS! The New York Post polled 20,000 readers about people of the millenium. You gotta see the results of the "most EVIL" poll ;-). You'll be impressed!! There's also a link to the rest of the poll categories.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Sunday, November 21, 1999 at 11:51:00 (EST) from port-1-22.sei.one.net
To J S Burke: What is it about Christianity that you feel doesn't hold up upon examination? Do you believe Jesus was an actual person? Most people will concede that he was but that he was just a person, not the messiah. There are copies of the old testament that have been dated back to 100 BC. There were many prophecies in the old testament concerning the messiah. Every prophecy that was made Jesus fulfilled, his birth, his travels, his death, the price that was paid for his betrayal, the fact that not one of his bones would be broken, and many other things that he could not have engineered. The odds of one person matching every prophecy that was made are astronomical. Archeology has never proven anything wrong with the bible. Quite the opposite. As a matter of fact I just read an article that stated that there was no proof that the Caananites ever existed exept in the bible. Now they have found what they believe to be proof that these people existed. I want to argue for Christianity because I'm a Christian and I think if you really checked into it you will see that a stong case could be made in favor of it. There is a good book called He Walked Among Us, but I don't know who the author is. Have you read the bible? I've recently read it from cover to cover and I truly believe it is inspired by God. So how about stating your case against it.
born again
USA - Saturday, November 20, 1999 at 19:42:49 (EST) from JFCYB102-06.splitrock.net
Thanks for finding the article. As with everything that "oozes" out of this administration, to quote the NY Times definition of Janet Reno's job title - "ooze control", the article turns out to be nothing but Gore spin. With this article the Gore campa ign borrowed a page from the Clinton playbook. I remember that with the White Water hearings, the campaign finance abuses” hearings and the impeachment hearings the white house would leak the embarrasing if not criminal stuff before it would be testified to thereby taking the sting off the testimony and spinning it later that night by declaring it old news”. The article says that Gore sometimes used marijuana” and had colleagues assigned to make sure this son of a prominent politician was never injure d in the war”. But as you read on it portrays Gore’s anguish”, plunged in a series of long, wrenching debates that failed to ease his dilemma” of whether or not to serve”. In the end the article is nothing but a suck-up job.
Lem Angeles <Langeles@lmseng.com>
USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 14:50:06 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Hmm. I personally don't agree with your views on abortion, but it is nice to finally see a pro-lifer who can stress their view in a mature, intellegent manner.
Kalista
USA - Friday, November 19, 1999 at 04:45:49 (EST) from cr313111-a.surrey1.bc.wave.home.com
My fellow conservatives, I’ve been looking for the Al Gore Vietnam Bodyguard story with no success. The rumor I’ve heard was that the supposed bodyguards assigned to baby-sit Al Gore in Vietnam are talking. Apparently there was a saving private Gore in Vietnam. I have researched all the major paper’s web-sites and found nothing. Of course if the rumor were about a republican the story would hit saturation. If anybody knows were I can find it please let me know. Thanks
Lem Angeles <Langeles@lmseng.com>
USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 17:14:47 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Lem may be referring to this LA Times article.
JSB, I doubt if your proposed method of 'examining' the rosary will bear much intellectual fruit. Maybe it will bring about bad karma and a trip to the emergency room
M <Makabe@banzai.net>
USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 16:55:21 (EST) from 1Cust182.tnt2.greensboro.nc.da.uu.net
You have an awesome site. I adore MARVIN so much that every single time I see him I have to get dragged away. The only thing I don't have are the slippers, and it's not because I have a big foot.
Erica
San Antonio, Tx USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 15:56:18 (EST) from SA5399-114-22.stic.net
Marvin the Martian rules! I have all kinds of stuff of him. I love you website!
Michelle Williams <shorty10_01@hotmail.com>
Scranton, KS USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 11:34:49 (EST) from 198.248.92.46
Re: Tai's post. See what excessive psychoactive drug use does to one's brain?? ;-)
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 08:56:59 (EST) from port-3-11.sei.one.net
I was loooking for information about the Legalization of Drugs for a research project when I stumbled upon your website. I almost used you a source until I read you resume and found out your opinion doesn't really matter. you haven't wriiten a book, studied it in college, or even have a personal story about it. That's the problem with the internet, anyone is allowed to put anything on the web!
Tai baker <tai_baker@hotmail.com>
Wilmington, de USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 14:32:53 (EST) from paley70.paley.temple.edu
The idea that one of those three things is mandatory for an opinion to be valid is silly. And why would I put a personal story on a resume?
I JUST WANT TO SAY I LOVE MARVIN THE MARTIN. I HAVE FOR A LONG TIME. I HAVE T-SHIRTS AND SLIPPERS AND POSTERS. HE'S JUST THE COOLEST. HARDLY ANYONE LIKES MARVIN BUT I THINK HE' BECOMING MORE POPULAR AS THE TIME GOES ON. I EVEN NAMED MY CAT MARVIN THE MARTIAN. THANKS.
SHEILA ST.CLAIR <MARLINLOVER@WEBTV.NET>
LISBON, OH USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 13:31:40 (EST) from proxy-537.public.rwc.webtv.net
I JUST WANT TO SAY I LOVE MARVIN THE MARTIN. I HAVE FOR A LONG TIME. I HAVE T-SHIRTS AND SLIPPERS AND POSERS. HE'S JUST THE COOLEST. HARDLY ANYONE LIKES MARVIN BUT I THINK HE' BECOMING MORE POPULAR AS THE TIME GOES ON. I EVEN NAMED MY CAT MARVIN THE MARTIAN. THANKS.
SHEILA ST.CLAIR <MARLINLOVER@WEBTV.NET>
LISBON, OH USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 13:30:28 (EST) from proxy-537.public.rwc.webtv.net
Cool site. I logged in to check out the Al Gore page (noted in the 11/15/99 issue of industry standard) and found it very funny. I'll be back to check out your other content from time to time. After reading some of the angry comments in your guestbook, I think I know what the Road Rage set does when they're not behind the
That Walt Guy <SkierWalt@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 13:23:45 (EST) from bnh-3-10.mv.com
I have just stumbled into this site looking for a story about the VPs Vietnam "bodyguards". I just never seen anything like it. I love it so much I decided to post some of my humor. Imagen you are a liberal commentator, this is whow you would comment on a tragedy. I used the Atlanta "day trader" shooter, but you can use anyone you like. Liberal commentator - Well Bernie Polls show” we need to reign in day trading, day trading is getting out of hand. People are loosing their savings out there. We must pass laws to prevent people from loosing their savings to greedy” stock market savvy risky” day trading. Registering day-traders with the FBI, Janet Reno, and ATF coupled with mandatory trading waiting periods” may be a good start. A ban on night trading and trading shows” should follow. I know this is the VP idea, a telephone emergency line to inform citizens on where the market is going sounds like a great idea. And last but not least a 1000-dollar trading limit” for beginners. The tragedy in Atlanta should teach us important lessons; day trading is bad”, day traders kill people”, and CNN had the best coverage. Not only was this poor man a victim of an acute day trading rush”, he used guns, obviously under the influence of the Columbine aftermath, sort of like second hand smoking and explicit lyrics (miss Gore sure thinks so). I tell you I would not be surprise to learn this guy was about to find” a pile of money coming in that would have saved” him and his family with money left over” to pay his mounting debts. He did not need to cut” these people down; things did not rise to that level”. Besides he was driving a minivan, he may have wanted to be a soccer-dad” but the judge gave the kids to his ex-wife because he, the soccer-dad, used to be an HMO salesman (I know I am speculating now) The American people” believe historians will not blame this man for what took place out there in Atlanta. I believe the heat caused by global warming” coupled with his low self-esteem” just set him off. Perhaps constant prank calls from his dentist, raised by his mother and his grandmother. I think we need to look for the hidden causes”; the real killers”, he may have been a bad golfer, who knows? Who am I to judge? Lets face it postal workers do this sort of thing all the time. This is old news”, its happened before. We need to get back to healing”, to helping people like Mark Barton.
Lem Angeles <Langeles@lmseng.com>
Pearl River, NY USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 13:05:03 (EST) from 207.198.221.158
Leonardo: She does clean up her guestbook occasionally. She just has way too many of us hanging out who post here all the time :)
Sehlat
Music City, TN USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 12:44:13 (EST) from libbkr197.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
HEY, I REALLY LIKE YOUR WEBPAGE IT IS REALLY COOL. KEEP IT UP!! IT REALLY KICKS ASS!!! PEACE ALWAYS
MISSY MANWILLER <MMANWILLER@HOTMAIL.COM>
FLEETWOOD, PA USA - Wednesday, November 17, 1999 at 10:43:05 (EST) from lc-2052355392.berksiu.k12.pa.us
One of my pals played a tape from today's O'Reilly Factor Show on Fox News Channel over the phone for me. I was privileged to hear the big news break for Mark Crutcher of Life Dynamics, and the story of the sale of aborted baby parts which he has been researching for over 2 years. It was especially interesting to hear the names of Colorado University, and SKB and Zeneca as buyers of the body parts. Fox News is not finished with this story, and neither is the U.S. Congress. Stay tuned.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 22:19:47 (EST) from port-1-47.sei.one.net
I stumbled on to your site and love it. However, your guest book is too filled with old garbage. You should clean it out every couple of weeks. I'm sending a copy of your page to my girlfriend.
Leonardo <kazooski@mail.com>
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 16:04:32 (EST) from as3a-186.klmz.mi.net-link.net
Heather:"She is one of the most compassionate, unbiased, non-judgemental and intelligent women I know. She is also a loyal, trustworthy friend." Heather you are 100% correct and I want to add that Carolyn is a real sweetheart too
RADICAL-CONSERVATIVE
USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 11:37:40 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Hey Chuckie ever hear of Ben Nighthorse-Cambell he is a congressman from Co. who was a Democrat who SWITCHED parties and became a Republican !!!!!!
RADICAL-CONSERVATIVE <cnsrv@radical-conservative.org>
USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 11:21:47 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Obviously this person has had a bit too much "Night Train" because now he's vomiting all over Carolyn's guestbook. I get so sick of this kind of biased tripe being leveled against Carolyn. She is one of the most compassionate, unbiased, non-judgemental and intelligent women I know. She is also a loyal, trustworthy friend. I sincerely wish these people would chum in their own back alleys and not in this guestbook.
Heather
CA USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 10:56:07 (EST) from alice.compuall.net
You are a f****n loser. All you whacked out nut bars are. If you and the rest of the Pubies had their way there would be no indians left in America. reminds me of the line from J.C.Watt's father. "For a Indian to vote Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders
Chuckie Cheeze
USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 08:36:24 (EST) from ppp15446.on.bellglobal.com
Oh yeah? Is that why I work for an Indian Reservation? Duh!
I really think there should be a full disclosure of Bill Clntons activities during the Vetam conflict. Not from his mouth but from the record!
Michael D. Szyska Sr. <SKI762@webtv.net>
Matlacha, FL USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 01:51:43 (EST) from proxy-517.public.rwc.webtv.net
My God created the REAL world you live in.

Nuh-uh, MY God did. You're going to get eaten alive by Cthulu!! Repent now!!
Cthulu savors
USA - Tuesday, November 16, 1999 at 00:12:27 (EST) from 147.226.152.76


I wonder if the anti-Christian zealots who puke their mind on this Guestbook

You mean refusing to be duped by Xianity and poking fun at it equals hatred? I don't _hate_ the religion, even though it does cause a number of problems for various persons.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 22:50:57 (EST) from 147.226.152.76


To the ovary rosary girl: I don't appreciate you using the F word in reference to my God. My God created the REAL world you live in. For your information I have been penniless and pregnant two times and because I chose God's way I also have two beautiful children. So please quit with the excuses. When the going gets tough you can quit or tough it out. I chose to tough it out, and God saw me through. I feel sorry for you because obviously you've done something you regret. Even though you are calling God vile names he still loves you. I hope you will ask for His forgivness and get right with Him before it's too late. P.S. Not all Christians use a rosary.
Jesus saves
USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 21:16:00 (EST) from JFCYB102-31.splitrock.net
The vulgar and hate speech directed against many Christians first reared its ugly head during the 1976 presidential election and was openly directed by the press against the the Catholic bishops who opposed Jimmy Carter's position on abortion. By 1980, many so-called evangelical Christians had sided with the Catholic bishops on the issue of abortion, and they too were attacked and referred to as the radical religious right. This abortion issue really exposes what the left and their religious divines are all about: to viciously attack anyone who opposes abortion on demand. I wonder if the anti-Christian zealots who puke their mind on this Guestbook feel the same hatred toward pro-life Muslims, of which there seem to be many? Or any other, diversity certified, multi-culturally designated, worshiped-by-the-left, relgious group that was pro-life?
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 18:51:23 (EST) from 207-172-156-66.s66.as8.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
That is as gross as his disrespect of others' prayer traditions.

I have zero respect for dogmatic religion and uncritical tradition. If it holds up under examination, fine...but Xianity sure doesn't.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 15:31:01 (EST) from 147.226.67.236


Not wanting to know which of his orifices JSB is contemplating.... :-P That is as gross as his disrespect of others' prayer traditions.
Hoser
USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 11:18:37 (EST) from port-3-47.sei.one.net
Me: "Keep your rosaries out of my ovaries" is almost as lame as the other catch-phrase below. But I've long thought rosaries would make good pleasuring devices, though I don't know if I could stuff a string up that far.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 01:59:26 (EST) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
I just wanted to say that I am a woman who had to make the decision to have an abortion and I appreciate this site. I appreciate the fact that Carolyn is willing to admit that many organizations go too far and end up doing the same thing they accuse me of. I also wanted to say that I don't feel guilty because of visiting her site, it did not change me at all. Thank you.
not a victim
USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 01:38:57 (EST) from spider-pa062.proxy.aol.com
Obviously quite a few women are dissatisfied with their biological status, and wish they could be men. Often that "get your rosaries out of my ovaries" talk is an expression of a wish to own and operate "nads" of the opposite sex.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 01:28:08 (EST) from port-1-35.sei.one.net
Susan: my post was a parody of someone's below who said to the effect: only the born support abortion. Such obvious statements are not only lame but serve to make those spouting them look like bumper- sticker-for-brains simpletons; they do nothing for the abortion debate.

Heather: I'm sure glad someone wanted a screaming baby like you--otherwise, I'd be terribly lonely.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, November 15, 1999 at 01:13:17 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


you have absolutely no right to tell others how to run their life and maybe one day when your broke with no-one to support you it may become clear that abortion IS an option that should be considered for anyone not wanting to go ahead with their pregnancy. A 12 year old is neither physically or mentally mature enough to handle a pregnancy and adoption is always a distressing experience for all involved. Leave those who live in the real world alone!
mary james <mjam@hotmail.com>
sydney, nsw australia - Sunday, November 14, 1999 at 23:30:17 (EST) from shc.gsat.edu.au
Response
My biological mother didn't want a screaming baby but my adoptive mother sure did. And, if you're going to froth at the mouth like that could you not do it in my direction? You got some rabid foam in my eye.
Heather
CA USA - Sunday, November 14, 1999 at 22:40:07 (EST) from kiss.compuall.net
One day maybe you will be pregnant & penniless and you wont be able to turn to f***in' god because in the REAL WORLD you have to sort out problems for YOURSELF in a SENSIBLE WAY. Not EVERYONE wants to HAVE an abortion but to them it is a better OPTION than having to put up with a sceaming baby that they didn't want in the FIRST PLACE. If god had anything to do with women getting pregnant/giving birth then how come MEN can't give birth as well - because all you religious people seem to go on about what a 'great man' he is - wouldn't he have chosen to have at LEAST been of the sex that BRINGS LIFE INTO THE WORLD? KEEP YOUR ROSARIES OUT OF OUR OVARIES!!!
Me
USA - Sunday, November 14, 1999 at 15:54:05 (EST) from modem-107-19-60-62.vip.uk.com
Response
Congratulations on your great pro-life page Carolyn, it's one of the best resources on the net. I'm the person who asked you for permission to translate to a pro-life page in Spanish part of your true stories. I'm glad to tell you that up to now, it has saved at least 3 babies I know about and the page has got thousands of visits. God bless you. :) Karina
Karina Vargas <fmsyv@pi.pro.ec>
Quito, Ecuador - Sunday, November 14, 1999 at 01:11:08 (EST) from 157.100.197.34
How can women be any safer after Roe v. Wade? Didn't all the back-alley abortionists just move their offices to main street? Some states are only just now starting to try to regulate abortion mills. Personally, I wouldn't trust an abortion doctor to apply a bandaid.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 20:31:38 (EST) from 207-172-139-189.s62.as11.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
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bangor, wales (UK) - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 16:10:33 (EST) from webcache10b.cache.pol.co.uk
I just want to say that I agree with Angela. She's made a lot of good points. You go gurl!
Sara Green
London, UK - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 16:06:05 (EST) from modem-214-182.vip.uk.com
Even though all of you Pro-death seem so angry and hateful ,I'm glad your Moms didn't kill you.There is still time for you to un-harden your hearts before you meet God.Carolyns a nice lady so try to be alittie more civil in your hate mail.
Jeff Saxon
Loveland, Co USA - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 15:50:27 (EST) from 164.47.82.182
Jb: I must have slept in too late or something. Your post was obviously a joke. Duh!
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 14:51:09 (EST) from ppp-173-27.lodinet.com
JB:
I don't get your logic in your last post. The unborn don't speak out against abortion. So? Newborns don't speak out against infanticide. The deaf don't speak out against noise pollution. My daughter doesn't speak out against eugenics. I don't speak out against incidents occuring halfway around the world about which I don't know.
Does this mean that abortion, infanticide, noise pollution and countless other known and unknown conditions should continue without question or challenge?

Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 14:45:15 (EST) from ppp-173-27.lodinet.com
thanks for this really cool web page for marvin. he really rocks and i'm glad i finally found pics of him around cause there hard to get. can you e-mail me any new pic . thanks.
hana <hannibear8@aol.com.au>
sydney, nsw aust - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 08:53:48 (EST) from spider-th073.proxy.aol.com
Isn't it funny how all those who advocate banning abortion are also already born?
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Saturday, November 13, 1999 at 00:00:18 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
EEEEK! Invasion of the 'bortophiles BATTLESTATIONS! DEFCON-5!
Radical Conservative <radcnsrv@radical-conservative.zzn.com>
USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 23:37:47 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
SURVIVE ( Intro) Where are the unborn now? Defenseless when taken away Without a choice, yet they still have a voice Do you wonder where they are today? What would the unborn say?... ( Verse 1 ) From the womb by force I was taken To a tomb where they buried my rights I was a gift from God to my momma Until she was deceived by choice lies. Could she felt I was inconvenient Or denied the Gospel as true? For whatever it's worth, or wherever you are Mommy, I still love you. ( Chrous ) I'm still a part, I once shared your heart After you had conceived. Inside I cried, please don't let me die I'll be good you'll see. Oh then they came I suffered the pain, So-called experts denied But God will forgive, we all have the right to live Let the unborn child survive. ( Verse 2 ) The days were few that we had together I heard the A.C.L.U. on TV But then I thought the truth really mattered For the unborn eagles set free. Now, I'm not alone, it's great here in Heaven I've got a name and a body anew I long to see you one day, with the Lord we can stay Mommy, I'm waiting for you. ( Chrous ) I'm still a part, I once shared your heart After you had conceived. Inside I cried, please don't let me die I'll be good you'll see. Oh then they came, I suffered the pain, So-called experts denied. But God will forgive, we all have the right to live Let the unborn child survive. ( Bridge ) Why worry about prenatal care, if a human isn't there Won't someone tell me why? It's a child not a choice, it's a baby with no voice There's a human in the womb, a different stage yet to bloom. So why...are all the innocent dying? Why, has thirty million been silenced? Why?...oh, tell me why. Why:...when it's a child not a fetus Why?...do you think God doesn't see us Why?...oh, tell me why. Why......must the unborn die? It's a child, not a choice, There's a baby with no voice, Let the unborn child, "SURVIVE." Copyright 1994 John D. Bennett, II
Jon <Ruckbottom@aol.com>
Frederick, Va USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 21:10:07 (EST) from spider-tn072.proxy.aol.com
I'd like to know why all you pro abortion people are hanging around a pro life website. Maybe your looking for some reason to change your mind....?
s
USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 19:20:05 (EST) from JFCYB102-18.splitrock.net
Prolifeman, I hate to tell you this, but thousands more women died because abortion wasn't illegal than now. They died because they weren't allowed to recieve a safe medical procedure. Few women truly die from an abortion. Check your facts before you pretend you know what your talking about.
gale thoman <khylira@hotmail.com>
Enid, OK USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 18:14:00 (EST) from 216-60-148-180.enid.lib.ok.us
It makes me sick to see Pro-Choicers described as "abortion supporters". Don't you realize how truly uninformed you are? The bulk of Pro-Choice advicates aer for CHOICE, not for abortion. We feel that the choice should be for the individual that is carying the child, not for bureacratic snobs who will never even know our names. I am 19 years old, and I have a three year old son. When I was sixteen, and pregnant, at first I decided to end the pregnancy. In the end, however, I knew that I couldn't. That was MY choice, and it had nothing to do with abortion, murder, or religion. I just couldn't. It wasn't for me. That doesn't mean that I, or anyone else, has the right to make that decision for someone else. If I had aborted my son, would you have known about it? Would you have lost sleep, had dreams of how he would be like? I, and only I, would have that. To be fair, if not wordy, I have to admit it also make sme sick to see immature girls, and adults, use abortion as a form of birth control. However, I feel that if the have so little emotion that that decision didn't rip their hearts out, maybe those babies were better off. No one can say that those girls would take care of their babies while they were pregnant. Adoption is a nice alternative, of course, and helps many people. But if the mother really cares so little, what's to stop them from doing drugs, contracting diseases, and generally creating a life of hardship and agony for that child? What I am saying is that nothing is cut and dry- every woman has to know her circumstances, has to want to bring life into the world. Would you enjoy being forced to carry a baby for nine months if you hated the child within you?
Gale Thoman <khylira@hotmail.com>
Enid, OK USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 18:07:04 (EST) from 216-60-148-180.enid.lib.ok.us
Points addressed here.
Cool, this is a great web site. Marvin the Martian RULES!!!!!!:)
Maricela <1blueangel @collegeclub.com>
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 13:39:05 (EST) from 207.233.59.245
I know I sound like a broken record, but what about adoption? Angela, you say what is the point of having a child you didn't plan or? Please pose that question to my beautiful adopted son, who is now eight years old. His mother was pregnant and penniless, and lived in a housing pregnant, but instead of destroying her unborn baby, she made the courageous and painful decision to give her child a chance at a good life, and my family and I are trying to do just that. And Angela, honey, in the U.S. fifty percent of women having abortions did NOT use ANY contraception!
Melissa
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 09:48:21 (EST) from fw.usip.edu
i really love marvin & want 2 thank u for making this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! say thanks for the writer of the marvin poem i just couldnt stop laughing when i read it. say hi to marvin for me! THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!! mackie21
mackie <kkkj21ily_wwf@chickmail.com>
manila, philippines - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 08:03:20 (EST) from bai-150.pworld.net.ph
I really like your website. Good for you in standing up for the unborn babies for once. I think all women know how they can get pregnant, so I don't see what the big issue is. I don't feel, however, that those who are raped and get pregnant are responsible for their pregnancy, so I'll leave that one up to God to judge if they do decide to go through with an abortion. Again, Nice website. I stumbled upon you by chance while surfing for Princess Diana websites. Your website is really honest, and I hope it helps women to "think twice" before going through with the "choice to kill." Diana
Diana <DianaSivle@excite.com>
MN USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 02:07:52 (EST) from MINNB102-25.splitrock.net
Isn't it funny that the people who advocate abortion are already born!!!!
brian <brian@skem1.freeserve.co.uk>
U K - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 01:37:55 (EST) from webcache10b.cache.pol.co.uk
Angela: . what is the point of having a child you didn't plan for?

HP: To continue the species. All animals, including humans, do it. It's very natural.

Angela: , but if ,by chance, these methods happen to FAIL what are they expected to do in the world of Pro-Life? have the unwanted child? live their whole life resenting that child for ruining their life? is that what you really want to see happen?

HP: . It is part of normal biological programming to become attached to one's offspring. A woman so self centered (or otherwise afflicted) as to fail to bond with her child should seek psychological help. I'm speaking as a health care professional, and a normal mother of both planned and unplanned children. I do not resent my last child, (In fact, he is a lovable kid), and although I am an 'oopsie baby', my mother has never resented me.

Angela: ,We should set about helping each other to discover NATURAL abortion; herbs & medicines that induce abortion.

HP: Purposely induced abortion is not natural behavior. It is aberrant and maladaptive. However, it may be morbidly interesting to observe the results of herbal abortion attempts. Most involve considerable danger to the mother since systemic distribution of the toxic compounds is required to achieve the desired result.

Angela: - i speak as a young, modern, concerned feminist woman.

HP: Angela, you are very poorly informed with respect to the topics that you addressed. I suggest that if you are concerned, you do some research.

Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Friday, November 12, 1999 at 00:21:08 (EST) from port-2-2.sei.one.net
Angela, you're showing your ignorance about the girl assisted by the Church. She didn't want ot have an abortion in the first place, and much of the assistance -- if not all -- has been in supplies and services, not a cash bribe. Typical abortion-supporting hypocrisy. She made her CHOICE not to abort, and the Church merely helped her make living with that choice easier. How sad, how very sad that abortion supporters cry "choice" and then cannot respect those who make the CHOICE not to abort and those who help them make the results of their CHOICE easier. Remeber, the choice to abort -- that is, to kill a living human being -- also requires the choice not to kill him, otherwise it's no choice at all.

Sharon: You say you feel "more guilty". This site isn't intended to cause guilt for those who have had abortions. If anything, Carolyn has links somewhere to organizations that help women suffering from abortion aftereffects such as the guilt. Groups such as Former Women of Choice, Project Rachel, SafeHaven, and Heart-to-Heart Ministries exist to help women find help and healing after an abortion. I don't know of any Scottish resources, but maybe someone in these groups will.

Sehlat
Music City, TN USA - Thursday, November 11, 1999 at 10:56:55 (EST) from libbkr197.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Sharon, Just trying to prevent more of those bad, bummed out feelings that you have. Note that huge numbers of maternal abortion survivors, having decided that 'once is more than enough', have joined the pro-life movement.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Thursday, November 11, 1999 at 09:39:01 (EST) from port-2-44.sei.one.net
Every so often I'll stalk your website to see your smooth, hot, sensuous, sexy, Republican-repressed body in action, as well as the lively comments you inspire. Check out my site (if you dare) at (it's very libertarian, so beware!)
Jim Koy <JAMESPKOY@webtv.net>
Hollywood, CA USA - Thursday, November 11, 1999 at 03:59:35 (EST) from proxy-337.public.rwc.webtv.net
Well Jim, since you took it upon yourself to link a picture of me in with a list of porn pictures, I have removed the link to your little web site.
It's so sad. So many women find themselves pregnant and don't seem to know how they got that way. Then they have an abortion and don't seem to know what it was they had aborted. And then they claim they worry about being made to feel guilty. Huh? How can anyone so insensitive ever feel guilty? It's really sad. I would love to turn my back on this issue and just walk away from it, but so many unknowing and uncaring women are infecting our whole society with a pervasive malaise that cries out for a reinvention of humanity and a return to caring.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Thursday, November 11, 1999 at 01:09:08 (EST) from 207-172-139-189.s62.as11.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Sharon, as long as abortion is freely available, then there is no reason for us to seriously care about women who are pregnant, penniless, and alone - after all, they can just get abortions. What kind of pro-woman society ignores the social and economic problems that leave women pregnant, penniless and alone, and instead insist that she surgically alter HER body as a response to them?
Brenda
Waterloo, Canada - Thursday, November 11, 1999 at 00:29:58 (EST) from fitch.math.uwaterloo.ca
O, Sharon of Dundee, with your overweening ignorance and abject moral blindness, you almost make me ashamed of my Scottish blood!

I've never asked Carolyn why she maintains a pro-life section on her personal site, as well as RightGrrl! and the Pro-Life Web Ring, but I suppose her reasons are similar to those which animated me to post a pro-life page on my site and to found the Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League. I want to end the genocide of abortion as a substitute for contraception and the exercise of personal responsibility, a genocide which has claimed, and continues to claim, the lives of over one million American children each year since Roe v. Wade. I want to expose the injustice and horror of abortion and to dissuade people from using it. I want to make abortion illegal except in the rare instances where it is medically necessary to preserve a mother's life and perhaps where it may serve justice in the case of rape or incest. In both cases, the choice should be the mother's, and I can only hope that she will give due consideration to her child.
For thousands of years and in most cultures, chattel slavery was not only legal but was considered moral as well. Here in the U.S., slavery was so integral to the national economy, especially in the South, that it had to be accommodated within the Constitution in order to achieve ratification. Many learned men argued that slavery was so important that its abolition would "never happen." The infamous Dred Scott decision in 1857 asserted that slaves were merely property and could not be citizens under the Constitution; in other words, slaves had no rights because they weren't human beings. After a brutal, bloody, four-year civil war, slavery was abolished in the United States when the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified in 1865. By the beginning of this century, slavery had been eradicated in the Western countries and has been viewed with fervent moral revulsion ever since.
With the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, the Supreme Court asserted that a woman had a "right to privacy" which allowed her to treat her preborn child as property to be disposed of at her discretion even if that meant killing the child in utero. Thus it repeated the moral error of Dred Scott by stripping the fetus of her humanity and her rights as a human being. Though judicial fiat made feticide a form of legal homicide, absent a credible threat to the mother's life, the innocence of the victim makes abortion the moral equivalent of murder. If women who abort their children feel any guilt, it is because they know what they've done. Guilt is the natural emotional reaction to wrongdoing and an impetus against a future repetition of the morally offensive behavior. Even so, we pro-life advocates aren't motivated by a desire to make these women "feel even more guilty." We wish to secure the rights of the preborn and to create conditions that will allow such women to avoid committing the horrible act of abortion. Like slavery before it, abortion will be abolished.

Finally, for my dear friend Carolyn, though I only partially know the hurt inflicted by the all-too-many "Sharons" of the Web when they pop up to spew their venom upon you, I am in awe of your resilience and perseverance in the face of their ignorance, fear, and hatred. You and your online activism are shining beacons of hope and inspiration to us all. Thanks for everything you do for the cause of justice and freedom for the most innocent and helpless members of the human family. With leaders like you, we will end the genocide of abortion.
--Matt Wallace, aka The Compleat Heretic (a conservative, Republican, traditionalist, pro-life, Army veteran, Secular Humanist atheist) & founder/webmaster of the Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League

James Matthew Wallace <compleatheretic@yahoo.com>
Greensboro, NC USA - Wednesday, November 10, 1999 at 21:45:11 (EST) from pool-209-139-137-114-atln.grid.net
Thank you for your website on abortion. I am also for making late-term abortion illegal. By the way, Sharon from Dundee - I have eight kids (four adopted that were previously homeless at 6 years old), and gave a child up for adoption that I had after I was raped at 12 years old. The four I gave birth to were mostly born when my husband and I were out of work (maybe work is a good form of birth control? - ha ha). My parents (also against abortion) adopted nine homeless children, three of whom were "special children". This is aside from the six they already had. There are alternatives to abortion. You just have to able to give up enough of yourself to keep your options open, and realize that suddenly the big picture is not about you.
Pamala <ix8ye@altavista.net>
Santa Clara, CA USA - Wednesday, November 10, 1999 at 19:32:55 (EST) from hq.vastsystems.com
i like the way you 'Pro-Life feminists' have to go back to the 19th century to show that *other* Pro-Life feminists exsisted, we are nearly in the 21st century & i find it laughable for you to have to go back as far as that to 'prove' that yr not really just some religious group set about to end abortion completely. i don't know whether you heard about this but a young girl of 15 fell pregnant as was actually PAID by a catholic priest to KEEP the baby & NOT have an abortion, she was paid something like £2000 which is a hell of a lot of money to a 15 year old especially. i found the whole matter completely shocking & disgraceful - to, with no shame, BRIBE a young girl into not having an abortion! did she want this child? no. will she still want it when it's born? no. will she grow up feeling resentment for the priest? yes. feeling stupid for being BRIBED into having a unwanted child? YES. what is the point of having a child you didn't plan for? what if a woman was raped? would you still expect her to have the rapist child?! what about sexual assault on young girls, would you expect them to have the baby if it was say, their FATHER whom got them pregnant?!... i thought/believed feminism to mean PRO-CHOICE. the way i see it is as it's either Pro-Choice or NO CHOICE. yes, abortions are nasty, harrowing, depressing things to have to have, do you really believe women have abortions for the hell of it?! NO. it's because they are DESPERATE. all sensible women take precautions so as NOT to get pregnant, but if ,by chance, these methods happen to FAIL what are they expected to do in the world of Pro-Life? have the unwanted child? live their whole life resenting that child for ruining their life? is that what you really want to see happen? not only is all types of contraception there for a reason, it also serves a purpose to society - if everyone that had sexual intercourse didn't use contraception (because of religion or because it was banned or whatever...) see how overcrowded the world would be! Countries like the US & UK would turn into overpopulated, 3rd world countries due to lack of goverment funding for all the new children being born. abortion is there when a woman is desperate NOT to have a child, she probably DID use contraception - but not all contraception is 100% faultless, she needs to be able to have a CHOICE - not all women who fall unexpectadely pregnant do get abortions, but it's the fact that there is at least a CHOICE of whether to or NOT. that is what is important. i think any woman interested in the welfare & health or women should understand that & respect it. abortions are horrible experiences but we should set about trying to IMPROVE abortions & abortion clinics, making them MORE woman friendly & safer & less painful, we should set about helping each other to discover NATURAL abortion; herbs & medicines that induce abortion. we shouldn't say that abortion is BAD & should be stopped/made illegal because women will STILL have abortions anyway. they'll just be far more dangerous, unhealthy & unpleasant. i hope you have understood some of my points? i don't want this to be read (or ignored even) & then forgotten - i speak as a young, modern, concerned feminist woman. i also can't help but feel that a lot of these sentiments for Pro-Life come from religious ideas, i know a few religious groups are Pro-Lifer's and i don't think religion should have ANYTHING to do with womens welfare today, most religions are sexist & misogynist anyway. i personally don
angela <angela-black@excite.com>
Scotland, UK - Wednesday, November 10, 1999 at 15:32:13 (EST) from ppp-3-44.cvx5.telinco.net
Angela stated that she didn't want me to ignore this, so I haven't. Here is my response
why have this page, what do you want to happen... abortion made illegal. It will never happen. Carolyn how many kids do you have? How many times have you found yourself pregnant, penniless and alone. All your site does is makes women who have had an abortion feel even more guilty. Thanks for nothing.
sharon <s.hutt@dundee.ac.uk>
scotland - Wednesday, November 10, 1999 at 07:17:07 (EST) from C4-C5.public.dundee.ac.uk
I like your website my best friend loves marvin and i send one picture to her thanks
Ivan Soto <bsoto77960@aol.com>
San Antonio, Tx USA - Tuesday, November 09, 1999 at 21:44:15 (EST) from spider-wl051.proxy.aol.com
Thanks for the site that deals with partial birth abortion in Missouri. I live in Jefferson City, and was at a pro life rally at the capitol bldg on the day the legislators overrode Gov. Carnahans veto. There were an estimated 3,000 to 5,000 people there and I won't soon forget it. Thanks for posting House Bill 427. It is unbelievable to me that planned parenthood can be spreading so many LIES about the bill when it is very straightforward. What is even more shameful is that our Governor is telling the same lies. I might add that he gets large campaign funds from planned parenthood. The people of Missouri have spoken and declared partial birth abortion infanticide but planned parenthood, that corporation of death, has challenged it in court so the law has not gone into effect. Please pray that in March the law is upheld in court and this horrible crime is stopped.
S
Jefferson City, Mo USA - Tuesday, November 09, 1999 at 21:03:24 (EST) from JFCYB103-46.splitrock.net
All these pro-choicers say that a fetus isn't a human life, but if someone kills a preganant woman they can receive 2 life sentences. I know this for fact, I'm a Correctional Officer.
David Smith <SREDCLOUDC@aol.com>
Lake Butler, FL USA - Tuesday, November 09, 1999 at 05:00:57 (EST) from spider-wl051.proxy.aol.com
Paul T. Evans: Your comment betrays your education in American schools. Europeans remember the Muslim Moors who 400 years after Constantine pushed all the way to Southern France before the Christians could get their act together (Song of Roland), also the Muslim Turks were knocking on the gates of Vienna before the Christian Europeans could effectively take up the sword. And then there's the Mongol hordes who added their genetic material to Europeans as far west as France. I suppose I should be happy to pay taxes for a public school system that is so totally corrupt that it has to hire Madison Avenue to run TV commercials on the model of those that portrayed ex-Gov. Keating of NJ busy explaining how clean the New Juhsey beaches were after the discovery of medical waste there.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 19:17:29 (EST) from 207-172-138-126.s63.as6.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Pamela, you're an angel, and your dad's a great example of what becoming a man is all about. It's too bad so many young men seem to think that puerility is a synonym for puberty.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 18:54:51 (EST) from 207-172-138-126.s63.as6.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
The only good fetus is a dead fetus. I'm all for late term abortions, pop it out and stomp on it for all i care. thank you for your time please email me.
Mark Black <blastedlife@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 15:32:02 (EST) from nat193.3.mpoweredpc.net
i know the way that abortion is sometimes carried out in america, it is sick. in our RE debate at school i am against abortion so if anyone has any additional info it will be recieved with a massive THANK YOU
ali <skye_scratches>
uk - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 14:06:48 (EST) from webcacheH06a.cache.pol.co.uk
i have read how they sometimes abort in america and it is sick. we are debating abortion in RE and i am against it so if anyone has anthing they want to say i will be grateful, however, there is a lot of info against abotion already! anthing will be great.
ali <skye_scratches@yahoo.com>
uk - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 14:02:45 (EST) from webcacheH06a.cache.pol.co.uk
i like ur webpage its unique neal,
neal tolentino <brinet@hotmail.com>
manila, phils - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 12:39:55 (EST) from 192.169.39.67
Excellant Marvin site, the little bloke is really cool.
Noel Gibson <mushroom@acay.com.au>
Newcastle, NSW Australia - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 06:01:35 (EST) from acay019125154.acay.com.au
Murder is Murder whether it's with a gun or suction saline or otherwise. I became pregnant twice when it wasn't perfect timing first time husband out of work myself, a low paying job. Second time just before I left my husband. Neither time did I even consider abortion although my mother ran through the house saying "abortion abortion" luckily my father asked me what I wanted to do. That was 18 & 16 yrs ago respectively, the 18 year old (son) is in college and wants to be a stockbrocker. My 16 year old (daughter) wants to be a DR. Every time I look at these two I am so happy that I never even dreamed of an abortion. These two also do not believe in abortion. My son knows and will readily tell you if he gets a girl pregnant, if he is not ready for marriage, he will be ready to financially help out, he will have the baby with him as much as possible to allow the young lady time for school, work, friends. My daughters favorite topic to write about for school papers is "The tradegy of abortion". Whoever came up with this procedure, should be tarred and feathered, then have to wear an A written in blood upon their chest, as this is a far worse crime then the Scarlet Letter ever was. What was the fellows name anyway ...Hitler Junior
Pamela <pfhiggins@woodsonproducts.com>
st.louis, mo USA - Sunday, November 07, 1999 at 23:38:59 (EST) from 208.19.229.254
I was intrigued by your Website--although I am politically WAY, WAY on the other pole from you. Re your articles re Catholic- and other Christian-bashing being politically incorrect: Isn't it a little hard to take seriously cries of "persecution" from Christians? In light of what other religious groups have had to endure in this millennium--witness the mass extermination of Jehovah's Witnesses and Jews in the Holocaust, the wholesale execution of alleged witches in Salem, and the ostracizing of pagans today. How can we take claims of "persecution" seriously from the Christians, when they have not had to face an adversary any more dangerous than Howard Stern since the time of Constantine?
Paul T. Evans <ptevans@gcfn.org>
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, November 07, 1999 at 22:12:20 (EST) from mai135p6.lib.ohio-state.edu
What's up all you marvin the martian i love marvin the martian as much as as you do!
Danielle Mack <bangbang84@hotmail.com>
Wheaton, Md USA - Sunday, November 07, 1999 at 20:31:03 (EST) from 1Cust19.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net
life begins at the time of conception and it should be outlawed. In the consitution it says the right to inocent life. Whats more inocent than a unborn child in it's mother's womb.
Sandi <Fatima1917@webtv.net>
Worcester, Ma USA - Sunday, November 07, 1999 at 12:45:47 (EST) from proxy-317.public.rwc.webtv.net
Will you tell everyone on your website that 17 of the 21 abortion clinics in and around the Cleveland, Ohio area are not licensed by the state.
Charles J. Trigilio <charly3@msn.com>
Mentor, OH USA - Saturday, November 06, 1999 at 22:49:27 (EST) from 1Cust192.tnt3.cleveland3.oh.da.uu.net
Some laws may call killing (causing the death of) a prenatal human life murder, others just a felony, but in either case only if the act violates a woman's right to choose. A woman's choice is the only thing the law protects in its mysterious and ethereal ways.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Saturday, November 06, 1999 at 22:39:03 (EST) from 207-172-139-221.s30.as12.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
This Marvin The Martian site is absolutely FANTASTIC! =-)THANK YOU very much.
'Cisco <MrClSC0@aol.com>
NY, NY USA - Saturday, November 06, 1999 at 22:38:59 (EST) from spider-tj053.proxy.aol.com
I have always been a fan of Marvin the Martian, and I would like to say that your website on him is really spectacular. It's not to easy to find very many products of Marvin here, but I collect as much as possible, and I now know some of the stuff out there of him. Thanks. -Mathew
Mathew
Cadillac, MI USA - Saturday, November 06, 1999 at 21:09:53 (EST) from cad-ppp-73.michweb.net
A machine under construction in Al Gore's home state needs redesigned. The Spallation Neutron Source will produce radioactive gold! I have asked Al Gore to consider the transmutation of mercury into gold as a method to pay off the national debt.The Spallation Neutron Source will produce many other long-lived radioactive isotopes that will be around to dispose after the machine is worn out.Thank you for your consideration.
ed miller
USA - Saturday, November 06, 1999 at 14:01:29 (EST) from host114.mrcpl.lib.oh.us
What a wonderful site! Certainly, if God doesn't judge America for her random use of abortion, homosexuality, etc., then He will, not literally of course, owe Soddom and Gommora an apology!!
David Wells <1wells@gte.net>
Cincinnati, OH USA - Saturday, November 06, 1999 at 00:24:09 (EST) from spider-wd063.proxy.aol.com
You can't throw something aside simply because it does not support your premise. Abortion is not murder, it is killing. If those terms are as interchangeable, than there is a whole swack of conservatives who are not pro-life at all by virture of their support of the death penalty (myself among them). You will never make headway in a debate by trying to rework the english language in an effort to support your cause. That's not sophistry, it's semantics. Abortion is not about whether it's "killing" or "murder", but about right and wrong - an ethical dilemma. Demonstrate someone is wrong, and you will win.
Mike <cooties@home.com>
Hamilton, On Canada - Friday, November 05, 1999 at 13:48:21 (EST) from co23895-a.hala1.on.home.com
Hello! My name is aTrina. I am doing a research paper on why I think abortion should be illegal. Well first off I think that if you get an abortion you should be should be put in jail. You got to think before you act and think about all the positive things as well as the negitive things. And before you get your abortion, think about it because you might have not been here either if your mother would have had an abortion. So think would you want your baby to die because of a mistake that you made or would you rather have it be living to make a difference in this world?? I understand that you may have to have an abortion to stay living, but you lived your life let your baby live on. And who knows maybe you will live also. Abortion is one of th hardest things to live with, because ever year you will wonder how your life would have been different if you would have had the baby. It might have been for the better or for the worse, who nows and if you get an abortion you will never know. And if you are thinking about getting an abortion, please give the baby up for adoption so it can live. So please think about what I have said, and you can email me if you like. I will be your friend. I will try to help you through you desicion, for the good or the bad. Thank You- Trina~
Trina Victoria <chickychick_23_69@yahoo.com>
Plainview, MN USA - Friday, November 05, 1999 at 13:20:41 (EST) from m001.bess.net
Thanks for adding us to the conservative ring!
Scott <sctibbs@yahoo.nospam.com>
USA - Friday, November 05, 1999 at 11:36:59 (EST) from pm2-37.blm.bluemarble.net
We Love you Mother Teresa!
Kim & Vanessa <sparkles51@hotmail.com>
Caledon, on Canada - Friday, November 05, 1999 at 11:34:37 (EST) from blue.peel.edu.on.ca
"Abortion is murder"

Burke: "Now, I highly doubt that abortionists or pregnant women who abort have malicious thoughts about the fetuses they kill."

Of course murder by legal *sophistry* is not murder. This is a clever way of avoiding realities that dont bend to one's sick prejudices. Laws dont HAVE to reflect realities, but they SHOULD TRY. Slaveholders didnt define Black's as equally human, therefore, in addition to claiming running off was a license to kill the "property" it wasnt murder to kill a slave, at most only killing, because blacks werent *legally defined* as equal *persons* so it wasnt murder *BY LAW* to kill them! Much the same exists in abortion. Slavery even had an infamous parallel SC ruling before being broken legally. Pretending the unborn child isnt human wont make that so. We could pass laws saying killing females by males isnt murder because, compared to men, women are less than human and an all male supremist panel on the USA SC decided they could interpret the Constitution to show this, as they fantasized in Roe. It could in theory pass in law, and then killing women WOULDNT LEGALLY be murder, But we know its sophistry. If you think this is silly, consider WOMEN ONCE WERE thought of literally as property. Susan B. Anthony and other suffragists fought that notion and the laws and Constitution, a living document, had to be AMMENDED to revise inhumane and sexist conditions under law for women. No valid evidence exists to believe lifers are wrong in their position. Being right has nothing to do with it. Its all about politics, selfishness, and greed/money. A woman and an abortionist DOES have malice of forethought in spades multiple triplicate. Because they are intending to KILL, and, sophistry aside, to murder a life for conveinence. Its all a question of making the laws reflect the reality of the situation, just like in slavery...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, November 05, 1999 at 10:36:10 (EST) from ip108.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Dear Caro, I think your Al Gore page is funny! Are you setting up a Bradley page? I am from Colorado, living in Switzerland.
Drew Schaefer <Drew@romandie.com>
Hermance, Switz - Friday, November 05, 1999 at 08:47:18 (EST) from deckpoint.inforum99.ch
Just always remember that I will always love you Hollie(my one and only Angel)your truley John
Jonathan Bueter <Jonathanbueter@aol.com>
Cocoa , FL USA - Friday, November 05, 1999 at 01:20:46 (EST) from spider-to028.proxy.aol.com
Renegade: Have you persuaded anyone lately to think the way U think? I would say you tried but failed even to convince yourself not to try to change other people to think the way U think--whatever you call yourself.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 23:24:05 (EST) from 207-172-138-88.s25.as6.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
I am convinced that God used the ancient Persians and the Zoroastrian religion to help form the conscience of the Jews and the early Christians whom we read about in the Bible.

Supposedly, we have free will; but God seems to do an awful lot of "using" of people for his ends. This implies hard divine determinism. I guess we only have free will when it suits the rest of Christian mythology.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 22:51:25 (EST) from 147.226.152.78


Phrankly, my dear, I am a communist. OK, comuunism doesen't really work, we have seen that, but the thought is great.

A thought that didn't work is great? Maybe we should go back to ether...
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 22:48:36 (EST) from 147.226.152.78


abortion is murder

Abortion is defintely killing, but "murder" is a legal term, a necessary condition of which is malice aforethought. Now, I highly doubt that abortionists or pregnant women who abort have malicious thoughts about the fetuses they kill. The question is really whether or not the abortive killing is morally wrong.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 22:45:05 (EST) from 147.226.152.78


That Renegade Master person's post reminds me of how middle school kids like to learn the swear words of a foreign language first. Maybe in a few years this person will be proficient in English. Or - maybe not. Maybe his/her disturbed thought processes interfere with learning anything.
Susan
CA USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 19:40:48 (EST) from ppp-173-58.lodinet.com
Hey Pro-Abort err Choice thats a good idea why don't you move to Japan or Germany!
RAD-Cnsrv <rad_cnsrv@vote4gop.org>
USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 19:06:03 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
I do not understand how people can be so arrogant as to impose an Anti-choice position other people when they have NO proof that their anti-choice position is correct. Simple as this: a woman should be allowed to have an abortion until proven otherwise, just like guilty until proven innocent. But, of course, the anti-choicer does not care about that, but simply wants to enforce his/her opinion on everyone else. The true aim of the anti-choice movement is to have total control over people who think differently than that anti-choicer, and to either reduce them to nothing, or convert them. For further information, see an interesting post that I found, and agree with, on a Yahoo! club: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/insupportoftheright2choose I really do hope that the Anti-Choicer never does succeed in illegalizing abortion -- including 9 month abortions -- because then I would rather be living in Japan or Germany.
Pro-Choice <Pro@choice.com>
PC, PC USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 17:27:39 (EST) from car69.lib.rochester.edu
Interesting - the post that this person "found" was one that he himself wrote.
Seems Renegade Master has severe mental- problems I'd advise seeking a lock mental ward with padded cells and lotsa Thorazine Renegade But even that may not help ya Renegade Master's website seems to be in all spanish too why would anyone name a site after satan and the Anti-Christ????
Conservative Renegade Klingon
err make that planet : Kronos - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 14:44:35 (EST) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
My, what a strange message from the person below. "Ol Dirty Bastard" is the name of hip-hop performer . . . and I thought you were into heavy metal, Carolyn! Gee, are you full of surprises . . .
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 14:32:58 (EST) from fw.usip.edu
Holy sh**! U R 1 wretched looser! Watta was that "banner-ad-boycott" all about!? Phrankly, my dear, I am a communist. OK, comuunism doesen't really work, we have seen that, but the thought is great. And U fraggin a-hole R against that! Yes, I am a bi-sexual. So let the people be what they wanna be! I don't really watch USA's politics, cause they all are sex-freaked meatheads, but when I were lookin' you're stooped page, I noticed that U have this stooped banner "Vote Carolyn"-thing. If U R against sumthin, don't try to change other people to think way U think U dirty ol' bastard!
Renegade Master <yacce@cyberdude.com>
Uprocking Bi**, F*** ya! Xgnorgeya - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 10:58:17 (EST) from kapy-out.kakku.saunalahti.fi
Donald: "I singled out biological paternity because it is often ignored in debates about reproductive choices and about when, where, how, and with what a human life begins."

I hope Carolyn doesnt think continuing this is uncourtesy-like! :P

I AGREE 100% Donald!!! It really makes no logical sense. Actually, the problem with the argument against fathers rights to block an abortion is often excused because people CLAIM "hes not a father yet". But he is. Like it or not. He incurs state forced child support and prenatal fund owing as well. If he refuses to be supportive DURING PREGNANCY, several states will question his right to overturn an adoption placement. Its irrational in the extreme to suggest the "clock starts" for men at BIRTH. It doesnt...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, November 04, 1999 at 08:59:41 (EST) from ip99.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hi, I like to mention that I'm very upset since the death of Princess Diana. She is a true lady and devoting person who showed the world that there is nothing can compared for love. Love makes us joyful and also if we learn to love each other, I'm sure Princess Diana's spirit will remain with happiness till eternity. I hope that in the next century and hopefully that never happened again, there will be nomore war. We have already suffered from such a nightmare disaster that brought many lives to an ends. Plz, make peace, love one another and create happiness as for the sake of our beloving ture Lady, Princess Diana. Luv Tia =) 99'
Tia Ung
Phnom Penh, Cambodia - Wednesday, November 03, 1999 at 20:58:49 (EST) from dialup-melax18157.mpx.com.au
I realy like this Website because Marvin is on it
Marvin Lover
Bismarck, ND USA - Wednesday, November 03, 1999 at 19:59:13 (EST) from bti5800-1-p1384.btigate.com
Princess Diana was a very inteligent, loving, careing for her-self just as well as others. She left behind a wonderful family, her will manly laft for her boys. thank you princess diana for being helpful in the world.
ALISON ROWENA LINDEBOOM
USA - Wednesday, November 03, 1999 at 14:33:04 (EST) from 168.23.254.20
DIANA WAS A VERY KIND AND GIVINGFUL WOMEN WHO DID NOT DISURVE TO DIE.
TARA LEIGH MCLEMORE
USA - Wednesday, November 03, 1999 at 14:28:51 (EST) from 168.23.254.20
Jen, some points to consider:

1) Having money doesn't mean that one is going to be a good parent. Not having money doesn't mean that one is going to be a bad parent.

2) More women die from hormonal birth control every year than from anorexia. Will this be taken into consideration when medicating these welfare recipients? Or will they be "required" to take these often dangerous drugs without going through the appropriate medical tests to ensure that those drugs won't maim or kill them?

3) Welfare recipients who have abortions either have to pay for them themselves, or get some sort of help in doing so. If they're paying for them themselves, it would be a lot cheaper for them to get their own birth control, and education would be considerably more appropriate than coercion in achieving this. If they're not paying for them themselves, then why are their abortions funded, but not their birth control? FORCING them to take birth control won't achieve anything but expended energy that OFFERING it to them won't.
Brenda
Waterloo, Canada - Wednesday, November 03, 1999 at 10:48:25 (EST) from magnus.math.uwaterloo.ca


There are problems with that idea, Jen. All of the hormonal forms of B.C. have abortifacient potential. Also they are not clinically applicable to all women for serious medical reasons. It would be hard for the condom police to monitor the use of barriers. How about a big brother camera in every room??? :-P How about sex police, hoHO! Probably the best welfare deal is to arrange the scale and benefits so that everyone is better off working than not working. People would learn to adapt behaviorally. There were some stupid ideas to give welfare recipients bank cards or debit cards for the sake of their self esteem. It would be better to distribute more non $ benefits directly to kids so that parents could not funnel welfare money into drug habits or other non essential things. For example, kids' clothing should be marked on the inside so it cannot be returned to stores by mommie for $$. (You learn hard lessons in a retail environment.) Also, the period during which babies are warehoused in the foster system should be shortened further. Adoption should be faster and permanent.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, November 03, 1999 at 08:49:22 (EST) from port-2-26.sei.one.net
I would just like to say thank you for such an awesome pro-life website. I needed ideas for my critical issues class where we discuss issues such as this, and you have given some great supports for me to use. thanks.
Alison M.
USA - Tuesday, November 02, 1999 at 21:58:35 (EST) from dwuproxy.DWU.edu
I love your marvin the martian web site. The first thing that I noticed was the pointer. Could you mail the program to me, if not no problem. Thanks for the downloads.
Matthew <nonematthew@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, November 02, 1999 at 18:27:26 (EST) from spider-tr014.proxy.aol.com
abortion is murder
christina
wv USA - Tuesday, November 02, 1999 at 13:09:22 (EST) from 129.71.132.62
But they cannot be so without the other, so a case for biological paternity already implies that of biological maternity, so I am not clear on what you mean here... PLM: Courtesy dictates that we not continue this exchange, but you've got it! A fertilized egg has a biological mother and father for the rest of his/her human life and beyond, until all family and public memory fails, and God forgets. I singled out biological paternity because it is often ignored in debates about reproductive choices and about when, where, how, and with what a human life begins. Furthermore, for God to withhold the human soul and personal identity from a new human being until some gestational or extrauterine point in time to be determined only by a mother and her doctor, as many religious people argue, denies the very existence of a God of humankind. The soul, the self, human identity, human personhood, all are inseparable and, for them to have any true meaning, must be inseparable from a human being at the moment when a new life begins at conception.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Tuesday, November 02, 1999 at 11:36:05 (EST) from 207-172-139-11.s11.as9.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
I'm doing a paper for collage on requiring welfare recipients to use birth control so they won't have more children when they can't care for the ones they have. I believe this would actually decrease the number of abortions. Any ideas??? I would like brief comments from both sides.
Jen <jenkids@bellsouth.net>
USA - Tuesday, November 02, 1999 at 01:02:51 (EST) from host-209-214-44-138.mob.bellsouth.net
Tara: Briefly, tradition teaches us that the early Christians were opposed to abortion. Scripturally, the administration of drugs (sorcery in the English New Testament, "pharmakia" in the Greek from whence the English "pharmacy") which were used to induce abortion before the time of Christ was roundly condemned by the Apostles. The practice of drug induced abortion probably came from Persia where, around 600 years before Christ, it was condemned by Zoroaster and the Zoroastrian religion. ("The Vendidad," Ch. xv, 1-2) It is perhaps instructive that the Magi (Zoroastrian priests) who came to Bethlehem to see the Christchild came not to counsel abortion, but to proclaim life. The term applied to Christ, "King of Kings," is a Persian construct which surely the Magi would have known. Palestine and Israel were under a strong cultural influence from Persia going back to the Persian King Cyrus the Great who freed the Jews from their Babylonian captivity. I am convinced that God used the ancient Persians and the Zoroastrian religion to help form the conscience of the Jews and the early Christians whom we read about in the Bible.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, November 01, 1999 at 20:39:41 (EST) from 207-172-138-219.s28.as8.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
"Because the case for biological paternity rests solely on conception as the begining of human life, (1) only the perverse or the irrational argue that abortion does not destroy a human life."

Biological paternity is impossible without biological maternity. At fertilization, which is prior to implantation, the DNA fuses and nucleates, thus its impossible, totally, to argue sperm and egg are just life on a continuum. They dont divide. They have reached the apex of their development and the code isnt the same and able to sustain human life because that is not possible with 23 chromosomes as in sperm and egg alone. There is no connection between human life lost as in abortion, and sperm and egg cells lost in masturbation or menstruation. Once fertilization, and later pregnancy, is initiated, the woman is already a mother and the man is already a father. But they cannot be so without the other, so a case for biological paternityalready implies that of biological maternity, so I am not clear on what you mean here...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, November 01, 1999 at 17:54:57 (EST) from ip253.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


The abortion debate breaks down into two aspects, one about truth and understanding, the other about attitude. Because the case for biological paternity rests solely on conception as the begining of human life, (1) only the perverse or the irrational argue that abortion does not destroy a human life. Ignoring both the perverse and the irrational, the debate about abortion reduces to (2) one's attitude toward destroying human life. The abortionists and the rest of the death culture know that they are destroying human life, but their attitude is that they don't care, or that deliberately destroying a human life is socially justified. (Doesn't that sound like an argument for acts of war?) Unfortunately, the attitude of the American electorate doesn't seem to care about voting to bring some kind of reason and social integrity to this cultural war over the so called "Population Bomb." Therein lies the debate: the Supreme Court declared Constitutional war on immigrants in utero, and the American people and their representatives have said, in effect, that the unrestricted destruction of human immigrants in the womb and on the delivery table is sort of like God's will. Only suspicion and distrust can thrive in such an invironment, and that is probably just the kind of Heglian dialectics that our great social engineers and their vociferous little disciples have in mind.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, November 01, 1999 at 14:10:18 (EST) from 207-172-137-157.s30.as3.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
I would just like to ask how all of your opinions could be changed so suddenly. I am a student doing a pro-life paper and I would just like your input. Thank you and please e-mail me your response.
Tina <Teeny1129@hotmail.com>
LITH, IL USA - Monday, November 01, 1999 at 09:22:59 (EST) from d158.k12.il.us
I HAVE LOST TWO BABIES FROM MISCARRIGE,2MONTHS ALONG....AND 4MONTHS ALONG...I LOOKED AT BOTH BABIES BOTH SUCH MIRACLES FORMED WITH LITTLE FEATURES..MY SON AT 4MONTHS CAME OUT SUCKING HIS THUMB AND DIED. CHECK OUT THIS WEB SIGHT!!!!!!!
mary <marys2angels@aol.com>
GrandRapids, MI USA - Sunday, October 31, 1999 at 19:49:46 (EST) from spider-wl043.proxy.aol.com
This is hillarious...another rant from PLM, just like APLM wanted. You're funny; but I don't think you know that.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, October 31, 1999 at 16:02:07 (EST) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
From what I've seen you have a Great web site! "I find it a great, great poverty that a child must die because we are afraid to feed one more child, to educate one more child. The fear of feeding one more old person in the family means that that person must be put away, and yet one day we too have to meet the Master." What will we answer to Him about that child, that old father and mother, because they are His creation, they are children of God." ~ Mother Teresa of Calcutta Please visit us! You may request free sacramentals from our apostolate. Peace and God bless you. Marlene
THE SEVEN DOLORS OF MARY <7dolors@icdc.com>
PA USA - Saturday, October 30, 1999 at 19:39:38 (EDT) from peco.35.endevour.icdc.com
You will always be remembed,as our Queen of hearts rest in peace sadly missed.
mandy kettley <david.kettley2@dreamcast.com>
west midlands, england - Saturday, October 30, 1999 at 17:33:38 (EDT) from 62.6.148.140
Great Site! I have to visit more often.
Robert H. Goetz <RGoetz9230@AOL.Com>
Chicago, , Il USA - Saturday, October 30, 1999 at 11:02:42 (EDT) from spider-wc072.proxy.aol.com
Jesus, it's been a while since old PLM posted a rant. Come on, PLM... you running out of gas? Anti-Prolifeman

Rant? I never run out of gas, but I am tired of proaborts who cant even accurately describe biological realities WRT PBA/LTA. People who mislead people about this, often with tragic results and in the debate arena spreading ignorance and pretending to understand what is involved, mouthing abortion industry flagrent lies and half truths like they were dispensing facts. People that dont understand earlier term abortion proceedures, why they are used or preferred, and cannot figure out the purpose of brain sucking of the baby in those because they dont understand dialation and tearing of the vaginal opening vs the cervix, who cannot comprehend the moot point in tearing either in Episiotomy or to the neck/mouth of the womb/uterus when you forcept grab and breech an infant, sending the *widest portion* thru in girth, in a non-emergency proceedure and the sillyness in suggesting you collapse the skull to prevent tearing. It just doesnt work that way, and doctors without intent to kill would scoff at that. If she hasnt dialated enough yet given this reverse passage of the body EXCEPT the head, you arent going to need to worry much about the skull diameter doing ANYTHING that the mother is going to feel that she hasnt already by that point assuming shes conscious! I am sick of borts reading off of NARAL'a site who cant figure out the distance/dimensions between opening of vagina, vaginal canal, and cervix, and where the babys body (& the approximate size of babys head too) is in a PBA and claiming abortionists are going to be "at risk" of using PBA (as opposed to LTA) at ANY stage of fetal development when that is a bunch of crap in praxis, at least. Is this what you mean by "rant"? As for being anti-prolifeman, I gather you are against people that try to save children from being murdered on a daily basis? That's my intention basically everywhere I go in life.

Carolyn: Maybe he has better things to do than post in my silly little guestbook :)

You are correct in that I am currently busy trying to counsel two crisis pregnancies to term (online!) and in refuting NARAL blind mouthers who are helping women be victimized by the fact that so many lies exist politically motivated and expressed medically, that average women, even very smart ones, are hard pressed to give informed consent to abortion, and I am beginning to feel especially sorry for one such post-abortive woman's plight after being educated by her humbly, but I dont consider your guestbook or sites silly, Carolyn! :)

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Saturday, October 30, 1999 at 10:33:56 (EDT) from ip202.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Here's an idea for a new webring - Psycho-Losers. To qualify for a site you must be able to document that you have been called a PL-er or psychotic.
Jim S - another PL-er
USA - Friday, October 29, 1999 at 08:26:46 (EDT) from HOST_177.ira.rl.af.mil
Great page. I am doing a piece of coursework on abortion at the moment for GCSE RE and will use reference to this page for sure. If you or anyone else reading this page knows anything about the christian views on abortion I would be very grateful as I am finding hard to get this particular info. Please E-mail with help.
Tara Martin <Tigger@rainbows.ndirect.co.uk>
London, U.K - Friday, October 29, 1999 at 07:15:37 (EDT) from th-pm03-57.ndirect.co.uk
Just dancing around the internet, Chris person from AFL (anarhists for life).
Chris Welsh <koat@mindspring.com>
phoenix, Az USA - Thursday, October 28, 1999 at 17:16:26 (EDT) from fw-3-e1.phx3.mindspring.net
It's been a while, Carolyn, but I thought I'd poke my head in and say hello. Hello.
Jeff C, the other psycho-loser in NJ <vagabond@intac.com>
NJ USA - Thursday, October 28, 1999 at 14:42:31 (EDT) from ika.fw-bc.sony.com
your site is pretty good but needs more pictures, marvin the martian is the coolest cause he's sooooooo cute and cause he's not typical like the rest besides k-9 of course
emma scurr <scurrel@student.wa.edu.com.aau>
perth, w.a Australia - Thursday, October 28, 1999 at 04:53:48 (EDT) from ns-1.pc.wa.edu.au
Trinity: Your karma (Sanskrit for facts) sucks monsoon mud in an Indian sacred-cow pasture. Just call me Sahib, o Swami, and don't lose your way in your ascent to nirvana.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Thursday, October 28, 1999 at 01:35:51 (EDT) from 207-172-138-173.s46.as7.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Heya Carolyn, Whazzat "Trinity" thang doing---telling you how to live, and telling you your page is wrong??? hoHO!
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 23:00:01 (EDT) from port-3-14.sei.one.net
Incredible site sweetheart. It never stops amazing me just how fantastic the Pro -Life movement really is. thanks for all the great links. Keep up the good work girlfriend.
KatherineKalynuik <butterflykiszes@hotmail.com>
Port Colborne, canada - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 21:14:25 (EDT) from stn-on3-23.netcom.ca
You have a great web page on Marvin. You had a lot of great info and great pictures keep up the good work.
Jamie <tiponiel_grey@Juno.com>
Idaho Falls, ID USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 18:20:56 (EDT) from 1Cust75.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net
Please be aware that in the 1999 session of the General Assembly of Maryland in Annapolis; "assisted suicide" was made a crime in Maryland. The bill in the Senate of Maryland was sponsored by Senator Norman Stone, Jr., and the bill in the House of Delegates was sponsored by Delegate Thomas Dewberry [both of Baltimore County]. "Democrats for Life of America, Inc." http://democratsforlife.org is off and running. Check out the web site. If you are a Democrat, please join in the crusade to make the Democratic Party pro life again. Efforts to organize a "Maryland Democrates for Life" are now underway. http://MDforL@listbot.com Please join us. There is a good base of pro life Democrates in the Maryland General Assembly. We must build on the base and make the Maryland Denocratic Party pro life again. "God bless you all real well." Tom [thomasjohnmartin@hotmail.com]
Mr. Thomas John Martin, O.P. <thomasjohnmartin@hotmail.com>
Owings - 20736-8904, Md USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 13:48:46 (EDT) from 198.76.226.87
I have now been assimilated into the Borg since our ransom demands were not met
Resistance is fetile you will be assimilated

Marvin of Borg
USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 12:38:31 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
I LOVE MARVIN THE MARTIAN!!!!!! He is my favorite charater in the whole world. Find more pictures.
tiffany frank
bethel, ohio USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 12:26:20 (EDT) from costello.hccanet.org
GET RID OF THE PAULA JONES SUPPORT BANNER
tim mcintyre <mcintyretim@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 12:08:35 (EDT) from 206.231.172.140
Gee, Carolyn, now you're a "psycho loser" -- is that the same as being somewhat psychotic (heh heh . . .)
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 09:35:55 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
Hi! Fantastic site. I'm going to be here a while! Thanks for your work. Peace. (If you feel it's appropriate for your site, would you consider my site for a link?)
MommyAllTheTime/Unplanned Pregnancy
USA - Tuesday, October 26, 1999 at 14:28:56 (EDT) from 083-208-170-209.pm3-2.lv.wizard.com
Carolyn I'd be surprised if Trinity even knows how to write HTML code period P.S I think your websites kick butt!
Radical-Conservative
USA - Tuesday, October 26, 1999 at 13:25:13 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Good site. I like the style. Check out my virtual tour of Beale St. at http://www.seebeale.com
Kris Yates <kyates@wspice.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Tuesday, October 26, 1999 at 01:25:12 (EDT) from adsl-78-128-240.mem.bellsouth.net
What a ridiculous waste of bandwidth. You pycho loser. Karma always comes back on despicable dogmatic people like you. BTW your pages SUCK!!! Go back to HTML school you pieces of shit instead of wasting peoples time telling them what right and wrong and how to live their
Trinity <trinity@archaeology.com>
USA - Tuesday, October 26, 1999 at 00:56:31 (EDT) from 1Cust233.tnt7.santa-monica.ca.da.uu.net
Jesus, it's been a while since old PLM posted a rant. Come on, PLM... you running out of gas?
Anti-Prolifeman
USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 23:39:25 (EDT) from 147.226.152.82
Maybe he has better things to do than post in my silly little guestbook :)
Great page! People need places to rant and rave, so good that you have provided the net with one! By the way, my page is a ranting and rambling ype page, if you would want to add it to your link section! I am sure to add yours!
Rachel <paradox364@yahoo.com>
Dawson, PA USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 18:44:07 (EDT) from s197.lcsys.com
"Terra" You forgot about adoption. There are people standing in line, waiting for a baby to adopt. You don't have to kill the kid even if you don't feel able to raise him/her. Also, ditch the worthless, wimpy guy who got you pregnant, :-P :-P and does not want the kid. You don't need him to continue screwing up your life. ( Maybe get a real man later, when you are older and know how to find one.) Would hate to see your 'sperm donor' continue to get girls pregnant, and encouraging them to kill the kids. Sounds as though he is not fit to be a father.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 18:39:30 (EDT) from port-2-3.sei.one.net
you have a very nice website. you're a very smart and interesting-seeming person. keep it up!
Heather <theoriginalspfan@hotmail.com>
MD USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 18:02:06 (EDT) from 208-58-214-224.s224.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com
Dear Terra: Please don't do something you know is wrong. If you can't keep the baby, please put the child up for adoption. While it is painful, when this child grows up at least he/she will know his biological mother had enough love not to allow him/her to be sucked into the garbage. There are many intact, two parent families desperate to adopt. Or, if you are at all able, keep the baby. But, for God's sake, don't kill it. God bless you adam
Adam Redfield <adam_redfield@timeinc.com>
New York, NY USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 17:15:59 (EDT) from gate.timeinc.com
I am struggling with the decision of abortion or to have my baby. I am a Christian and believe in pro-life. On the other hand I am only 18 and I am in my first semester of college. So in other words I am flat broke. I am still with the father but he does not want the baby. It is a constant fight between the two of us. I don't know what to do or how I will support the baby if I do keep him/her. Please give any advice you recommend. Thank-you
Terra <BPandTZ@aol.com>
Lewiston, ID USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 16:20:49 (EDT) from spider-wc053.proxy.aol.com
Please do not abort you child -- I know people who will help you care for your child if you keep him/her, and, I know people who would adopt your child.
I really enjoyed the website. It gave me alot of good pictures for my Biography essay. Thanks!!!!!!!
Tiffany Taylor
Indianapolis, IN USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 12:24:25 (EDT) from bess-proxy.esc.ips.k12.in.us
Sarah, Sorry to inform you but you have Marvin's stunt double we have the real Marvin and will assimilate him into The Borg in 12 hours unless Carolyn puts a Pinky and The Brain page up Resistance is fetile
Pinky,The Brain and The Borg
USA - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 12:13:45 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
i have kidnaped marvin give me all his pictures and i will give them back love ya kiss kiss hug hug
sarah <sarza204@hotmail.com>
geelong, vic australia - Monday, October 25, 1999 at 05:59:49 (EDT) from GEIP-A-001-pool-43.tmns.net.au
Neat site, was reading some comments on your pro-life section, and am wondering when these people (liberals) will begin worshipping baal again!
Kevin McMAhon <klmmlm@sd.cybernex.net>
USA - Sunday, October 24, 1999 at 19:47:04 (EDT) from csd11-054.sd.cybernex.net
I love Marvin. Thanks for appreciating him as much as I do. I hopefully will see more of your websites in the near future, some of the comments from previous guests sound extremely interesting and educating. KJL
Karlie <Klewis28happy@aol.com>
Lubbock, Tx USA - Saturday, October 23, 1999 at 21:57:40 (EDT) from spider-tr023.proxy.aol.com
I love your web site! I'm obbsessed with Marvin, so your web site is definently bookmarked for me to see all the time!
Jessica <babygirlwannabe@writeme.com>
Poulsbo, wa USA - Saturday, October 23, 1999 at 19:45:07 (EDT) from ppp24.amouse.net
Hey...just wanted to say thanks for giving me somewhere to vent my pet peeves...what a great idea! But you really should get seperate guestbooks...I almost walked outta here without signing!
Chrissy <chrissy143@myTalk.com>
NJ USA - Friday, October 22, 1999 at 19:55:35 (EDT) from 1Cust213.tnt3.rahway.nj.da.uu.net
i love marvin the martian he is so cute. please if you get any good pictures send them my way.
corrie Potter <chickdea@hotmail.com>
BLuefield, VA USA - Friday, October 22, 1999 at 16:22:39 (EDT) from 208.11.226.237
Dear Mr. Ed Hensley of Los Angeles, CA: Today I received your e-mail and was deeply impressed by the story of your conversion. It took great faith, courage, and objectivity for you to come around to the pro-life position after 26 years! Well, I am in the same boat! (To find out why I am pro-life, please read my personal Christian pro-life testimony, "God Is Proud of You: A Story of Rape, Abortion, and Salvation," posted on the Website of Priests for Life [http://www.priestsforlife.org] Incidentally, the title, "God Is Proud of You," was Fr. Pavone's idea, not mine!) I have also reviewed the "Abortion TV" Website and found that it has EVERYTHING--and then some! This pro-life site is so profound and educational, yet, just as you said, it is done in a gentle, tactful way, yet can still have an intense impact! (Wait till I tell my sidewalk counseling director about "Abortion TV!") While I believe being gentle and discreet is the best way to convince people of the sanctity of life, I also agree with you that the truth needs to be told! God bless you and prosper you in your pro-life efforts!--Holly Dutton, Pro-Life Activist, Dallas, TX; member, Santuario Guadalupe Cathedral, Bishop's Pro-Life Speakers' Guild, and White Rose Pregnancy Center, all of Dallas, TX; sidewalk counselor(my most important job!); public speaker on hard-case abortions(mine was one, as my testimony reveals); rape, the sanctity of life, chastity, marital fidelity; author of pro-life news stories and poetry.
Holly Dutton <HMDutton@Hotmail.com>
Dallas, TX USA - Thursday, October 21, 1999 at 21:41:56 (EDT) from 205.165.161.167
I feel that abortion is murder. I also feel sorry for those misled into believing that they are just aborting some non living fetus. I imagine that there are very few women who have an abortion, who do not have a hard time with the decision that they made at some latter time in their life. The blood of Jesus does cleanse from all sin though, and I believe that our country can be restored if the people who call themselves Gods people will repent and ask for forgiveness and live for God. An Ex-Mormon, Ex-Metalhead, Very Politically incorrect Generation-X er, born again Christian.
Daniel Carter <DLC@infowest.com>
St. George, UT USA - Thursday, October 21, 1999 at 20:27:08 (EDT) from xstop.infowest.net
The sale of the body parts of PBA victims is being discussed in the Senate debate of the proposed PBA ban. This dirty little secret has been let out into the open. I wonder how many senators are disgusting enough to condone the industry that drives PBA, which, as any health professional knows, is not an issue involving the health or life of the mother.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Thursday, October 21, 1999 at 14:31:36 (EDT) from port-1-28.sei.one.net
Thanks for a great pro-life site Carolyn My reply to a recent message follows >> >>Active in Christian pro-life in Dallas, TX, for the past five years, I agree that violence against abortion mills and personnel is absolutely non-productive. Whether on the sidewalks outside an abortion mill or inside my pregnancy-center office, I have seen more women converted and children saved from abortion through the use of gentleness and diplomacy than intimidation. Bombing is for the birds! Holly Dutton Dallas, TX USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 19:24:58 (EDT) from 205.165.160.218

Dear Holly,
Thanks for an intelligent post. I am new to Carolyn's Board, but already I see seperating the wheat from the chaff is quite a job on this Guestbook board.

Thank you too, for five years of Christian Pro-Life Work, in Dallas. I am new to the Active Pro-Life Ranks, though not new to pro-life beliefs. I did, however allow myself to be misled, for 26 years, by "pro-choice" propaganda. I am 61. After Roe vs. Wade, I took the comfortable political position that while abortion was morally wrong, it was an individual woman's legal right to so choose and therefor none of my political business. How dark it is, before the Light!

Thank God for the Internet! I have done a crash on-line study course of both sides of the abortion debate. Among other things, my study led me to my knees on Oct. 1, 1999, to ask God's Forgiveness, for "What I have failed to do." I am forgiven. In accepting God's Forgiveness, I accept the responsibility to actively help spread the Pro-Life Message of Truth.

>> Bombing is for the birds!>>I could not agree with you more but this insults the birds. Bombs that explode are for idiots and the deranged. But, TRUTH can be a powerful legal bomb and the internet a great delivery system. I have been and remain very impressed with a web site that delivers medical truth, about abortion, in such detail that the site is restricted from being viewed by children under 12 years of age. This site is AbortionTV. ABORTION TV, THE INTERNET'S #1 ABORTION INFORMATION SOURCE

http://www.ABORTIONTV.com/

I would greatly appreciate your comments on this site, ABORTIONTV, if you are familiar with it or have time to review it. While I agree with you and appreciate that gentleness and diplomacy will save many pregnant women from aborting their unborn child, I feel there is a need to spread medical truth to the general public, as widely and as quickly as possible. Also, there is much gentleness and diplomacy present on ABORTIONTV, not just graphic still photos or the download of "Silent Scream."

Thanks again, for your past five years of active pro-life work, while I was on the sidelines, uninformed. When we get enough TRUTH spread far enough, we shall see a significant reduction in the number of abortions, with or without the overturn of Roe vs. Wade and the more problematic "Doe" Decision.
Sincerely,
Ed Hensley Los Angeles, CA

Ed Hensley <Edh11338@aol.com>
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, October 21, 1999 at 06:14:58 (EDT) from spider-tk024.proxy.aol.com
Greetings Carolyn. As you know, CHRISTians celebrate the CHRISTmas message every day of the year. So, I guess it's never to early to share with you my Christmas web site. God Bless you Carolyn and may you and your family have a joyous Christmas and a peaceful New Year.
Cindy <cindy@ilovejesus.com>
USA - Thursday, October 21, 1999 at 03:40:42 (EDT) from s.sm1.garlic.net
This site is absolutely amazing - I've added it to my favourites list. Marvin is the BEST !!!! I am a Marvin fruitcake - an absolute fanatic !! He is just so cool - it's a shame that Warner Bros don't release more cartoons of him !!! Marvin gets my vote !!! I have spent so much money on Marvin stuff - I must be mad !!!! LONG LIVE MARVIN THE MARTIAN !!!! HE'S MY HERO !!! MARVIN - I LOVE YA !!! YOU'RE ONE HELL OF A GUY !!!
Mark Firman
Telford, ENGLAND UK - Wednesday, October 20, 1999 at 21:22:51 (EDT) from webcacheW06a.cache.pol.co.uk
I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU I GREATLY APPRICATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING!
Chevon Bacot <pinkiestrippin@juno.com>
lakewylie, sc USA - Wednesday, October 20, 1999 at 13:31:38 (EDT) from 204.116.94.37
i was here, but now im gone... ill be missed, but not for long!
queen of darkness
pa USA - Tuesday, October 19, 1999 at 11:55:46 (EDT) from cacheflow.tcg.sgi.net
Heya cyberpals. If you have changed emails in the last year, and have been corresponding with the ol' Hoosier Pharmer, send me your address. My hard drive took a big dump, and guess which files I failed to rescue while I was trying to save my bunz at 3 in the morning. :-P :-P Not the best file manager in the world...... HP Alerts is languishing while I rebuild. I will be back up soon.
Hoosier Pharmer <kbrauer@one.net>
USA - Tuesday, October 19, 1999 at 10:58:02 (EDT) from port-3-43.sei.one.net
If you actually believe abortion, compared to gun control coverage and all the other points I made are delusions, you need to get offline and actually WATCH. The 700 club news is *conservatively* biased, but the general media is NOT centrist at all, but tinted to the left. How do you explain the polling of reporters and whether they identified themselves as liberal or conservative? When liberal dominated? Do you really believe that the discrepency in issue types, like homelessness, ozone, animal abuse and rights, compared to literally ZIPPO on abortion OTHER than a rare clinic bombing, is an accident? Its intentional. It is a REFLECTION of the persons in control and their opinions of what matters to be reported on, and that has a tint to the left or right, because the stances and slants and even issue TYPES themselves selected are different for these two ideologies often. Conservatives, for example, arent going to wail about how man is crowding the panda out of existence by his existence, doing multiple repeated stories on that, but they might do so on pro gun pieces. And note the % of antigun pieces! My "ideology" has NO EFFECT on detecting bias in EITHER direction. I HAVE seen portrayals that were rightwing slanted, but they are few far in between to the reverse. That simply is the way it is, my opinion on whether items should be left or right tinted if at all, is irrelevant to noticing in WHICH direction if any, the coverage is slanted. The majority is the majority, and it shows in the news, and its liberal, not conservative...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, October 19, 1999 at 10:44:37 (EDT) from ip51.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


i think that animal testing should be controled more carefully so that the animals are not in any danger or pain
Krystle and Sonia <www.giggles2640@yahoo.com>
Croydon, United Kingdom - Tuesday, October 19, 1999 at 06:27:43 (EDT) from nebulus.edex.net.uk
wow - i thought your peeves page was getting large... :-)
mike
USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 23:20:15 (EDT) from cgowave-88-132.cgocable.net
Chris: Sometimes you don't sound like you have both feet on the ground. People around in WWII recall that Hitler was credited with wanting more internationalism than he could find in Europe and North Africa. Cooperation among nations is not new, but global government is to internationalism as The United States was to the Confederate States of America. Liberals, with their holy of holies located in Washington, D.C., fog over such concepts as the United Nations, the European Union, NATO, IMF, etc., as if such constructs could function in a global setting without insurmountable nationalistic and cultural reservations. Witness the dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. Fifty years after the British sponsored partitioning agreement that gave majority Hindu states to India and majority Muslim states to Pakistan, India still claims sovereignty over the Muslim population in Kashmir. Where is the United Nations? The World Court? The World Police Force? You and I, Chris? We're both sitting here comfortably, transnationalizing, cosmopolitanizing, and transcendentalizing while waiting on some supernationalistic internationalist to solve the Kashmir dispute.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 22:52:51 (EDT) from 207-172-137-140.s13.as3.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
I wonder what you guys think of the federal government decision to cancel two holidays in the year 2000! Thanksgiving and Halloween have been eliminated. It seems the witch is moving to New York and she's taking the Turkey with her!
Jim <sieffert@borg.com>
USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 21:03:24 (EDT) from ip20b.borg.com
PLM: Again, your ideology clouds your judgment. The U.S. media seems very liberal to the very conservative; and it seems just as conservative to the very liberal. In reality, the media is boringly centrist on the whole. It makes sense for them to be: only by appearing to cater to both sides can be become and remain popular and trusted. The country is filled with rainy day liberals and conservatives who eat up the media, those on both sides convinced that it speaks to _their_ views directly.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 20:23:12 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
I love Marvin the Martian!!!!
Crystal <Winterstarr@hotmail.com>
Ferndale, WA USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 19:52:03 (EDT) from spider-wg032.proxy.aol.com
Finally:

Abortion has been legal for 26 years, it only SEEMS like forever. The press's lack of focus on that, but handling endless CNN stories about animal rights, PETA, is telling. Thy act, like I have said, as IF abortion IS settled, a neccessary evil that cannot go away. Where are the stories on women who die from it? Specials on ABC about conditions of aboriton clinics on women and their bodies? Why, I have lived for over 30 years, and I have seen SEVERAL stories about animal conditions in testing programs and elsewhere, are animals more important than WOMEN? The tv doesnt talk and have specials on abortion, you cant say we have all accepted its legality. It rages on. But so does gun control, probably LESS so, but that doesnt stop the media from endlessly discussing gun control, kids and guns, etc. Does it? Its always a fresh newsworthy issue. Abortion isnt. Now why is that? Its CHOICE. The news media COULD discuss deaths, but the ONLY ONES they tend to moan over are RARE Slepian's and abortion docs, not the MANY women dying now from abortion. They are prochoice. *NOT* unbiased. As recently as the 50's children and guns were thought to MIX. NOW they are assumed to be incompatible. On the reporting. By defualt. MTV, BET, A&E do specials about how we have to keep guns from kids. Are they doing specials about abortion, which like guns are also debated BUT LEGAL, and talking about women dying, informed consent woes, fathers rights in abortion, etc? Nope. Dont hold your breath with liberals mostly running the press...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 18:10:18 (EDT) from ip17.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


One more thing jsb:

The press, for example, IS generally liberal. IIRC, theyve even been polled and identified themselves as such. Now think, in newspapers you FREQUENTLY see articles that discuss in a liberal slant 1) ozone layer greehouse effects, 2) guns violence. 3) extinction threats to species. Thats not an accident. ON abortion, we see articles which portray lifers negatively as bombers, which IS a stereotype NOT the majority at all, and PBA is debated and they say " neither side can agree on whether its needed" when we KNOW its not. Its uncritical and unchallenged if its proabortion and this goes on and on in many facets of that issue. On tv, on A&E and NBC, we see "guns and america, what can we do?" and portrayals of the negatives of guns, much talk of gun control, etc. It STAYS IN THE NEWS ON THAT SLANT ALONE.

Carolyn was interviewed on Jerry Hughes, and asked why this was so. She responded that abortion is a constant issue, so THATS why. She was right, but more needed to be explained than possible in a phone call with limited time. The realitty is, the shows and MTV *CHOOSE* not to debate abortion, they DO on gun control and other pet liberal issues. They act and present it as necessary evil, that its been "settled" so to speak as a moral question. Its NOT being debated. And if you STUDY history, you will find by the press it never hardly was. Theres a reason for that. The press is liberalistically biased. They make constant issues of teen gun violence, they dont discuss abortion, fathers rights in that and their lack of rights, etc. They do this on purpose. Because they ARE PROABORTION. But pro NEA, animal rights, extinction, homelessness advocacy, etc. So on the tv news, local and countrywide, these "pet" issues of liberals are FREQUENTLY talked about and DEBATED. But abortion, for examle. *ISNT*. We dont see Tom Brokaw, who does antigun specials, discussing abortion issues bringing up prolife concerns and charges, do we? Its not stereotyping to note liberalism entwinement, if it EXISTS, and it does, into media, for example as I have just done. Its simply recognizing bias and exposing it!

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 14:06:36 (EDT) from ip27.austin20.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


"PLM: You completely missed the point of that post; I wasn't accusing you of racism. Rather, I was accusing you of upholding similar and equally silly stereotypes about acadamia."

Here is where you reveal your analysis to be superficial. The trouble with racists is they never seem to realize the other "inferior" or "evil" race has BIGOTS JUST LIKE THEM arguing literally the SAME thing about THEIR race and vice versa. i.e., there are, say white bigots and black ones. The black ones dont make the newspapers. That, jsb, is highly instructive about the nature of political correctness and the press. Racism is wrong and destructive, but the only persons who do it arent just whites, and the only persons who suffer from discrimination arent just black. At the University I went to, I lost jobs when literally starving for food for MY WHITE SKIN COLOR. You see, theres a big difference between speculating on unproven racial science assertions, and understanding mindsets of ideologists, whatever their general bent, SOME recurring themes are pushed. My point about academia is well taken to anybody with experience and honesty. Just as the only guy who was Republican on the school newspaper (press) who BTW, PREDICTED CLINTONS IMPEACHMENT, was typical, not exceptional. Universities TODAY tend (note: not ALWAYS!) to have liberalistic slants to their faculty and operation. So, certain things tend to happen as an outgrowth of that. My campus was a great example. I dont regret going there, but I am fully aware of the theme of the populace. When one person who was conservative said his opinions on the '92 race politically at a rally, he practically got booed off the stage by faculty AND students! Ever see the movie eyes wide shut? Ponder its title...


Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 12:22:17 (EDT) from ip146.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Dear Pro-life Friends: I am on a letter writing campaign to see abortion survivor Gianna Jessen share her story at the next Republican national Convention. Please see webpage for more details and if you agree, please help and get involved!
Kevin Given <kgiven@oasistech.net>
Tamkpa, Fl USA - Monday, October 18, 1999 at 00:23:51 (EDT) from 208.136.213.21
Hi Carolyn ! I could'nt agree more with you about Al Gore ; Quayle was mercilessly berated simply because he's a republican . I hope neither of them become president. Although I'm a Canadian , I still see a lot of American news , because I'm just across the border from Detroit ; so I still feel the weight of the dirtiness , and hypocrisy of the current administration . You should check out suspicious deaths related to the Clintons' . It is'nt just Vince Foster . Also ; is anyone aware that several years ago , the first lady was quoted by a newspaper as saying that she routinely has conversations with the ghost of Eleanor Roosevelt ? It's not common knowledge , as the pro-Clinton media are expert at protecting their own . I'm glad to see that you've got a page ; The current administration would have the public believe that anyone who is not a fan of the Arkansas huckster is a right wing conspiracist . GOOD LUCK ! , and continued success in your drive to present reality . It can't be gotten from television any more !
Scott Kuli <palayoda@mnsi.net>
Windsor, Ontario Canada - Sunday, October 17, 1999 at 18:30:00 (EDT) from dyn124-162.win.mnsi.net
I just wanted to say that the web page on princess diana was absolutely beautiful. Its amazing how someone could change the lives of millions with just a simple smile. She was definately the star in the lives of thousands of people. May her light burn in the hearts of millions forever.
Heaven Leigh <sweetgrl8_02@yahoo.com>
WI USA - Sunday, October 17, 1999 at 15:17:47 (EDT) from 139dul122.bresnanlink.net
I love all of the pet peeves. My Gripe Book is minicule in comparison, but I invite evryone to come and add a gripe when your through with your pet peeves.
Mattie <mattie2828@hotmail.com>
Park Hills, Mo. USA - Sunday, October 17, 1999 at 08:00:29 (EDT) from dialph57.jcn1.com
PLM: You completely missed the point of that post; I wasn't accusing you of racism. Rather, I was accusing you of upholding similar and equally silly stereotypes about acadamia.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Saturday, October 16, 1999 at 17:43:42 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
I really don't care what you think of my ideas, Karen. Much of what I've heard you say makes about as much sense when examined as a triangular circle.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Saturday, October 16, 1999 at 17:41:16 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Wheeee! JSB on Capitalism/work ethic: He finally said something that makes sense :-) !!
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Saturday, October 16, 1999 at 16:57:18 (EDT) from port-3-3.sei.one.net
g'day from downunder, My name is Shane 29 male from OZ love your web site its great! got there via a Marvin link. glad i did!! loved the KISS photos-very cool-i was a fan too!! Great website too, checked your resume etc and considering :) i'm only new to the net so any info or help you could give would be much appreciated-maybe we could even chat online some time? please e-mail me a reply so i know this works. hope 2 hear from u soon, Shane.
Shane Kunze <skunze@mail.eisa.net.au>
Gosford, NSW Australia - Saturday, October 16, 1999 at 11:58:14 (EDT) from 203.166.241.174
My political ideology laundry list--or, What I Find Bad in Both Major Factions

Liberals: (1) the belief that throwing money at the poor through direct redistribution will somehow solve our social and economic problems; (2) the support of things like abortion on demand until birth and partial-birth abortion, both of which I find morally repugnant; (3) on the far left, the pathological hatred of religion, which is sometimes expressed as a desire to control or even outlaw certain religions.

Conservatives: (1) the belief that outlawing things like drugs, prostitution, etc. somehow diminishes the problems associated with said activities and is morally just; (2) the defense of even _zygotes_ as persons and wanting to outlaw abortion from the moment of conception; (3) on the far right, the theocratic mindstate (a la Willian Bennett or the Christian reconstructionists) that seeks to institute "God's law" as civil law and basically establish Christianity as a state religion; (4) the dependence on the Founding Fathers or their rhetorical documents as a basis for all social ethics.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Saturday, October 16, 1999 at 05:54:24 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


I don't often voice my views on economics because I'm not terribly well-read in that area, but here's a quick thought on capitalism.

For all the talk that capitalism supposedly fosters ethical materialism, I see the situation as just the opposite: those who succeed the best in a capitalist economy are _not_ those whose sole, driving passion is money; rather, it's the people who intense desires to create and sustain a business that they enjoy for its own sake. So many of those who we think of as wildly successful--Henry Ford or Bill Gates, say--went into their businesses with a passion to provide genuinely good products, and it is to these products that they devoted their greatest initial attention. When money came later, they were happy, of course, but money seems not to have been the basic force that drove them into their work: it was the passion they held for the work itself. Generally, I've noticed that those who go into a line of work merely because they think it'll overflow their coffers often fail--their interest in their work slumps eventually, and they get sloppy--and, when that happens, they go under quick.

In the end, capitalism seems to promote and reward those who are serious and enthralled by their _work_ and not necessarily by the money it brings them.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Saturday, October 16, 1999 at 05:37:04 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


I think marvin the martian has been through a lot over the years. I hope for the new millinium marvin should do something that would not be expected. Do a movie on his family or anything that us as his fans would not expect. personally for him not to say much he is one of the best characters out there. Love Ya Marvin.
Erica Brooks <www.chortey@gurlmail.com>
upper marlboro, md USA - Saturday, October 16, 1999 at 00:22:37 (EDT) from 208.243.30.195
" I bet all the hispanics you know smoke weed, all the black people eat corn on the cob, all the Jews hoard pennies,"

Is this the part where you accuse me of being racist? I am not even REMOTELY prejudiced. I lived near South Central L.A. and attended a predominantly minority campus. Not too many white conservative males in housing jsb, other than me. My best friend there was a Black female. What a cheap insult. I think you had better apologize for doing EXACTLY what YOU claim *I* do, stereotyping massively...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, October 15, 1999 at 21:17:36 (EDT) from ip83.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


What we need a better sense morality and practicality in this nation.

I agree. In fact, I recommend Jesus, so one can do the job better than He can.

I reccomend Jesus and Christianity about as much as I reccomend brain damage.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Friday, October 15, 1999 at 18:58:21 (EDT) from 147.226.152.78


Carolyn, after a quick glance at the new hate mail, I am even more convinced how great your site is - you are opening advocating what is right, and the bitter and ugly reaction is, sadly, to be expected. Thanks for your web work - it is creative and it is beneficial. ---Martin K. Smith
Marty Smith <martin.k.smith@lmco.com>
Marietta, GA USA - Friday, October 15, 1999 at 17:10:58 (EDT) from proxy2a.lmco.com
Oh, yes, PLM, reality is a stereotype. I bet all the hispanics you know smoke weed, all the black people eat corn on the cob, all the Jews hoard pennies, etc. etc. etc. into absolutely authentic REALITY. I'm not even going to argue with you; you're too big of a fool.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Friday, October 15, 1999 at 14:29:36 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
i really like marvin he is so cool. i like all of his cartoons and picture. i think that this web site is really awsome and i enjoy being on it alot. marvin is m favorite cartoon character. i love him so much. eveybody comments on this web site is really cool and i like reading them so much. i have never really used the net before and it is alot of fun. well that is all that i have to say about the one and only marvin the martion. thanks for reading this and listening to this and for your time.
ashley
kingston, canada - Friday, October 15, 1999 at 11:15:59 (EDT) from 204.40.2.171
Thank you for remembering Diana. She will NEVER be forgotten!
Deborah Root <Dingyd311@aol.com>
El Cajon, ca USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 23:05:34 (EDT) from spider-wj074.proxy.aol.com
I met Marvin at Six Flags! I have a great picture. He is so sweet. I love Marvin!
Kristina <ladibug20@hotmail.com>
Deer Park, AL USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 22:33:07 (EDT) from 208.219.72.123
Hello!!!!
Sheri Hopper <miss-_-thang@webtv.net>
USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 22:09:55 (EDT) from proxy-537.public.rwc.webtv.net
No, its reality whether I like seeing it that way or not! I DONT like seeing it that way. I wish for lots of things, I dont get many of them. One thing I wish for is good textbooks. Unbiased ones. Ones that discuss FDR's brilliant political campaigning skills, that ALSO mention his tendency to schedule his radio spots to finish early with paid time, so blank space occurs for an eternity, so his opponent who scheduled after him gets tuned out by legal but unscrupulous means. Ones that can get abortion right and mention Doe v Bolton and not just Roe. That dont leave high school boys with the impression that abortion *isnt* legally possible thru 9 months of pregnancy which it basically is. I am NOT holding my breath for them to even MENTION Gomez v Perez and the sexism contained in that and the delay of Roe to support different standards on purpose for both sexes in reproduction. I want books jsb that dont distort abortion by only giving ONE side, framing it only as "womens rights", which mentioned how lame Reagan was on womens rights, because he opposed abortion "rights" for them which was true in the one *I* had to use in J.C. But I am NOT holding my breath waiting for it to change because PLM would turn blue so fast and I need air...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 19:03:19 (EDT) from ip75.austin20.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


......I need help with out something. It will help me, any of you, and other women and families faced with an unwanted pregnancy or an unexpected pregnancy that they are not sure they can handle. I am makinga web page to educate people about what abortion really is and what is does to babies and families. Your part: Send me any poetry you have written about your expereince(s) or write some for my site. I will give full credit to you if you want your name posted and if you don't want it posted, then I will leave it anonymous. Also, this is a really big part of my page. I need stories from women who have had abortions, and stories from fathers and family members, even pro-life turned abortionists. These stories could really make the difference in what a woman chooses to do
Sarah <sarah@rockforlife.zzn.com>
USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 18:59:05 (EDT) from dfiatx99-233.dsl.gtei.net
Okay, PLM, you win: colleges are breeding grounds for liberal interpretations of _everything_ from history and econ to basket-weaving and the naughty, perverted liberal depths of bestiality and sodomy with blow-up dolls. It's all true because you say so and you should know since you've read all those textbooks.

The stereotype is reality because you like seeing it that way.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 17:04:46 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


No, Donald, Hitler was not an internationalist. He was an out and out nationalist whose goal was to bring Europe and North Africa under German domination. An internationalist wishes to see a global government and culture which reflects human and humane principles. These principles would reject the subjugation of whole peoples by a single nation or race, as Hitler wanted to do. As for liberals sounding strange, all I can say is that this results from the their transnational, cosmopolitan and transcendent modes of thinking. The majority is still locked into outmoded religious and nationalistic ideological constructs which have no basis in logic or rationality. An educational vanguard needs to guide them along the often torturous path to enlightenment and true liberation,.
Chris Cremons
USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 16:29:29 (EDT) from dms35581.LIT.CWRU.Edu
I made a typo on the last sentence of my last entry. I meant to say in reference to Jesus that "no one can do a better job than He can" instead of "so one can do a better job than He can". Sorry about any confusion I might have caused.
Dan <DanTheKoolMan@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 15:25:02 (EDT) from 12.3.18.2
I thought Hitler was an internationalist since he was accused of trying to conquer the world. He was certainly no isolationist, although he was a nationalist in the sense that, like the citizen of a nation, nationalism is a necessary part of internationalism. The too, he made pacts and alliances with other nations. So what makes him a rightist? Is it that he was a racist? He definitely was, but a racist can be either a liberal, a conservative, or a moderate. He need not be a criminal because a simple matter like choosing a spouse or a friend can be influenced by racial preferences. Was Hitler a rightist because his government violated human rights and committed crimes against humanity? Come on now, no wonder the schools are trying to get away from teaching history and reading from the Old Testament. Which brings me to a real question: What makes liberals sound so strange to the conscious ear? Is it that liberals love to use words like "should," "ought to," "need to," "have to," "right," "wrong," etc., while they say they don't want to impose their morality on others and that there should be a wall of separation between church and state? They really are confused, because one need only look at the European liberal, socialist countries to see that liberalism leans heavily on the secularized state churches: Anglican, Lutheran, Reformed, etc. and their American counterparts. Liberals also find it convenient to label as reactionary, conservatives who defend themselves when attacked by liberals on a jihad. Not fair. Liberalism is a political ideology, and, like all political ideologies, there is a pressing danger of propagandist tendencies and hierarchial control.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 14:38:56 (EDT) from 207-172-138-176.s49.as7.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
I really thought that reaction to the "Crime/Abortion" study was excellent. It's good to hear another view on this topic. Even if the study were right, what does that say about society? Since a signifigant portion of society lacks compassion, we should play Jack Kivorkian with our children? I don't think so. That's like playing God. It's like "curing the disease by killing the patient", it doesn't solve any social conditions, it's just an excuse for people not to take any responsibility for their sexual mistakes. I have three words for pro-choicers: birth-control, surgery, and adoption. Onto another topic, I'm a little confused by Chris Cremona's use of the term "moderate", I always thought that "moderate" ment that you were neutral in terms of both wings, you don't side specifically with either wing, or a combination of both. I consider myself to be "a combination of both". What I find disturbing is that the Republicans fought bills that would close the background check loophole on gun shows, after the Colombine incident. So much back and forth legalism has occured with that issue, I'm not even sure if the loophole was closed or not. The Colombine murderers would have been less likely to get the weapons they needed if they didn't have access to them at a gun show. They weren't even of age to buy them! Of course let's get down to the real issue, the fact that the Colombine shooters planned this a year in advance, were willing to gather the weapons, and use those weapons on the people at the school. Many people blame this on the media, but a massively higher than a "signifigant" number of people listen to Marylin Manson (not that I approve of him) and other types of music with violent and Satanic lyrics, play Doom, and watch typical violent films, and it has little or no effect on them. The real issue is what in the real world caused them to do this, some say the parental negligence is the cause, while that may be true to a limited extent, the true reason why is because of the social persecution and pressures of High School. Today I am 19 and out of high school, from age 17 and younger I was picked on in public grade school and in both a public and a private high school more than a massive number of people in my age group are, and I rarely provoked anyone into bothering me. If you don't fit into the personality stereotype of the average or cool person, you are both a target and an outcast. In fact, when I tried to use my wit to gain popularity in hopes of not being isolated or persecuted, while my isolation from the average person turned into friendship, most of the "cool" crowd started bothering me even more because I gained popularity and didn't fit into their stereotype(s). This has happened to me in both a public high school and a private high school. While I rarely acted violently, I know how the killers' felt and why they did what they did (not that I condone what they did). This problem is widespread, yet Jesse Jackson and MTV are two of the few media sources that are willing to discuss this problem at length. According to the Bible, Jesus says that we are to "love thy neighbor as thyself" and that "blessed are the peacekeepers". The Colombine incident is both the result of the killers' refusal to do this, as well as the refusal of many (I'm not saying all) of the other students at the school to do this. There are no easy answers to this problem, but something must change within society to minimize or eliminate this problem. Meanwhile while this problem exists, students who don't want to put up with this and don't deserve to put up with this should be able to have their choice of schooling through school vouchers, to find a school where problem students are dealt with or taken out and a healthy social environment is established for those who are able to sustain it. While I had a tough time at one private high school, who's to say another one wouldn't have been better for me? This is why I am disgusted with the Democrats for their refusal to allow school vouchers: it would have helped me and a lot of other people, as well as others now in schools and those in the next generation of children who will be schooled in America. What we need a better sense morality and practicality in this nation. I hope we can all get together and make this country a better place rather than a degrading one. In fact, I recommend Jesus, so one can do the job better than He can.
Dan <DanTheKoolMan@hotmail.com>
NJ USA - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 03:42:58 (EDT) from PPPa42-ResaleCherryHill1-3R1062.saturn.bbn.com
dear caz i am a freat fan of marvin :) but when i read the other entries and all i can say is that you and i have a hell of alot in common. please email me i would love to know more about you and maybe we can chat some time cya missy
missy robertson <maily17@yahoo.co.uk>
perth, wa australia - Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 03:30:09 (EDT) from 203.38.86.50
Active in Christian pro-life in Dallas, TX, for the past five years, I agree that violence against abortion mills and personnel is absolutely non-productive. Whether on the sidewalks outside an abortion mill or inside my pregnancy-center office, I have seen more women converted and children saved from abortion through the use of gentleness and diplomacy than intimidation. Bombing is for the birds!
Holly Dutton <HMDutton@Hotmail.com>
Dallas, TX USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 19:24:58 (EDT) from 205.165.160.218
I was a very academic type, and STILL am. Fortunately, I didnt forever have blinders on. I actually READ textbooks, jsb, favored for use so I KNOW WHAT THE HECK I am talking about, and all the attempts on your part to distract from this fact wont change reality. The fact, jsb, that colleges often use textbooks that are innacurate, misleading and liberalistic in nature is telling. It happens too often. There is a REASON, jsb, so many young students love FDR, its because the textbooks used which they learn from dont give all the facts in many cases. They paint a positive image, and distort abortion along pc lines. Sure one can find some that are objective, but to pretend its not a trend is naive. I went thru that experience, and have analyzed OTHERS books, you arent fooling me. I just wish students could see bias and learn to detect it better. I dont mind if students decide for themselves if they are liberal, I DO mind them being given a one-sided view and not using critical thinking...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 15:00:21 (EDT) from ip13.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


PLM: You're not a realist at all, but a subsscriber to the nonsense notion that acadamia is hopelessly liberal, across the board. There are a lot of liberals in the Phil. dept. here, and elsehwere; but in history and economics, for instance, there are more conservatives. It depends on the discipline, really; your generalizations tell me that you've not looked hard enough and not with a critical, discerning eye.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 13:55:11 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
We really enjoyed your essay on pro-choice. We are doing an argumentative essay on pro-choice and abortion. Thank you for the insightful opinions!
Yasmin, Sabrina, and Frank
Greensboro, NC USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 13:53:57 (EDT) from crosby141.ncat.edu
Burke, I DONT stereotype at all. I am just seasoned. Been there and done that. The colleges I went to are like myriad others. You are bound to find exceptions, but the rules generally will not lean rightist. Thats reality jsb. Believe me, I would LOVE to agree with you! But I am a realist..

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 13:46:42 (EDT) from ip13.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


More humans have died in the war of abortion than any other war fought. We need to stop the violence and start respecting the lives of everyone as equals, even unborn children.
Ashlee <ashlee_l@yahoo.com>
USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 12:58:11 (EDT) from host-21-9.nat-pool.midco.net
My friend heather loves your site she is a total 100% Marvin the Martian fan everything she finds that has Marvin on it she buys it. I think your site is cool also. I am a fan of the old Looney tunes cartoons myself.
Michael Jackson & Heather McFarland <looneymartian@juno.com>
lowell, AR USA - Wednesday, October 13, 1999 at 01:24:33 (EDT) from 216.98.164.225
So, what happened to the Philosophy Dept.?

It's still here; history was one of my undergrad majors.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 22:47:03 (EDT) from 147.226.152.66


I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I went through college, jc AND 4yr and in each university it was the same, even junior colleges. Liberal all the way.

Just because you went through college doesn't mean you know the ins and outs of its denizens. I've been to a dozen (at least) history conferences in my life, and I've found more conservative PhDs than liberal, and I interact with _lots_ of them. You're just spouting unfounded, stereotypical gibberish about academia.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 22:45:59 (EDT) from 147.226.152.66


Burke: A little lesson in political ideologies is in order here. First, there are two kinds of rightists--conservative and reactionary. A conservative is someone like Edmund Burke, or a representative of the moderate wing of the British Conservative party. A conservative wishes to preserve the status-quo, altering it only very gradually over time. A reactionary, on the other hand, wants to return to a old order which has been displaced with the march of time. Hitler was clearly a reactionary rightist, who wanted to return to some kind of mystical warrior culture. A leftist or liberal wants a much faster rate of change than a conventional conservative or a reactionary, who, of course, wants no progressive change at all and seeks a return to a previously exisiting social, political or economic arrangement. Thus to compare a liberal or radical leftist to Hitler, as do Donald and Proliferman, is simply absurd. A limited and anti-intellectual libertarian analysis of the political spectrum is ahistorical and lacks a fundamental understanding of the complex distinctions between political ideologies. It tends to lump everything into categories of either freedom or totalitarianism. Under this analysis, there is little or no difference between Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany and Franco's Spain. However, there were very great ideological differences between these governments. Libertarian analysis tends to miss these differences entirely.
Chris Cremona
USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 19:42:38 (EDT) from jcu-pc-13081.jcu.edu
Donald: I'm not aware that Bill Clinton attends black churchs alone. And I'm sure that he's been in a synogogue or two. This "attack", if it can even qualify as such, is simply a foul and rather inane distortion. And you seemed have missed my point about internationalism. I merely wished to point out that liberals, being internationalists, cannot be considered right- ists, given the fact that all rightists are nationalists. As far as turning the United States into a sick bay, Bill Clinton doesn't need to do that. This country already is a vast sick bay and has been long before Clinton arrived on the national scene. We have a murder and violent crime rate that is 8 and 19 an 12 times greater than any comparable advanced industrial society. We also have a mindless public culture that encompasses such idiocies as Walt Disney World, the Jay Leno show and Marvin the Martian And the various ethnic groups who seek some sense of identitiy apart from the general American culture do so because our consumerist society offers only the sterile world of the marketplace. There exist no human or humane values there. As New Gingrich observed: "To learn to be an American is to learn how to be a shopper." The human spirit requires something a little more substantial, thank you very much.
Chris Cremona
USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 18:59:49 (EDT) from jcu-pc-10121.jcu.edu
I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I went through college, jc AND 4yr and in each university it was the same, even junior colleges. Liberal all the way. In one class, practically the whole lot of wide eyed 'youngins were in LOVE with FDR. Where have you been? Most universities today cannot be trusted. In fact, even high school textbooks cant be relied upon today given that not long ago I read one where a high school boy tried to "educate" me on abortion laws, where the book misrepresented the laws and made him think abortion was limited everyplace by decree, from the Roe ruling. Failed to mention Doe and it implications on state abortion laws. Do YOU know what those are?

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 18:05:31 (EDT) from ip93.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


What? JSB, O Cosmopolitan One. You mean the history PhD's at Ball State in Muncie Indiana lean to the right???? I could believe that of post docs. So, what happened to the Philosophy Dept. ? ;-)
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 16:58:01 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
PLM: re: Those teaching history NOW in America can't be relied upon.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about, PLM. If anything, those history PhDs I've met are the _most likely_ to be conservative, anti-FDR, anti-abortion, etc. About the only history texts that smack of idol worship are those you find in high school classes--the superficial ones. Most texts (and teachers) do a good job of presenting the history fairly, with multiple interpretations, causation paradigms, etc.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 15:40:29 (EDT) from NOVA.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


You must like having your stomach acids churned up. The people who write you are, for the most part, nuts. Why anyone would provide an outlet for these guys is beyond me. Interesting, though, but I needed a TUMS after a bit. Don Pointer
Don Pointer <dpointer@anv.net>
Las Vegas, NV USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 13:04:32 (EDT) from max02-79.anv.net
"You don't know what you're talking about here. You merely spout some ludicrous and tendentious rhetoric."

I am pretty well versed in this subject. I have read alot of historical recounts of Nazi German social policy. I do not believe Hitler was a rightist, per se, nor a leftist. He extracted the usable ideas in his opinion from both. The entire regime, however more closely SMACKS of extreme leftism than extreme rightism. Sadly, authors cannot remain objective. Many books look at the same facts and distort. Several, for example, are written by leftist university profs, so they ignore the leftwing tints of Nazi policy and stress the right. There were SOME arguable mixtures of both, with the left predominating in the end on several notable levels.

But the people teaching history NOW in America cannot be relied upon. Many college students, for example, come away from a history course in love with "The New Deal" and FDR. Because the books were written by leftists, who adored the man. Its not history, its idolatry. The same books are often proabortion slanted, painting Roe as "women's rights", which is why so many young people attend college and dont learn anything, coming away good little brainwashed politicallly correct liberals who endorse both abortion and FDR...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 08:56:54 (EDT) from ip176.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


For what it's worth, Hitler was considered a radical rightist in his day--the left, of course, being Stalin and Bolshevism. But calling him "right" tells you little without adding a libertarian-authortorian axis to the politcal spectrum. He was definitely an authortorian, and, in the 30s and 40s, on the right in Germany.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 01:04:48 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Labels like "right," "left," "conservative" and "liberal" have no fixed meanings as they relate to political inclinations. The meanings change with the times and circumstances, so you can't hope to pin Hitler down in "leftism" or "rightism" as we know the terms today.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 00:51:25 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
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PATTIE <RAINBOWWAVES@WEBTV.NET>
NJ USA - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 23:57:43 (EDT) from proxy-347.public.rwc.webtv.net
u have a cool webpage i am obsessed with marvin he is so cute
rachel <marvin_rulz99@yahoo.com>
adelaide, SA Australia - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 23:46:14 (EDT) from proxy1.chariot.net.au
Chris: Seeing Bill Clinton, Bill Bradley, Al Gore, etc. on TV, exclusively in Black churches, singing Negro Spirituals, and clapping with the choir reminds me of how their agenda compartmentalizes Americans and how shallow and exclusive the Left and their sycophant press really is. Whether the Left is shouting Viva la raza, stomping around an Indian reservation, hugging a homosexual, trying to share the Aids experience, donning sackcloth and ashes at the Holocaust Museum, hiding behind women and children, or fighting for women's choice, they are, like all good Democrats, trying to turn the "land of opportunity" into a social sick bay filled with Democratic minorities and Republicans in for rehabilitation by specially trained liberals. As for national sovereignty: who pays our taxes, provides our unemployment insurance, pays for our social costs, elects our representatives, administers justice, and provides for our national defense? Citizens of the world?
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 22:20:25 (EDT) from 207-172-137-190.s63.as3.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Proliferman: You simply can't assert that Hitler was no the left. While some of his economic policies involved government intervention, this does not make him a leftist. Leftists simply don't demonize whole groups of people due to their specfic ethnic origin, race or sexuality. In this respect, today's conservativism has much more in common with Hitler than anything on the left. And, it should be noted, Hitler's intervention in the economy was designed to create a militarisitc state, which our homegrown neo-nazis are also interested in doing. Left-wing intervention in the economy is designed to even out disparities in income, protect consumers and the environment, and provide for those who can't provide for themselves. This is a far cry from Nazism. You don't know what you're talking about here. You merely spout some ludicrous and tendentious rhetoric.
Chris Cremona
USA - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 21:32:36 (EDT) from watermelon.SCL.CWRU.Edu
i love your marvin page. all of my friends think i'm nuts because i buy anything that i find that has him on it. it's nice to know there are others out there that feel the same way about marvin that i do. keep up the good work
Katie <Kmnmil@aol.com>
USA - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 18:53:37 (EDT) from spider-ta041.proxy.aol.com
A fetus is as much a separate and unique individual as anyone who reads this. They are innocent of all crime or wrongdoing and deserve the same chance at life as any fully grown adult. Stand up for the weak and defenseless!!
Whitney <WhitneyRow@aol.com>
Waynesboro, GA USA - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 12:57:59 (EDT) from spider-pa033.proxy.aol.com
Fascism isnt extreme rightism. In liberal author books, we see them distance themselves and offer excuses to stress only ONE component of Nazism, the "right". Forgetting the policies which are suggestive highly of the opposite. Again, the duhumanization factors, unchallenging press, etc., compare Nazi social policy to abortion. Suspension of critical thinking. Hitler didnt merely use Socialist, in the name of the party for political ends, ideologically he was slanted in that direction as much as he was nationalisticly. He usec both as tools, he was never big on following exact party lines of left and right wingish views, but rather extracted for expediency the useful in his opinion aspects of each to create the nazi platform. Most of the nazi agenda was more extreme leftism than rightism, though, from workers state with security in return for no freedom, to government is all knowing and powerful and the serfs on the land of Germany had to subordinate themselves and their own interests to a COLLECTIVE perceived good. The Lebensborn was an example. The wealth redistribution by attacking a scapegoat, Jews, was not rightism at all. Such a concept would be frightening to bunch of "scary right wingers" as it goes against their beliefs in so many fundamental ways. Even big business was hampered in nazism ultimately, and small business was even worse. Again, government interference. Of course, calling it that mild is inaccurate, because what the Reich did was alot more restricting than our leftism...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 09:33:16 (EDT) from ip81.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


PLM: You are a fool to compare the Holocaust to modern abortion et. all. Do you know anyone who lived in Nazi Germany? Anyone survived the camps? Well, I do. There's a part of them that will always be insane from what happened 50 years ago--to compare their experiences to abortion is demeaning. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The young wet behind the ears fool here is you, jsb, as usual. Your typical prochoicey liberal mindset deludes you from reality. The situations, as I have proven, are quite similiar, down to the perception of one person interfereing with another's lifestyle and being subhuman. Abortion parallels both Nazism *and* slavery, and if you actually studied history, instead of liberalistically mangling it, you would learn something. Choicers constantly talk of the "insane comparison" between these two Holocausts, and there IS one. They are both DEAD (no pun intended) wrong. And inhuman. You of course only see ONE Holocaust despite the evidence condridicting you, you see only what you WANT to see. Ripping or burning a baby alive IS comparable to Nazi atrocities of ww2. Also, the effects on the parents OFTEN last a lifetime. It is obvious you dont counsel people whove have abortions (out of denial phase) or have been involved in one. Or you would never say this, for you would be familiar with the effects and suicidal feelings. The numbers are clear, more dead in THUS holocaust than by the Nazi's. It doesnt lesson the impact of the German Final Solution, but if you would take your head out of that left wing University of yours long enough to smell the fresh air, youd see that BOTH were tragedies, and BOTH deserve to be condemned and ended! Do some research, mmm..k?

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 09:17:36 (EDT) from ip81.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Donald: You don't understand nazism or fascism. They both play upon nationalism and the demonization of differerences--ethnic, religious, racial and sexual. The left does none of this. The left is internationalist and rejects all jingoistic appeals to nationalism and patriotism. It also rejects the demonization of the other, except in the case of the hatemonger. One is legitimately permitted to hate the haters. The so-called conservatives in this country do everything in the propaganda sphere that the Nazis did, only they do it in a more subtle fashion. Anti-affirmative action policies are an attack on blacks, part of the so-called "Southern Strategy" adopted by the Republicans in the 60's as a way of attracting whites in the south. Anti-immigrant sentiment directed against Mexicans is also another example of this demonization of difference practiced bv the right. And, of course, ther are the attacks on homosexuals, likening them, as did Trent Lott, to alcoholics and kleptomanics. Directing the anger of the majority against weak and unpopular minorities is what the neo-fascist and the nazi always does. This the left does not do.
Chris Cremona
USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 23:08:53 (EDT) from jcu-pc-13081.jcu.edu
Why remember the Holocaust if we have no idea about the policies that made it possible? The dehumanization and execution of Jews, Poles, Gypsies, etc., came out of a political and social indoctrination in the public schools, a managed and unquestioning nationalistic press, a substitute social gospel in the churches, a politicization of the judiciary, a corruption of the medical profession, and social notstrums for the public at large. Such policies gradually laid the foundation and laws that made crimes against humanity beyond legal protest by German citizens, and a matter of national security. National Socialism is erroneously equated with the right, except when Hitler made a pact with Stalin. Only the left, not the right, sees everyone except the elite as needing government control and dependency. Thus, the left is more closely related to animal husbandry than to civilized government.
Donald
Rockville, Md USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 21:35:56 (EDT) from 207-172-138-94.s31.as6.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
I'm doing an oral report on Marvin (don't ask why) and this is the absoloute best site I can possibly find on him. It's great!!! I can't believe how much stuff you piled on about him!!! THanks a lot!!!!!!!
Suzanne
CT USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 20:17:09 (EDT) from hrfr-sh5-port59.snet.net
I need help with something. It will help me, any of you, and other women and families faced with an unwanted pregnancy or an unexpected pregnancy that they are not sure they can handle. I am making a web page to educate people about what abortion really is and what is does to babies and families. Your part: Send me any poetry you have written about your expereince(s) or write some for my site. I will give full credit to you if you want your name posted and if you don't want it posted, then I will leave it anonymous. Also, this is a really big part of my page. I need stories from women who have had abortions, and stories from fathers and family members, even pro-life turned abortionists. These stories could really make the difference in what a woman chooses to do.
Sarah <sarah@rockforlife.zzn.com>
USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 19:54:48 (EDT) from dfiatx99-233.dsl.gtei.net
Have you ever noticed that Marvin first appeared right after the Roswell incident? Is there a connection? I think there is. By the way, I am the same age as Marvin, ther is a connection there too. I wish they had given Marvin his own show instead of Taz, and a bigger part in Space Jam.
Murphy <Murphinator@oasistech.net>
Lakeland, FL USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 19:39:33 (EDT) from ppp-md18.oasistech.net
PLM: You are a fool to compare the Holocaust to modern abortion et. all. Do you know anyone who lived in Nazi Germany? Anyone survived the camps? Well, I do. There's a part of them that will always be insane from what happened 50 years ago--to compare their experiences to abortion is demeaning.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 19:28:49 (EDT) from NOVA.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
J. Burke: You don't sufficiently understand the nature of the right-wing in this country. They are infinitely more sophisticated than Hitler and the Nazis. They cleverly disguise polices that are nazi-like in nature with appeals to "fairness", "color-blindness", creating an "even-playing field" and opposition to "special rights" for homosexuals. Of course, they are also constrained by the fact that this is a much more stable and economically prosperous society than was the Weimar Republic. Naked appeals to racism and xenophobia don't resonate here in quite the way they did in Germany during the twenties and early thirties. But you can't deny CIA involvement in drug dealing, which decimated the black community in the 80's, or the horrendous impact of welfare refrom policies, which have dramatically increased child poverty rates in the black community over the last severa years.. These are slow motion polices of genocide. Get your head out of your proof sets for a while and look at reality for a change. You might be surprised at what you find.
Chris Cremona
USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 18:27:46 (EDT) from jcu-pc-10121.jcu.edu
I need help with out something. It will help me, any of you, and other women and families faced with an unwanted pregnancy or an unexpected pregnancy that they are not sure they can handle. I am making a web page to educate people about what abortion really is and what is does to babies and families. Your part: Send me any poetry you have written about your expereince(s) or write some for my site. I will give full credit to you if you want your name posted and if you don't want it posted, then I will leave it anonymous. Also, this is a really big part of my page. I need stories from women who have had abortions, and stories from fathers and family members, even pro-life turned abortionists. These stories could really make the difference in what a woman chooses to do.
Sarah <sarah@rockforlife.zzn.com>
- Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 18:18:46 (EDT) from dfiatx99-233.dsl.gtei.net
Lifers only care about unborns

Scummy crap alert! Is there no end to how low these people will sink? Now we dont care about children, unless they are still in the womb. Forget them after! I cant believe the paper reports all of this so acceptingly, never questioning themotives of the study doers...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 16:27:36 (EDT) from ip142.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hasn't anyone ever stopped to think that maybe comparing one's political oppenents to Hitler and Nazism is a bit of a stretch? Nazi Germany murdered 6 million Jew, 2 1/2 million Christian Poles and hundreds of thousands of homosexuals, gypsies and social dissidents. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well lets see jsb. Nazis killed 6 million Jews, 2 1/2 million Christian Poles and hundreds of thousands of homosexuals, gypsies and social dissidents. Abortion supporters defend, and thus help kill 1.6 million innocent children per year, in mass killing stations rivaling Zyklon B ones in ultimate killing effiency of both children, and even their mothers in some cases by largely insufficiently regulated clinics. Eugenics, and mass slaughter has become "clean", much cleaner than the Nazi's but not less sickening. We dehumanize them by insisting they arent human, which was what the Nazi's used at base level on the Jews, making films likening them to scrambling mice. Over then 25 MILLION children have died in America's Holocaust, which choicers insist is "unfair" to compare to Germany's murders despite much larger numbers with all sorts of pathetic excuses. All Holocausts arent politically correct ones, which DOESNT negate the importance of what the Nazi's did wrong , but DOES make it reasonable to expect people would learn from history, and clearly they dont, given the proliferation of abortion liberalization worldwide which happened mostly AFTER Hitler's "Final Solution"...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 08:58:06 (EDT) from ip86.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hasn't anyone ever stopped to think that maybe comparing one's political oppenents to Hitler and Nazism is a bit of a stretch? Nazi Germany murdered 6 million Jew, 2 1/2 million Christian Poles and hundreds of thousands of homosexuals, gypsies and social dissidents. Himmler engineered marches where people trudged along with urine and feces running down their legs for days on end, and they were forced to drink from toilets in which the guards had pissed and shit. Despite the bad ideas on both sides of the contemporary political debate, labelling one another Nazis strikes me as plain stupid.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 02:15:42 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
You are correct, Burke. If you are referring to this page, it was posted to show that one can take either side of the political spectrum and yell "Nazi" since people like calling right-wingers Nazis. Today's "left" and "right" are not comparable to Nazis.
Chris: You're half right. Hitler demanded abortions in certain cases, which related to his warped eugenics programs. You are right about homosexuals: hundreds of thousands went to the camps; and, when the Allies liberated them, the homosexuals weren't freed--instead, they were _returned_ to prison, and their time in the camps wasn't counted toward their sentences.
J. S. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, October 10, 1999 at 01:45:03 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
I just read your diatribe on the MissAmerica Pagent. What kind of message does allowing divorced women or women who've had abortions to participate send you ask. Well, what kind of message does Motley Crue, a favorite group of yours, send? Sex, drugs and rock and roll is a conservative message? Very strange set of standards you have.

USA - Saturday, October 09, 1999 at 19:27:35 (EDT) from wsom12160.SOM.CWRU.Edu
Avatar (Chris/Ted) misses the point of the article.
Everything I said was correct. Hitler regarded abortion and homosexuality as threats to the GERMAN people. And so do conservatives when it comes to white people. Their draconian welfare reform policies threaten the black race in Americka. Of course, for reasons of public relations, they must maintain that they oppose abortions in the black community. All the while, however, they work assiduously to eliminate non-white and non-heterosexual populations. For example, the CIA brought drugs into the US during the Reagan administration in order to decimate the black community. The neo-fascist apparat in Americka is one of the most dangerous and demented forces in the world today. And its slowly being revealed. Little by little the truth is coming out. The Richarad Mellon Scaife ties to the CIA and his efforts, in conjuction with the conservative infrastructure, to bring down the progressive and enlightend Clinton administration has blown the lid off the activities of the Amerikan right-wing. If the Democrats recapture either the Senate or House next year, look for investigations into the "right-wing conspiracy".
Chris Cremona
USA - Saturday, October 09, 1999 at 17:31:50 (EDT) from lit35534.LIT.CWRU.Edu
Ever heard of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder and an ardent proponent of eugenics? Conservatives are like Nazis because they speak out against abortion for all races, since it's just a "PR" move? Are the pro-life liberals doing the same? How about the Pro-life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians?
abortion is a wrong doing! It sould not have benn thought of in the first place. It is injust and crule. What is diffrent: a mass merder or an abortion? To me they are the exact same. Where do those little babies go? there innocent and just! Why do we insisist on being so selfish and crule to the gifts the LORD our GOD and creator has given so willingly to us? Why? All we are doing is hurting the lives wich have not been aloud to speak out! It wrong and absolutly reduculous! - )B*B(age 12)
bri
wa USA - Saturday, October 09, 1999 at 16:04:15 (EDT) from gw2.stlukeshoreline.org
I was just writing to comment on your Marvin the Martian site! I love it! It's one of the best out there. I'm an avid Marvin fan, actually my friends all think I'm nuts! I'm 27 years old and have just about every Marvin collectible I can find (within my price range). I have a whole room dedicated to Marvin. Last year I also "met" Marvin in Los Angles at Magic Mountain. I wasn't expecting to see him there at all. As soon as we passed the main gate I saw him. I got a few pictures with him, it was great!! It totally made my vacation!! Anyway...your Marvin site is great! Keep it up!!
Rita <rmeaton@hotmail.com>
Beaverton, OR USA - Saturday, October 09, 1999 at 14:31:50 (EDT) from i48-42-45.pdx.du.teleport.com
How can you say such things in a world with so many diffrent situations. The problem with the world today is people chose to keep blind folds on to how every person is diffrent, and thats how god made us. I just found out that I was pregnant and it upsets me that on my computer i type in babies and find some remark about Hitler!!! What is wrong with you!! If i could change anything it would be for people to be blind to things like color. not only will this rasisim hurt our children but it will hurt thier children!!
jill
USA - Saturday, October 09, 1999 at 12:13:24 (EDT) from spider-ta024.proxy.aol.com
One more point:

That choicers (and more than a few besides the Gargaro editorial letter have done this) would USE this and "prove" how "dangerous" it is for the state to "contol" womens bodies, proves that this side isnt above bald faced lies by many of its followers to support abortion as a "right". If the pc side WAS legit, WHY would they need to do this to "win" debates? If you have to condridict yourself endlessly, as chociers must on informed consent opposition, the fathers rights aspect paradox of hypocrisy which is OPPOSITE for females, history like the German case, fetal pain denial of medical science and twisting into "personhood" subjectives disengenously, lying for a FACT on partial birh abortion and disguising their REAL motives for doing so, which I have gotten some choivers to ADMIT TO MY FACE, and DNA science while claiming to know a mythical point AFTER fertilization but BEFORE birth, poo poohing "day zero" supposed arguments of lifers, it tells a critically thinking person that:

The ideology is fallacy ridden. Logical fallacy laden. SO IT CANNOT BE TRUE. Lifers ARE the ones on the right side. The test on a matter of logic, which abortion IS, is based on whether a give side MUST resort to bending of science and logic and condridictions to self-serve to support procuring the claim, which is a likely LIE *IF* one must resort this in their taken position. In pc, we see these logical fallacies (I have given a few specific ones above) over and over. The ends justifies the means. You shouldnt havr to do this to make your position work IF it was sound and logical. Which prochoice just ISNT.

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Saturday, October 09, 1999 at 10:06:30 (EDT) from ip190.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hitler asserted publically that abortion and homosexuality were a threat to the German race. Sound familiar? Chris Cremona USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 18:33:35 (EDT) from jcu-pc-10169.jcu.edu Fact check again: Hitler was well known for his forced abortions and forced sterilization of policies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Clarifying Carolyn's point:

Hitler WAS opposed to abortion...of "Aryan" childen ONLY. If not blonde and blue eyed master racers, they could be wormfood. Hitler advocated sterilization...of "inferiors" like he thought of Jews. He advocated unwed or wed production of "Aryan" children in the Lebensborn. *They* could breed like rabbits for the Fatherland. They selected male German soldiers, blonde and blue eyed, to father these babies, often unwed, resulting in unwed motherhood homes on purpose. And no fathers. Virtual sperm donors. The German girls were blondes, if possible, and baby makers for the state. Taught that this kind of motherhood was how a girl honored Germany. This isnt conservative. In fact, its extreme LEFTISM social policy. Is this Ted's handiwork? If so, you know all of this, such a student of history. Yet you selectively report the facts and use them to prove a case about abortion and/or conservatives that is misleading. Or to compare these groups by hidden false analogy to Nazi's. Surely you can see the intellectual dishonesty in this!

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Saturday, October 09, 1999 at 08:28:47 (EDT) from ip190.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


What a refreshing sight. I am an old 48 year old right winger (angry white male) not angry, really :). I did a mid life study for an MBA from the University of Phoenix all on line. Finished 1997. Refreshing for a bold young conservative. There are others out there that I have the pleasure of knowing. Paul E. Bender
Paul E. Bender <bender@weirdness.com>
Normal, IL USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 20:59:30 (EDT) from 1Cust30.tnt1.bloomington.il.da.uu.net
GOD BLESS YOU. I READ THE TERRIBLE HATE MAIL THATN YOU HAVE RECIEVED. I AM 17 YEARS OLD AND I AM PRO-LIFE IN A FAMILY THAT IS PRO-CHOICE. ITS VERY HARD TO VOICE A OPINON. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MAKEING THIS WEB PAGE AND INFORMING PEOPLE OF THE REAL FACT OF "ABORTION".
DANICA JENKINS <J-E-W-E-L@HOME.COM>
NASHVILLE, TN USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 20:53:51 (EDT) from proxy1-external.nash1.tn.home.com
Hitler asserted publically that abortion and homosexuality were a threat to the German race. Sound familiar?
Chris Cremona
USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 18:33:35 (EDT) from jcu-pc-10169.jcu.edu
Fact check again: Hitler was well known for his forced abortions and forced sterilization of policies.
What's wrong with using elephant dung in artwork? The painter responsible for "Virgin Mary", Chirs Olifi, uses it in much of his work for, as he puts it, its "sculptural and metaphorical" qualities. And just because ancient Greece practiced slavery and suppressed women doesn't mean they did not, in fact, contribute to, and even in many respects create, Western civilization. Or are you saying that the United States, which practiced slavery and still suppresses women is not a civilization as well? Ah yes, the hypocrisy and intellectual confusion on the right continues unabated.
Chris Cremona
USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 18:09:45 (EDT) from jcu-pc-10169.jcu.edu
i like your marvin place
Bulma DBZ
santa fe, USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 15:50:25 (EDT) from 198.59.112.211
Today was my first visit to your page. You have done a wonderful job. My cousin and I are also building a series of conservative pages. We are looking for guest authors... if you are interested please contact us. Have a great day. Amber L
amber
sacramento, CA USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 13:22:55 (EDT) from 207-136-171-166.dialup.microweb.net
I LOVE YOU MARVIN SOOOOOO MUCH! WILL YOU MARRY ME?
Megan Griffith <MGriffith5@excite.com>
St.Joseph, MO USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 12:30:59 (EDT) from dialup166.1.ccp.com
Way to stereotype, Mike. But don't worry, I won't conclude that all conservatives are prone to illogical thinking and religious bigotry on the basis of your remarks alone.
Jen Roth
USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 22:52:34 (EDT) from oz.isdn.uiuc.edu
Chris you are just another example of how liberals react when their position can't be defended. Donald Beck you posted a great response. However it should also be pointed out that Hitler just like Clinton wants all guns registered. Like Hitler too, Clinton wants to take gun ownership away from the citizens of this country. So Chris now tell me who sounds more like Hitler, conservatives or liberals like yourself?
Tim <tslck@hcpd.com>
USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 15:13:23 (EDT) from pm1-06.hcpd.com
I scanned your hate-mail section. It seems liberals are capable of producing only vile, vulgar, hate-filled nonsense instead of anything remotely intelligent. Liberals and atheists are cowards, afraid of taking any responsibility or answering to any kind of higher authority for their actions. The moral decay and disrespect for life came about because of liberals, not conservatives. They tell us to stay out of their lives while they keep trying to run ours and take away our rights. Liberals need to grow up. Conservatism does not equal hate. They, as their hate mail shows (the ones you can actually understand), are the hateful ones.
Mike Tressler <mtressler@tribweb.com>
Greensburg, PA USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 13:18:08 (EDT) from mail.leadertimes.com
Ted (Chris), for the record, to my knowledge (and I have a BA in history, with 14 grad hours in the same, so I like to think I know reasonably what I'm talking about) the only real connection between Hitler/Nazism and the past moral crimes of Christians is Jew-hatred. Yes, European Christian anti-Semitism paved the way for the Holocaust; but that's the only connection I've seen--you can twist interpretations of events to make others, but it's dishonest. Christianity and I don't mix, but it's one thing to attack it based on sound arguments and quite another to invent things and then build arguments around them.
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 09:53:08 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
i feel for you guys im totally againest abortion and i know someone who had 6 abortions and she is almost 17 but I just wanted to give all you guys a hug and all my love is for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :^)
Amy <Shortee67@hotmail.com>
Shakopee, MN USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 09:47:57 (EDT) from s251-208.shakopee.k12.mn.us
Oh, and (3) _Seig heil_ 'hail victory' was not invented by the Nazis; in fact, it's a very old warrior's motto dating back probably before the time BEOWULF was written. The Anglo-Saxons (the progenitors of modern-day Brits) even had a similar saying in their dialects.
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 09:44:35 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Two things: (1) Hitler was not a Christian; his religion was a weird brand of homegrown Norse paganism, and was the official spirituality of the SS; (2) Der Fuhrer means simply "the leader," not "commander-in-chief."
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 09:29:47 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Yes, Chris, the Greeks certainly had a highly developed civilization, but they also practiced slavery and treated women like dirt -- should we emulate these aspects of their culture, too? As for "decadent art," artists such as Edvard Munch and others who are highly regarded today were included in Hitler's exhibit -- and I don't think that any of them used shellaced elephant s**t in their works (BTW, I read in The New York Post that the exhibit literally stinks because of the decayed animal bodies used in some of this "art work"). Sick!
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 09:23:15 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
" MARVIN THE MARTIAN RULES" I LOVE YOUR SITE IT THE COOLEST REMEMBER "I AM GOING TO BLOW IT UP" :) JOE
joe castellaneta <bambola@ihug.com.au>
sydney, nsw australia - Thursday, October 07, 1999 at 02:51:40 (EDT) from p60-max14.syd.ihug.com.au
Chris: It has to come as a surprise to you that President Clinton has more in common with Hitler than almost anyone you could name. The women loved Hitler even though he treated them like s**t and even caused one to commit suicide. He promised the Germans health care, jobs, and all the Socialist crap that gets the women's votes. (Just ask Marge Schott of the Cincinatti Reds fame.) He issued executive orders (also called decrees) because he didn't like his 'congress.' He assumed the title of Commander-in-Chief (that's what der Fuehrer means) and ordered his forces to go to war like Clinton did in Yugoslavia. Once war started, all the German people decided that they had to win. That's what 'Sieg heil' means. And finally, he promoted abortion, euthanasia, and all the good socialist causes designed to preserve the trees, fields, and fresh air for the fit and the worthy. Gee, Chris, I'll bet you recognize all these fine, compassionate, humanistic, and democratic traits--yes, Hitler got enough votes on this platform to be appointed Chancellor, and shortly afterwards, der Fuehrer. Ho hum, Chris. Any more wisdom for us poor skeptics?
Donald Beck
Rockville, Md USA - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 22:03:40 (EDT) from 207-172-137-226.s35.as4.dam.md.dialup.rcn.com
Since when does Christian=conservative? Do you all think there is no such thing as a liberal Christian? Or have conservatives grabbed that for themselves too?
Coolie <coolie85@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 21:39:58 (EDT) from spider-ta041.proxy.aol.com
Chris did you forget to take your medicine today you seem a bit deluded
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 21:25:46 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
I found Debbie Jenkins' website revealing Adolf Hitler's Christianity most informative. Far too many Christians of a conservative stripe in the Republican party act just like Hitler. Take Rudy Giuliani and his attempt to evict the Brooklyn Museaum of Art from its building. This is winning praise from conservatives all over the country. Hitler assembled a collection of works for his infamous "Decadent Art" show. He contended that these works were sick and detracted from the health of society. This is exactly what Giuliani is saying. Conservatism=nazism.
Chris Cremona <chriscremona@yahoo.com>
USA - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 20:03:33 (EDT) from lit35537.LIT.CWRU.Edu
Not suporting tax dollars funding art is not censorship. Simple concept.
Pedophilia beyond the pale of civilized society? That would come as a surprise to the ancient Greeks, who practiced homosexual pedophilia. And guess what? Greece is the cradle of Western civilization. Or didn't you know that?
Chris Cremona <chriscremona@yahoo.com>
USA - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 18:03:49 (EDT) from wsom12141.SOM.CWRU.Edu
Cool Website! Check my new site out if you have time.
Debby Jenkins
Reno, NEV USA - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 13:24:00 (EDT) from wbrg70.iland.net
This web page states that "Hitler lived and acted like Christians of the past and present." Hitler was not Christian. He wanted to eliminate Christianity, since he believed it weakened the Aryan race.
MARIA: I THINK THAT MARVIN THE MARTIAN IS THE COOLEST CARTOON CHARACTER EVER CREATED AND HE DESERVES HIS OWN SHOW. GLEN: ALTHOUGH I AM A PINKY AND THE BRAIN FAN I THINK THAT MARVIN IS THE ONLY COMPARABLE CARTOON CHARACTER. I HEARD ABOUT MARVIN HAVING HIS OWN VIDEO FOR HIS 50th, HOW MUCH IS IT AND WHERE CAN I GET IT FROM IN ENGLAND. CHEERS, AND KEEP THE COOL PAGE RUNNING WITH LOADS MORE PICS AND INFO.
GLEN FERNANDEZ-GARCIA AND MARIA FERNANDEZ-GARCIA <MANUEL@FERNANDEZGARCIA.FREESERVE.COM>
LONDON, ENGLAND - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 09:57:51 (EDT) from d2.waltham.ac.uk
ARRRRRRRRGH! we give up! too many Marvin fans out there!
Taz,Brain,Pinky and The Borg
USA - Wednesday, October 06, 1999 at 00:20:47 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Anyone who wants to legalize pedophilia (or fantasizes about Miss Gargaro in a Nazi Uniform for that matter - as cute as she is you would think this Cremona sap could come up with a better outfit than that to dream up but demented minds . . . . . . what can I say? ) is beyond the pale of Civilized Society and beneath contempt. Crawl back into whatever loathsome pit you oozed out of - worm.
David Yuers <SgtUSA@hotmail.com>
Lafayette, CA USA - Tuesday, October 05, 1999 at 23:43:53 (EDT) from ppp-207-105-91-52.wnck11.pacbell.net
Marvin, You are my man. You wear the rasta colors, and we know you are the only brother from outer space. Right on my man. KP
B.K. Mcgee <King Peer@aol.com>
houston, tx USA - Tuesday, October 05, 1999 at 23:19:13 (EDT) from spider-wd034.proxy.aol.com
I am the rally Marvin The Martian
Marvin H.Mangum Jr. <ATATYGAR@AOL.COM>
Lumberton, TX USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 21:56:46 (EDT) from spider-tp072.proxy.aol.com
Are you enjoying the highly intelligent debate on pedophilia which in now going on at the rightgrrls newsgroup at Deja News? Finally there is some intelligent debate on a right-wing site! I bet you hate it. Will you try to shut it down? When you attempt to, will you be wearing your Nazi uniform?
Chris Cremona <chriscremona@yahoo.com>
Chapel Hill, NC USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 21:54:56 (EDT) from wsom12145.SOM.CWRU.Edu
I'm missing a debate on legalizing pedophilia. Oh *darn*
True feminism supports the lives of all human beings; female and male; born and unborn. I am adopted and am so grateful that my birthmother, with whom I am friends with now, did not terminate my life. In the past, I took it personally when people would say they were in favor of abortion. I am twenty now, but can you imagine what it felt like for a twelve-year-old adopted female to grieve the fact that so many people passionatly fought for the right for her own life to be terminated? Let me tell you, the pain was searing. When a person says that they support abortion, they are supporting the destruction of my very own life. Those of you who are reading this, please remember this.
Jaime <grpunkel@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 21:42:30 (EDT) from srv.2.31.goodnews.net
Well done on such a cool site. Marvin is the best and should be more appreciated and given more stuff in films. Long live Marvin the Martian
Laura Fletcher <d.pickering@ponl.com>
Pitsea, UK - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 15:58:20 (EDT) from host62-6-125-144.host.btclick.com
I have really enjoyed your site. It has given me information that will be useful in my debate. Thank you.
Elizabeth Wilbanks <bibus00@hotmail.com>
Pontotoc, MS USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 12:52:23 (EDT) from 216.229.222.86
Greeting to all, After reading through much of your writings and enjoying the most of them I would like to suggest that if you have any questions in regards to pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty, legalities that you visit our website. It is full of information that can assist anyone who is looking for the current legal positions on such topics as Domestic Partnership, Students’ Rights in the Public Schools, Rights in the Work Place, Prayer and Worship in or on Government property and much more. Thank you and may the Lord Jesus Bless you all as you continue the good fight. Joshua Solovskoy Webmaster The American Center For Law and Justice http://www.aclj.org/
Joshua Solovskoy <acljweb@exis.net>
Va Bch, VA USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 09:20:29 (EDT) from aclj.exis.net
If there be an afterlife, wherever or whatever it is, surely it cannot be worse than _this_!
Sisollare Faredo
New Alexandria, Egypt - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 03:06:30 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Addendum II: Why should what we believe about the world necessarily hold any "adaptive advantages?" There's no necessary connection between that and what's true. Furthermore, my worldview is far from hopeless--on the contrary, it's an honest one that admits what the evidence points toward, not what makes me feel good. Unlike the born-again who never truly confronts death because his dogma shields him from its implications, I'm _forced_ to confront it.
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 02:41:54 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Addendum: On the whole, when Christians use terms like "joy" or "love," the meanings they intend are far, far removed from any authentic human emotion--rather, Christian "love" merely means making it obvious to others that you accept Christian dogma. The Christian is the Orwellian killer of words.
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 02:17:22 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Miserable, me? I think not. I'm far from an evangelist for atheism; I just post stuff like that from time to time because I enjoy reading the fumbling, absurd and self-righteous responses I get from people like you, HP.

More and more, I'm coming to realize that most religion--though not all--actually is mind-control in one form or another; and, as a result, one should argue against it on psychological rather than epistemological grounds (and, often, arguing the latter is pointless because most religious propositions are conviently unfalsifiable).
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 02:11:51 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


He's funny, this Burke guy, just like those poor, lost people trying to comprehend the mind and spirituality of the Pope. ( It was hilarious to see the PBS pundits trying to point out supposed root causes of the Pope's actions and message.)
Wonder if it is somehow comforting for JSB to hope that certain types of Christians are as miserable as he is.

When Christians seek to convert someone, they are trying to share faith and joy, hope and salvation. I can see no such motivation behind JSB's attempts to promulgate his hopelessness. In fact, I can't see an adaptive advantage in holding his point of view either. Wonder if he can claim one. It obviously does not save him time and energy for other constructive pursuits. Bet he spends as much time in atheistic evangelism as any religious clergyman does in spreading the word of God.

Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 00:24:38 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
Miss Gargaro, You defended Catholics when you exposed the "Lilith" fair. You defended Catholics against the hate-consumed loathsome worms that call themselves the "Sister's of Perpetual Indulgence" (last Easter) and once again you've defended us against the vile blasphemy cloaking itself in the excuse that its "art" currently on display in Brooklyn. With that Italian last name you might even BE Catholic (it's plausible: your pro-life stance, your web-page on Mother Theresa) but be that as it may, whether you are or not - here's another title you can add to "Marvin the Martian-fan/RightGrrl/UnderagePresidentialNominee/WebDesignerParExcellence" and that is: DEFENDER OF THE FAITH! May the Holy Spirit and the Warriors Saint Michael and Saint Joan (the Maid of Orleans: another RightGrrl!) Bless You and watch over you (respectively). With great respect and admiration, David
David <SgtUSA@hotmail.com>
Lafayette, CA USA - Monday, October 04, 1999 at 00:15:39 (EDT) from ppp-206-170-28-229.wnck11.pacbell.net
May GOD bless you all!
Norma Jean <genie224@yahoo.com>
USA - Sunday, October 03, 1999 at 23:56:06 (EDT) from saul.chowan.edu
In the deepest reaches of the born-again Christian is not found the detatched, euphoric calm apparent on the outside; instead, within, Holy Terror has splintered his mind and hidden even his own desires from him. He lives as a shapeless, hapless ghost who, because he is never quite sure if he stands among the Elect, must trade his humanity for ersatz immortality.
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, October 03, 1999 at 17:31:44 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Being a Marvin-lover myself, I am so very impressed with your web-site, it's great! Marvin rules!
Robin <Chica7000@aol.com>
Pgh, Pa USA - Sunday, October 03, 1999 at 11:51:09 (EDT) from spider-wo061.proxy.aol.com
Sempter Fidelis!
Pope Incanus I <heathensperish@vatican.mil>
Vatican City, - Saturday, October 02, 1999 at 01:14:49 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
I think your web page on marvin the martian rules! He is my fave loony tune. I really like that poem about marvin as well. Thanks a lot!
Kathrine C
sydney, new south wales Austrailia - Friday, October 01, 1999 at 23:02:18 (EDT) from manta.pnc.com.au
Marvin rules.....cool site
Vance Shook
Clinton, Mo USA - Friday, October 01, 1999 at 18:31:45 (EDT) from clinton-p142.advertisnet.com
Dear pro-life peoples I am a concerned pro-lifer that is on a letter writing campaign to see abortion survivor Gianna Jessen share her story at the next Republican National Convention. If you want to get involved or would like more information please see my webpage: http://.suresite.com/fl/g/givenpage Sincerly Pro-life Kevin
Kevin Given <kgiven@oasistech.net>
Tampa, Fl USA - Friday, October 01, 1999 at 18:02:03 (EDT) from ppp-md03.oasistech.net
You have a beautiful, very informative site. Keep up the wonderful work in God's name. Thank you.
Brad Bennett <brad.bennett@att.net>
(near) Chicago , IL USA - Friday, October 01, 1999 at 09:57:28 (EDT) from 204-233-251-036.chicago.verio.net
I think marvin is great and he always blows up the show.
Dan Turner
Lacon, Il. USA - Thursday, September 30, 1999 at 20:31:01 (EDT) from spider-wk063.proxy.aol.com
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Bruce Bracken <uqoghii@mailcity.com>
Amarillo, TX USA - Thursday, September 30, 1999 at 15:12:01 (EDT) from ac-155-155.actx.edu
I want to let Will & Harry know that I have been praying for them ever since Diana died. Noone will ever take the place of their mother but... don't be afraid to let someone try to take care of you (the way that only she could). She will feel much better knowing that a woman is looking after you. Your mother was a magnificent woman. I went to London one month before her accident and the only thing I cared to see was your mother. If I would of seen her while on my tour bus, I would of left my group and the rest of my trip just for one moment with her. It's amazing that one woman could hold so much power over the world. I (along with half of the world) was mesmorized by the all the beautiful clothes and the wonderful deeds that she has done. Her treatment of you two, "priceless gems", made her all the more realistic. I never buy those magazines that exploit celebrities, but I always looked to see what Diana was doing or wearing. I watched a tv movie depicting Diana's life and I was appalled. I honestly don't feel a human being should be followed and hunted like she was. I am sorry she had to die.
Melissa <stehley@floodcity.net>
Boswell, PA USA - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 21:35:50 (EDT) from dialup017.floodcity.net
I enjoyed your site very much. Granted, I disgree with much of your politics. But you are a great apologist for your views. I know what it is like to not be easily pigeonholed. I am a Catholic pro-life Leftie who makes enemies on both sides of the fence. Viewing your hate mail, I'm sorry to see that my brothers and sisters on the left are so intolerant and resort to name calling. (Hey guys, I thought it was the right-wingers who did that....). It makes me sad to realize, Right of Left, there are dumb asses everywhere. Keep up the intellectual dialouge with friends and foes. The truth is out there somewhere!
David Lawrence <pdlawren@aol.com>
Tulsa, OK USA - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 13:26:35 (EDT) from spider-wm044.proxy.aol.com
I have been looking for an email address ,for the National Enquire, But due to the fact that i could not find one ,i decided to use this way in order to express my view, I know they will say that i am a nut ,but thats Ok with me. My comments ,is How in hell do some peoples leave the reporters on the enquirer get away with the craps that they write.I have never in my life seen a bunch of runnaway brain as these peoples, i bet their brains are burning with anxiety and their jaws are continually clacking, And when thse reporters go to bed at night ,i then wonder if they think about all the peoples that they have fabricated a story about, and do they really feel that they have done a good job?Well if they do ,then there must really be something wrong with them ,I have a lot more i would like to say ,but i will end this message ,And now to the enquirer you can sue me ,if you dont like the comment ,because at 70 years old ,that is about all i have to do to enjoy myself. Gabriel Simard
Gabriel Simard <gabsima@nbnet.nb.ca>
fredericton, new bruswick canada - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 12:09:54 (EDT) from pix142166193191.nbtel.net
TREMENDOUS JOB WELL DONE ON THE POWHATAN RENAPE HOME PAGES THANK YOU CARL OPECHANCANOUGH MAJOR COUNCIL OF ELDERS (FORMER TRIBAL COUNCIL CHAIRMAN)
CARL OPECHANCANOUGH MAJOR <CMAJOR5154@AOL.COM>
LEISURETOWNE, NJ USA - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 11:06:53 (EDT) from spider-wi041.proxy.aol.com
A libertarian sent me the link to your Clinton Quotes. Awesome. I haven't gotten to go through your entire site yet, but I have to ditto the previous comment: I didn't know there were any young, conservative women out there. Except for the one who married Carville, and I just don't get that!
Jay Mackeydf <jay@primitivebaptist.org>
Dallas, TX USA - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 10:55:54 (EDT) from 209.223.20.214
Don't know you, but wish I did. Cyber acquaintance will have to do. Would like to thank you for your August piece on the McDermott/Tripp taping comparisons. You nailed it. I'm 62, and didn't know young women with political convictons like yours still existed. How refreshing. No, how encouraging! Thanks again.
Jim Hall <jim093@webtv.net>
USA - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 10:43:21 (EDT) from proxy-317.public.rwc.webtv.net
Betcha none of you have heard about the bombings at Florida A&M, a HBU (historically black university) in the Talahassee area. A white hate group has taken "credit" for this s**t. Now, if this was an abortion clinic, it would be all over the news . . .
Melissa
Phila, PA USA - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 10:20:53 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
Oh please, RAD. That's like saying: "Well, if he does X, he's not a _real_ Christian." I'm not suggesting that all or even most PL people are violent, but to say that violent PLers aren't "real" PLers is just posturing.
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, September 28, 1999 at 20:33:12 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Hi Carolyn! I've read all of your "My Articles" and I can't say I disagree with a single word! Great Site! Keep it up. (BTW, the True Story of Lucia, on your "Women Who Chose Not to Abort" page was my mom.) Thanks for all you do for those who cannot defend themselves. - Jim
Jim Sieffert <sieffert@borg.com>
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 1999 at 15:09:45 (EDT) from HOST_177.ira.rl.af.mil
The most incredible thing a human can do on this Earth is to save the life of an innocent animal being!
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, September 28, 1999 at 02:52:34 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
The two fundamental principles of social justice, according to John Rawls:

(1) Each person is to have an equal right to the most extensive basic liberty compatible with a similar liberty for others.

(2) Social and economic inequalities are to be arranged so that they are both (a) reasonably expected to be to everyone's advantage, and (b) attached to positions and offices open to all.

Comments? Questions? Critiques?

jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, September 28, 1999 at 00:55:14 (EDT) from 147.226.152.161


Cathal , Anyone that kills in the name of prolife is not truely pro-lifeR
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Tuesday, September 28, 1999 at 00:31:36 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
The truth is that the vast majority of anti-abortion people are enraged by injustice, you are doing a great dis-service to the unborn child by hilighting the tiny-minority who are voilent. think of the Child, show the thousands of heroes who give their lives to peaceful methods.
Cathal O'Broin
Ireland - Monday, September 27, 1999 at 20:23:57 (EDT) from p436.as1.exs.dublin.eircom.net
The extremists who are violent in the name of "pro-life" are the ones who are doing the disservice - not I.
Carolyn, The most incredible thing a human can do on this earth, is to do everything in their power to save the life of an innocent human being! I am for womans rights..........the right to life for those women. ALL unborn deserve the chance to live outside of their mothers womb. They are alive already, and are already who they will be in 50 years. After all, are not we all striving towards becoming who we will be? Not a being striving toward becoming. We are a woman, or man in the womb. We are constantly growing, in utero and once out. All humans start life at conception and all humans are not finished growing until death. We are constantly changing daily, who we are. We have all the genetic codes in our mothers womb. Who then can say an unborn has no rights? For are not they the same? They have all the functions we have. The same as an elder or sick person, simply relying on the mother for food. Do not we all rely on everyone in this wordl for food, money and clothing? We therefore must do peacefully all we can to defend the lives of all human beings, especially those of the ones who are harmed and torn apart the most. The innocent cries of the unborn must be stopped! God Be praised for you having this beautiful anti-abortion page! You are a true woman and you will be blessed for the work you do!
B.A.Price <baprice71@aol.com>
CA USA - Monday, September 27, 1999 at 08:01:24 (EDT) from spider-wg024.proxy.aol.com
What specifically about the fetus does not make it a person? Certainly the fetus is a live human - a cockroach is not a human, and a human corpse is not alive.

The deeper question is: what specifically about the typical adult human makes it a person? What morally relevent qualities does this being have that the cockroach lacks? Only when you answer this can you know whether or not a fetus is a person.

Do you believe that some humans then, are not "persons?"

It doesn't matter what I personally believe; I'm just throwing out the questions.

jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, September 26, 1999 at 23:39:58 (EDT) from 147.226.152.172


JSB: What specifically about the fetus does not make it a person? Certainly the fetus is a live human - a cockroach is not a human, and a human corpse is not alive. Besides residence and appearance, a fetus is a human at a younger stage. Do you believe that some humans then, are not "persons?" We're over at Mike's board, BTW.
C
USA - Sunday, September 26, 1999 at 23:29:19 (EDT) from port11.interstat.net
That part of the amendment applies to all persons

The next question is...what is a person? What qualities or attributes are necessary or sufficient conditions for personhood? Even if we assume the moral right to fair legal treatment of persons which that section of the 14th Amendment recognizes, we still have to hammer out a satisfactory analysis of "person." Clearly, the typical adult human is a person, but a cockroach or a dead human corpse isn't.

jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Sunday, September 26, 1999 at 23:18:24 (EDT) from 147.226.152.172


Looks like I'm gonna have to have my friend the Borg turn on the assimalator in this Guestboot Bwhahahaha
Taz
USA - Sunday, September 26, 1999 at 15:02:21 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
MARVIN THE MARTIAN RULES!!!!!! FROM ALL THE OTHER CHARACTERS!
LAURA
EL PASO, TX USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 21:10:05 (EDT) from proxy-337.public.rwc.webtv.net
You know, you probably should be running.
Michael Trolly <mtrolly@hotmail.com>
Ottawa, ON Canada - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 19:30:24 (EDT) from spc-isp-ott-uas-14-6.sprint.ca
Hey Cody, Here's the part of the 14th Amendment that pro-lifers believe should protect the lives of unborn humans:
"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "
That part of the amendment applies to all persons, not just citizens.

Jen R
USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 17:55:40 (EDT) from oz.isdn.uiuc.edu
I agree, Leo is soooooo sexy! And my favourite group is T.L.C! I'm 12yrs and i love this site, Good job!
Michelle
u.k, ? england - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 16:07:48 (EDT) from vt1-111.du.tcp.co.uk
So far I have only visited your Abortion page. Congratulations on your principled stand. Kind regards Michael Darby
Michael Darby <queenslanders@hotmail.com>
Sydney, NSW Australia - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 15:14:23 (EDT) from idxwc07-73.idx.com.au
Hi, I have added my new site to your queue. Thanks for this opportunity to have my site included. I started United Conservatives.com as an alternative to FR and Lucianne.com. I hope you and your other members will enjoy it.
Nick Bauer <nbauer@unitedconservatives.com>
Austin, Tx USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 14:31:14 (EDT) from tcnet07-19.austin.texas.net
"The 14th Amendment of the Constitution states that people are citizens of this country if they are natuaralized or BORN here. The anti-abortion position has no legal standing, according to the Supreme Law of the Land"

You forget that in abortion, the 14th ammendment must cover the other side of the eqaution in abortion, which is the father, who currently Unconstitutionally has no rights. He is and has been BORN, and has a compelling interest in the fetus EQUAL to the woman's, which ISNT dependent on gestation, because if that were so, women, who carry most of the "role" according to borts, would owe MOST and not 50% of the child support under law for the same reason. The fact that the law doesnt recognize this discrepency when it FAVORS (if you will) men, and and USES the SAME to refute his alleged equal interest, demonstrates that abortion is sexism abuse against men who are the fahers of these fetuses , who ARE POSTBORNS. The Constitution gaurrantees a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Which the men who have no rights in abortion cannot pursue because of no legal standing WRT to their OWN fetuses. They are not seen legally as having any more standing than a serial anonymous rapist, and that is unconstitutional. In fact, the state acted against the constitution TWICE against men in abortion. In 1973, the Gomez vs Perez ruling,

Nasty little secret of Roe!

which is HUGE but almost unknown, and is Roe's dirty little secret, held that MEN were not entitled to the same reproductive rights that women were! To accomplish this bit of trickery, they simply intentionally delayed the ruling on Roe until they could set up double standards in reproductive rights! Under law, a man even in the most casual relationship must pay child support. Under Danforth (1975) and Casey (90s) rulings, even a HUSBAND doenst have a right to to even KNOW an abortion is about to take place of his OWN CHILD. The same child which he is obliged to support even if he was a one night stand not married to the gestating female! This is one of the most telling aspects of Roe, and yet lifers and choicers focus on Wade! You see, the whole abortion thing must be thrown out, it was predicated don false terms, on sexism against men and fathers. That is in itself UNCONSTITUTONAL. The only method of balancing the power between genders to solve discrimination against men, is to outlaw Roe. Nature's defualt WAS EQUALITY. Roe messed THAT up by making an entire gender effectivelly fertile, but sterile. Roe made it so men were sexist abusively trapped in a no-win situation. It is one of the worse examples of supposed jusrisprudence ever. The court was AS wrong, even on the ground of sexism alone, here, than they were, arguably, in the Douglass slavery rulings!

PLM

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 11:22:14 (EDT) from ip76.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


The fallacy of suggesting abortion is a right to privacy, which is what the court ruled, as noted by Carolyn Gargaro, is that its scientifically impossible for that to be true because 2 other parties are decisively affected by the womans "private" act. Abortion itself, by defualt, is therefore QUITE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because he court ruled that absolute power, based on simply nonexistent privacy, could be concentrated only in the pregnant female, as if no other involved parties that are "interested" exsit. If a woman, say, masturbates, this IS a private act, for she only involves *herself* from START TO FINISH OF SAID ACT/STATE. If the SAME woman decides to have sex, with an adult, she can claim the SEX is private, so to speak, and the government has no place in her bedroom. But ONCE inseminated, and consequently actually impregnated the woman NO LONGER has a claim, because *NOW* TWO other parties are involved. A special relationship that is interwoven among involed parties exists, and requires state protection. 1) The fetus. 2) the father. Even if "1" is debated, (when life begins, fetal personhood, etc.) 2 cannot be, because he has concurrent or back assessed child support duties. His parental rights are being severed without proof of unfitness, and that is against hundreds of years of family law precedents. Hence, its impossible, flat out, to call abortion a private act and say he has no interest in HIS OWN fetus. The same pregnancy he is liable for, even hospital prenatal and birthing bills under LAW. Therefore, women are demonstrably violating mens rights in abortion, because it is unilaterally frames. And, therefore, abortion is NOT constitutional because shes not the only person involved, which is true here in each abortion EVEN if you set aside the fetus. So for her to claim privacy is silly, anymore than a male who impregnated a woman can say his DNA sample to establish paternity cant be forced by law due to the same kind of privacy. If we allowed that, ALL men on command could simply say the child wasnt theirs, thus no child support is possible for men, only for mothers, and women couldnt prove it to outside observers to a legal standard because men could always circumvent them by misusing inherent bio factors of paternity in nature. The entire Roe ruling, as Carolyn correctly points out, WAS based on a bogus right to privacy. The right to LIFE was simply not used as a yardstick which is ALSO an error, because the two weighed against each other ALSO overrrule logically the woman, because her liberty interest, even if it exists, because she chose to risk impregnation by semen transfer sex, is TEMPORARY and the baby DIES forever and cannot be recovered. So the babys rights MUST trump hers.

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 10:56:39 (EDT) from ip76.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


I was on your site in the abortion regrets. I think its great that women can go on and share thier stories, i too have my own to share. I can totally relate to these women and thier feelins and the GUILT. THank you
Jen <jhartman72@netscape.net>
Phila, Pa USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 10:43:36 (EDT) from unknown-160-109.sovereignbank.com
We want to say thanks, and this is a very good site! God bless
Joseph & Darcy Shafer <j2dshafer7@aol.com>
gresham, Or USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 04:11:56 (EDT) from spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com
I HAVE BEEN A BIG FAN OF MARVIN THE MARTIAN AND I HOPE I GET TO MEET A FEW CURRENT FANS THAT HE HAS. I HAVE BEEN COLLECTING HIM FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS AND A WIDE VARIETY OF HIS THINGS THAT ARE OR HAVE BEEN OUT ON THE MARKET. I WISH TO GET MORE IF ANYONE IS WILLING TO GET RID OF THERE MARVIN ITEMS.
SPENCER MARKS <UNISEX SALON @AOL.COM>
CLEARWATER, FL USA - Saturday, September 25, 1999 at 03:23:39 (EDT) from spider-th031.proxy.aol.com
Your site needs a quick infusion of facts, Carolyn dear. That's if you really believe the crap you have written and stolen from dubious sources such as the Christian Coalition!!! You "pro-strife" people need to figure it out that the 14th Amendment of the Constitution states that people are citizens of this country if they are natuaralized or BORN here. The anti-abortion position has no legal standing, according to the Supreme Law of the Land. That's why the religious fanatics are trying to pass a anti-abortion amendment. You don't see their opposition attempting to get a pro-choice amendment ratified, since it's already a guaranteed right in the Constitution!!!
Not Kathie Lee's Son Cody
Phoenix, AZ USA - Friday, September 24, 1999 at 23:09:44 (EDT) from SU-dhcp248.sunion.Arizona.EDU
If we used your logic, then born, non-citizens would not be protected by our laws. In addition, the part of the Amendment that you quote was not what the Court used as a basis for Roe v Wade. Perhaps you'd like to read why many feel that Roe is actually an unconstitutional decision. The Court has made errors before (recall Dred Scott v Sandford), and I think Roe was another one of these errors
the liberal democrates will eliminate the entire bill of rights. Yep...at the same time the Republicans do the identical in the name of old time religion and getting them evil druggies. jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, September 23, 1999 at 22:04:30 (EDT) from 147.226.152.173
THIS WAS A PIMP TIGHT SITE I LIKE IT ALOT BUT I GOT TO GO SO BYE
ERIC GONZALEZ <RHUD222@AOL.COM>
HOUSTON, TX USA - Thursday, September 23, 1999 at 18:59:19 (EDT) from spider-wk013.proxy.aol.com
Who is this "Boobie" character? He is Boobie Prater, aka Burl Prater, Jr. He's the second oldest son of the Prater family; the family was, once upon a time, a thief ring in a nice neighborhood in a small Indiana town.
Alvy
USA - Thursday, September 23, 1999 at 17:06:51 (EDT) from 147.226.152.62
Why would you say that religious groups dislike certain people just because there are rules restricting behavior which is demonstrably maladaptive in terms of survival.

Survivial, of course, depends on environmental conditions. Homosexuality isn't "demonstrably maladaptive" categorically. There are actually few environmental conditions that would make it grossly maladaptive.

Why would an ancient society, bent on survival in harsh conditions, be automatically labeled as barbaric?? Bigotry, I guess.

No, the ancient Jews were quite barbaric--witness the criminal laws in Leviticus, for example. I didn't label them as barbaric without warrant.

jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, September 23, 1999 at 17:03:30 (EDT) from 147.226.152.62


This is a very informative site, Keep up the good work.If we don't have you and others keeping us informed the liberal democrates will eliminate the entire bill of rights.
Michael Hadley <Mkh4119@aol.com>
Texas City, TX USA - Thursday, September 23, 1999 at 14:17:03 (EDT) from spider-wi043.proxy.aol.com
jsb is back with his postulations and axioms again: ZZZZZZZZ Catholic homophobia is due to Jewish homophobia, and it's the outgrowth of an ancient, barbaric culture--namely, that of the old desert nomads. Many barbaric cultures were and are homophobic; it's very common. But it's an outdated bigotry, and anyone in 20th century America who dislikes gays simply because they are gay is irrational. Fear of homosexuals?? Who's afraid?? And dislike?? There are enough gays around whom I happen to like. So I would rather see them alive at 75 rather than dead at 54, which is the current average U.S. lifespan of gay men. Why would you say that religious groups dislike certain people just because there are rules restricting behavior which is demonstrably maladaptive in terms of survival. This is the real source of discouragement of gay Behavior patterns. Why would an ancient society, bent on survival in harsh conditions, be automatically labeled as barbaric?? Bigotry, I guess. Misunderstanding of what is different. Judgmentalism. Prejudice.
hoHO!

Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Thursday, September 23, 1999 at 11:48:54 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
Who is this "Boobie" character? "Boobie" is what my daughter says and probably thinks when she wants to nurse! (LOL)
Annette
USA - Thursday, September 23, 1999 at 10:40:00 (EDT) from spider-ti021.proxy.aol.com
Hey, Annie, Boobie's my good friend, and I know all about the magic markers and coke bottles. He says it's the best fun he's ever had without laughing. He'll return the "borrowed" articles a little later, after he's finished with them. So give him a break, eh?
Alvy
USA - Wednesday, September 22, 1999 at 13:39:16 (EDT) from ORION.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
That shmuck, Boobie Prater, has stolen my magic markers again. That's the 3rd set this year!!! First it was spatulas, then coke bottles, now markers. He's obsessed. Oh, the inhumanity.........where will it end? I'm going to get to the bottom of this if it's the last thing I do!!!!
Annie
CA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 1999 at 00:51:03 (EDT) from gene.compuall.net
You would have an interesting conversation with gay Catholics, or with a priest I know who preaches against gay discrimination.

Yes, there are gay Catholics, etc., but the fact is that the CC does not officially accept them as they are. The catechism says they are "called to celibacy," IIRC--basically, "You can be gay, just don't have sex with your own gender." Uh-huh; that's a sentiment just brimming with acceptance, like: "You can be a Catholic, just don't go to Mass or take communion".

Catholic homophobia is due to Jewish homophobia, and it's the outgrowth of an ancient, barbaric culture--namely, that of the old desert nomads. Many barbaric cultures were and are homophobic; it's very common. But it's an outdated bigotry, and anyone in 20th century America who dislikes gays simply because they are gay is irrational.

jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, September 22, 1999 at 00:47:05 (EDT) from 147.226.152.85


I just read your spiel about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence and mockery of the Catholic Church. Let me say that until the stops mocking and hating gay people I'll support anyone who mocks it. I am gay and am fed up with the privileges religious ideologues have. Freedom from religion is my motto. Not to mention bodily integrity (that means freedom from anti abortionists).
David Skidmore <d.skidmore@unsw.edu.au>
Sydney, NSW Australia - Tuesday, September 21, 1999 at 23:15:34 (EDT) from cache1.uwn.unsw.EDU.AU
You would have an interesting conversation with gay Catholics, or with a priest I know who preaches against gay discrimination. Regarding abortion, perhaps you should talk to some of the people at PLAGAL.
Oh my god! I looooove marvin!! He is the coolest, your page is the best. hehe i prinited out you pics of him and put them on my agenda. Ya, i love him soo much! Well anyways if you get more pics or something of him email me or something .. i would loove to have them man! And All You Marvin Lovers out there you guys are AWSOME!!!! love ya!! :0) if you guys have icq my names Sar :O) and my number is 49892502 latEr
Sar <sac@home.com>
Canada - Tuesday, September 21, 1999 at 16:37:20 (EDT) from proxy1.mtnk1.on.wave.home.com
I love your site...im new on the net am and attempting to create my own Marvin Page...borrowed some pics...thanx...e-mail me or visit my site
Melinda <lindy@fastnet.aunz.com>
Maleny, Qld Australia - Tuesday, September 21, 1999 at 09:45:35 (EDT) from canary.dataline.net.au
I think any websites are good if they have anything to do with Princess Diana! It's been two years and I know that I'll never forget who she was or what she did. Thanks, never forget Princess Diana.
Becky <josefina4@hotmail.com>
Owatonna, MN USA - Monday, September 20, 1999 at 18:56:21 (EDT) from TC-195.IC.Owatonna.MN.US
Carolyn, Your website tribute to Princess Diana is very lovely and touching. Thank you for a beautiful website and congratulations on a job well done. Everyone is invited to visit my Tribute to Princess Diana at: HRH, Diana, The Princess of Wales~Celebration of Her Life: http://www.joansukjournal.com/links/celebration1.htm Thank you ever so much.
Joan Morgan <joanmorgan@england.com>
UK - Sunday, September 19, 1999 at 01:38:14 (EDT) from dialup1730-pri.voicenet.com
Great page! I really enjoyed your conservative views which are similar to my own, and I especially thought your anti-abortion site was well done. Keep up the good work, and if you haven't already, (when you were verifying that I had the cring code on my page) please visit my site dedicated to President Reagan (http://www.godblessronaldreagan.com). Other readers of this guestbook are also welcome, of course. BTW, do you have any tips about advertising one's conservative website? If so, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Scott
Scott M. Rosen <srosen@usermail.com>
Sharon, MA USA - Saturday, September 18, 1999 at 22:32:32 (EDT) from dial-AA-p2-164.bos.ma.meganet.net
Great Americans. We need to find another Ronald Reagan. He is out there and we will find him! Things are getting better, they are getting better every day. In the end, we will have our America back. Good luck to you all and God bless.
Spencer Rogers <x13337@exmail.usma.edu>
Tolland, CT USA - Saturday, September 18, 1999 at 10:08:21 (EDT) from 134.240.50.113
I turned on the tv for once (whoda thunk?) and saw that NJ is a disaster zone. Gov. Whitless was even lecturing about it, and a building was ON FIRE. I wonder how Interstat itself is holding up! What a mess...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, September 17, 1999 at 14:38:56 (EDT) from ip116.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Carolyn, I hope you and your family and friends made it through the hurricane with no damage
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Friday, September 17, 1999 at 09:58:39 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Just a LOT of flooding in nearby areas, but we didn't have any damage at my house.
I love Marvin the Martian and your right the stores dont have to much stuff of him! I am going to complain to the manager ! I even have a seperate corner in my room dedicated to Marvin the Martian! Kepp updateing your things here hes so cute and deep indide everyone knows hes the BEST!!!
Ashley <Alatflaca@aol.com>
Miramar, Fl USA - Thursday, September 16, 1999 at 15:06:55 (EDT) from spider-ti021.proxy.aol.com
So, Carolyn, is Hurricane Floyd headed your way now? Hope it misses you and your loved ones! Stay safe!
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Thursday, September 16, 1999 at 02:03:04 (EDT) from ppp-173-19.lodinet.com
I think marvin the martian is truly out of this world. If there is an official marvin fan club hang me a note. Dani
Dani Marsaa <sdhoff@daktel.net>
carrrington, nd USA - Wednesday, September 15, 1999 at 20:31:16 (EDT) from proxy-317.public.rwc.webtv.net
Greetings from Saskatchewan in the heartland of western Canada. You certainly are a most remarkable and extraordinary person ! God bless you.
Michael Robert McCafferty <diefenbaker@canada.com>
Regina, SK CANADA - Wednesday, September 15, 1999 at 03:34:44 (EDT) from node15.dlcwest.com
Work? Hey, just because I am at the office at 12:45 am.....
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 1999 at 00:42:39 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
Hey Carolyn ya work too much take a vacation! *DUCK* hehehe ¦-]
Guess Who
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 1999 at 00:41:33 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Marvin is the best. he is much better than Taz. i loved the web site. always remember that Marvin rules!!!
Molly Lawhead <Martians7@aol.com>
Greeley, CO USA - Tuesday, September 14, 1999 at 17:58:12 (EDT) from spider-tf031.proxy.aol.com
Great Marvin site....well done.
Ross B
Glasgow, Scotland - Monday, September 13, 1999 at 13:34:14 (EDT) from p18-nsv1-renfrew2.tch.dtn.ntl.com
Hey Cinnamon take a 'lude
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Monday, September 13, 1999 at 12:04:00 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
Your site is really really lame.
Cinnamon <ladybud@idirect.com>
toronto, na Canada - Sunday, September 12, 1999 at 12:55:08 (EDT) from proxy1.mtnk1.on.wave.home.com
melissa loves marvin so i put her name in place of mine
melissa ann butterfield
USA - Sunday, September 12, 1999 at 12:38:27 (EDT) from spider-wj053.proxy.aol.com
>you conservatives are really into false accusations arent you.

you are really into making an a$$ out of yourself, arent you Wendy/Saturn/Disgusted?

> So there are others out there who have said negative >things about carolyn and all of a sudden you are claiming I am the >same as the rest? Not true but like you people would listen.

The only person we see doing the sort of thing you are doing is YOU, and you alone. *Why* we dont know-I suspect its envy...

>If plm and rad are defenders of carolyn then they are a terrible >example for conservatives and prolife people. if these are the friends >carolyn has then it makes my point even clearer.

(1) I am happy to defend an innocent person. (2) I am happy to be that innocent person's friend...

> I could stake my life on the fact I am not jealous of carolyn.

I could stake my life on the fact that you are. It comes thru loud and clear with every post, where you use personal insults, based on your (hateful due to extreme jealousy) perception of her personal appearence, boyfriend, etc. Those that can, do, and those that cant, cut those that do, down...

>fake people and people who have such oversized egos do nothing >for me

Ok, how many aliases have you used on these sites for months miss "real"? Lets see: Wendy, SaturnnSun, Disgusted, etc. And lied about doing so and admitted it? How long will it be before you admit lying about your current nick? Pretending like you just met everyone around here? I dont think Carolyn has an oversized ego, but I DO think you *lack* one entirely, since you seem to have no life other than to trash guestbooks with personal insults because you secretly fear you dont measure up yourself, so you feel a dysfunctional need to attack *successful* women-like Carolyn.

>and as this is the fourth time I have been here

You have been around for MONTHS! Spamming. Truth stretcher!

>I dont even care about her gobs of pages about herself.

Those that CAN Wendy/Saturn/Disgusted, etc., DO and those that cant, attack those that are! You care, in fact, you wish you WERE her. It oozes out in every spamming. You are INSANELY jealous of her...

I only came here to read the quibble and child sized tantrums from >her "intelligent" friends. lol.

Tell me, is innacurately and spitefully ridiculing somebody's personal appearence, boyfriend, etc., based on envy, not childish? Please get a life before you crticize others. Get and keep a boyfriend, send a pic, get a perm at a salon, and THEN we will talk. Until then, just shut up...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Sunday, September 12, 1999 at 09:09:56 (EDT) from ip193.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hi, I've looked at the marvin part of your site and I think it's really good. I'm trying to make my own marvin site and any help from you woyuld be really great. Keep up the good work!
Becky <silverdoor83@hotmail.com>
Sheffield, England - Saturday, September 11, 1999 at 12:15:27 (EDT) from webcache04b.cache.pol.co.uk
You have a great Marvin site. will be back again.
Donald <wingman@uswest.net>
Colorado USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 22:00:39 (EDT) from pdialup154.dnvr.uswest.net
Hi again, Carolyn. Just took a look at your "Paula Jones Hate Mail" page. After the first diatribe(Carville's talking points), the liberal dingbat signs herself (himself?) as "Paula Jones" (assorted obscenities), "Trailer Park, AK". I think they meant AR (Arkansas). AK is Alaska's abbreviation. They probably have trailer parks there; the mobile homes are just better insulated. Maybe this bright elitist might like to go to nightschool and brush up on high school geography with the common folk.
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 20:47:10 (EDT) from ppp-173-31.lodinet.com
fake people and people who have such oversized egos do nothing for me

Then I guess you don't do too much for yourself.

jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 19:34:44 (EDT) from 147.226.152.73


I've seen the negatives and that "object" that you claim is a Go-Bot is really a bar of Dove soap.

Okay, so I was slightly wrong--it's a Transformer that transforms from a bar of Dove into Optimus Prime and not a Go-Bot at all. A nightvision telephoto lens comes in pretty handy, esp. when weilded by my private dick.

But if you don't tell me where the bodies are hidden, I'm sending enhanced photos of bathtub Heather and her Dove Transformer to every major newspaper in the solar system. And I mean it.


Tilton Prater
USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 19:31:22 (EDT) from 147.226.152.73


Hi Carolyn Gosh, I've got to come back to your site sometime. Landed here from somewhere, cannot remember from where. Too late in the evening, must go to sleep now. Read some of the comments. Need more time to get the whole story. All I want to say so far is : Go girl ! GO ! Greetings from South Africa Robert
Robert Smith <smithr3@webmail.co.za>
Cape Town, South Africa - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 18:46:03 (EDT) from 196.25.255.103
Heather plays with Go-Bots in the bathtub
Lies. Vicious lies. You haven't any documentation. You haven't any proof. I've seen the negatives and that "object" that you claim is a Go-Bot is really a bar of Dove soap. Now go find someone to branch out of your family tree with.

Heather
CA USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 18:15:11 (EDT) from ace.compuall.net
Saintly Site Keep up the good work I hope someone out there can help me. I was told that: Mother Teresa said: " If you want to change the world, change your hearth and deal with what's at your feet." I really need to know if Mother Teresa really said this and where I can verify this. Thanks a million Paul
Paul Lauzon <clclobby@cyberus.ca>
Ottawa, ON CAN - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 15:32:31 (EDT) from ip26.ts17-3.mn.dialup.ottawa.cyberus.ca
Wendy/Disgusted: Get help before your obsession with Carolyn eats you alive. All you're doing is making a total fool of yourself (as you've done for months) and wasting energy you could use for more productive purposes.
Sehlat
USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 12:29:17 (EDT) from libbkr197.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Poor Poor "Disgusted" has no life
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 10:45:04 (EDT) from cnsrv2.inlink.com
you conservatives are really into false accusations arent you. So there are others out there who have said negative things about carolyn and all of a sudden you are claiming I am the same as the rest? Not true but like you people would listen. If plm and rad are defenders of carolyn then they are a terrible example for conservatives and prolife people. if these are the friends carolyn has then it makes my point even clearer. I could stake my life on the fact I am not jealous of carolyn. fake people and people who have such oversized egos do nothing for me and as this is the fourth time I have been here I dont even care about her gobs of pages about herself. I only came here to read the quibble and child sized tantrums from her "intelligent" friends. lol.
Disgusted
USA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 09:59:52 (EDT) from spider-wi071.proxy.aol.com
ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
HELLO!!!
YOON-SHIN CHO <FINKL99@NETGO.COM >
SEOUL, KOREA - Friday, September 10, 1999 at 09:29:04 (EDT) from 210.115.78.144
Check out this liberal waste of time message board @ pepsiboodbath.com- go there and tell them how you feel- under their guestbook link
bork
LA, CA USA - Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 23:05:09 (EDT) from pool0667.cvx18-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net
Heather plays with Go-Bots in the bathtub.
Tilton Prater
USA - Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 22:28:06 (EDT) from 147.226.152.70
Hey, I love your Marvin page...he is so awesome!! "Oh goody, my aludium Q-36 explosive space modulator!"
Erin <PomDanzer@aol.com>
IN USA - Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 18:02:18 (EDT) from spider-tr042.proxy.aol.com
I enjoye your web page. I did bookmark it and plan to return often.
vonda <vondak@webtv.net>
Brewton, Al USA - Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 15:14:05 (EDT) from proxy-517.public.rwc.webtv.net
I simply love your page....
Katee <katee16@bigfoot.com>
Singapore - Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 13:42:31 (EDT) from milkyway.singnet.com.sg
thanks for having a web site for Marvin he's my favorite toon and theres only one other web site I found for him!!
T.Dahlke <shadrachb_boys@hotmail.com>
wi USA - Wednesday, September 08, 1999 at 18:38:59 (EDT) from spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com
36 year old conservative male. BA (Medieval History) BS (Education) BS (Computer science) MCNE, MCSE, A+, Net+. Not all us Southern Indiaa People are uneducated hicks. Though I'm sure some Liberals will feel necessary to rubricize me as such. Very impressive, this site. I've added it to my personal favorite sites on my bookmarks. I'm most amused (in a sad way, truth be told) at the vitriol on your hate mail pages. And this from the party and philosophy of tolerance and freedom? Well, little wonder the symbol of the democratic party (lower case intended) is a jackass. Personally, I'm suprised the Jackasses of the world don't protest this base canard. (For you entymologically challenged proponents of "outcome based education" that's "dissing") I'm also rather amused (but not suprised) at the ad homenim attacks on your personal appearance. I had to check the photos page. Very Hot. And this from a woman fully clothed. May I suggest that you recommend to these people a good optometrist, or hormone therapy? If you send out update alerts, please number me among the recipients.
Pete Jensen <dvader@hsonline.net>
Seymour, IN USA - Wednesday, September 08, 1999 at 18:00:09 (EDT) from firewall9.cummins.com
Ok, are you happy now? I finally signed your @#$@ guestbook after 4 years. And you are still the biggest internet dork I know, hehe. PS: I finally updated my home page info after 3 years.
Artist formerly known as "The Man" <dyu@sensenet.com>
Hackensack, NJ USA - Wednesday, September 08, 1999 at 12:42:53 (EDT) from qadev1.sensenet.com
I arrived at the guestbook from a search engine so NONE of the entries make sense, but hey, I never could pass up the opportunity of leaving my mark in a good guestbook.
Bill K
UK - Wednesday, September 08, 1999 at 03:09:40 (EDT) from webcache14b.cache.pol.co.uk
But I'd be willing to give you a great deal on some Matchbox cars.

Only if the new paintjobs are better than Tilton's.

I know!!! Didn't I see you in "Deliverance?"

Yep. I was the guy who didn't get any. I still lay awake at night, pining over the lost opportunity.


Boobie Prater
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 22:22:10 (EDT) from 147.226.152.87


You have GOT to visit the latest addition to my website, The Al Gore 'I want to be your President' Page. http://www.lvcablemodem.com/adj/the_al_gore__i_want_to_be_your.html Pass it on. Regards, Professor Jerry Mander,Political Ethics Consultant, Author, Lecturer.
Professor Jerry Mander <adj@lvcm.com>
Las Vegas, NV USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 21:27:26 (EDT) from dhcp162.67.lvcm.com
I dont mind Hillary's glutteous maximus, HP, I dont look at it enough to care what its like! I mind her warped political & sick babymurdering proabortion views. I dont want *that* woman serving. Lets pick a better more qualified prolife woman and we can talk. Why cant we get rid of these TWO guys? As far as I am concerned, Hillary isnt much better, arguably worse (for putting up with Slick's wetting his willy on everything that moved) than Bill Clinton. And shes BEEN running the USA anyway since day one! :P Do we need her stinking up the senate???

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 15:45:18 (EDT) from 38.27.176.240


How about the bulk of our media?? They are not osculating the gluteus MAXIMUS of Hillary Clinton. Watch 'em ignore Hillary's obvious involvement in that amnesty for Puerto Rican terrorists fiasco, and accept her claim not to have consulted with Bill on the deal. I think our mainstream media may instead have accepted assignment to the valley between Hillary's two gluteal muscles, cushioned with generous adipose. They look stupid......the media that is. I try not to look at Hillary Yuckie poo.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 13:31:19 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
Gluteous maximus??? I cant even spell it, let alone say it! :P But good points, which I agree with. On the fairness issue, Carolyn has alot more patience than I do. Actually, alot of folks seem to be less "tolerant" of right leaning persons like Carolyn than the reverse, I have so noticed. Its interesting how often they get bashed and called names for their beliefs and how uncommon it seems that the right wingers instigate it, or even return it, in personal ways especially that are NOT relevant to the issues. Recall what happened on the Clinton fiasco, when many liberals defended Slick, and when it was pointed out he was a creep, they attacked the charge revealers, shrugging his crimes off and calling Republicans "mean spirited and out for blood where is your compassion?" And "why are you conservatives so obsessed with sex?" And "You want to police peoples bedrooms returning us to Victorian times, get your morality out of my pants, what Clinton does with his sex life doesnt affect his job so I dont care and neither should you!. The issue here is sex, and your preoccupation with controlling people, not these silly perjury charges! Now, lets get back to running the country's business and stop wasting taxpayer dollars and time on this silly investigation!" I am sure Carolyn remembers this when she tried to debate in her orgs (Rightgrrl) newsgroup, and got personal attacks back in return for exposing Clinton's criminality. How many people can say personal attacks come from Carolyn, as opposed to the reverse? Like ZERO. But the flood of viscious hate mail to the right wingers is like the niagra falls at times! It never ceases to amaze me the riff raff that feel they must cram their views down right wing throats while preaching to the righters that DONT do that for them not to do that! Now, how hypocritical can you get or is that??? Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 10:53:20 (EDT) from ip168.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


To "Disgusted" -- who kisses Carolyn's butt? How can you obsfucate the gluteus maximus of someone you never even met?? I just think this is a very well-done website and I admire Carolyn for tolerating views that differ from her own, including those of this non-Christian left-leaning pro-lifer. And the point I was trying to make about looks was WHO CARES HOW SOMEONE LOOKS? I've met people who were "beautiful" and were real jerks, and others who looked like Puumba (the wart-hog in The Lion King, who were wonderful people. So start concentrating on what's really important!
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 10:26:01 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
Ok. Insomnia. I am still listening to that toon, and its 3:26 am...:P

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 04:47:20 (EDT) from ip112.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Nah, hubcaps aren't my gig. But I'd be willing to give you a great deal on some Matchbox cars. Boobie.........Boobie..........hmmm, you sure seem familiar. I know!!! Didn't I see you in "Deliverance?"
Heather
CA USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 03:30:07 (EDT) from bad.finger.compuall.net
Carolyn: I love your website. It's the very best. I have been a solid liberal Democrat for many, many years. I am a direct descendant of Presidents John and John Quincy Adams, to several signers on the Constitution, and to several immigrants on the Mayflower, including John Alden and Priscilla Mullens-Alden. I cannot support criminal activites of anyone, regardless of party affiliation. I never voted for Bill Clinton. I didn't know a thing about Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, until a year after they were elected, (we have a co-Presidency): my stepbrother, who has been in the Navy since the 60's, stated to me that due to Navy Counter-Intelligiance rules, he is forbidden from saying anything, but he gave me several published books on how dirty the Clintons really are. He has many different times emphasized that it is far worse situation in the White House than what John Gotti has ever done: there have been many Arkansas and White House directed murders of people who knew too much about the Clintons: usually "suicide", (including Foster), or "plane wrecks", (including Brown). He stated that if you know too much, you'll either disappear, either willing or otherwise, or you'll end up dead. I asked him if everyone in Congress knew this. He sadly shook his head and said, "Yes, each one has always known this, but they are afraid to say anything. They and their families could die. That's why they support Mr. Clinton. They could never remove him from office or else they would be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives" If all of the factual documentation of the corruption of the Clintons in the Arkansas and White House, and the Gores in the White House, was put into one book, it would exceed the pages of War and Peace several hundred pages. Most shocking is the tragic, untimely deaths of those three Arkansas teenagers who accidentally witnessed an illegal drug drop, tied in with the Clintons. Now we have Hillary Rodham Clinton moving to New York: why?, to replace the Gotti clan? WHAT IS NEXT? How come the Republicans haven't been vocal each day on television, and on the internet, about how dirty the Clintons and Gores really are? What the Clintons and Gores have going for them: almost total public apathy. I am very proud of my rich American roots: I am however, quite afraid that the Clintons and Gores have permanently damaged our American liberties with their criminal activities: clearly, the situation is way, way out of control!!!! from Mr. Dana Karl Hall, 1-360-936-1920
Mr. Dana Karl Hall <danaswedehall@hotmail.com>
Vancouver USA, WA USA - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 03:28:46 (EDT) from 1Cust128.tnt2.camas.wa.da.uu.net
I just stick it under my trenchcoat and make a break for the get away car.

Hey, Heather, do you steal hubcaps and bicycles, too? I really need someone to help me. Do you run fast? Have sharp eyes? I need a lookout and a runner. Report to 109 East Warren Street, Peru, IN.

Thanks, Boobie
Boobie Prater
USA - Monday, September 06, 1999 at 22:39:00 (EDT) from 147.226.91.107


HI, I really enjoy your site!!! I've always been a MARVIN lover, because my husband's name is MARVIN and he was born 11-01-48 just like you! I collect all MARVIN things too. I am getting a tattoo of you on my shoulder. Thanks!!!!
DEBI CLEMENTS <CLEMENTSRI@AOL.COM>
PORTSMOUTH, RI USA - Monday, September 06, 1999 at 22:04:08 (EDT) from spider-tq022.proxy.aol.com
hey caroline what's up i just read one of your things it is really cool!!! bye
Heather
RH, KS USA - Monday, September 06, 1999 at 21:18:14 (EDT) from spider-te034.proxy.aol.com
Is Carolyn going to be a peach and remember what day this is??? Think hard...

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, CA USA - Monday, September 06, 1999 at 16:47:56 (EDT) from ip3.austin20.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


i don't know you, you don't know me, but this is a good page of sounds. i like my site too so if you have some free time visit it. it's good, oh by the way i hate barney too!
David
va USA - Monday, September 06, 1999 at 15:36:27 (EDT) from 4000-129.inetconnect.net
Hehehe.....sorry, PBMG, I'm just having THD withdrawals........
Heather
CA USA - Monday, September 06, 1999 at 12:40:47 (EDT) from aerosmith.compuall.net
C.G. I may not agree to all of your politics, but will defend to the death your right to voice them. Impressive web site. The fact that it is creating conflict and arguments is a partial victory as it has people thinking. Best wishes to you and yours. Oh by the way the fact that we will be cancelling each others votes in the Presidential race should we just meet for coffee and discuss how it should have come out? :^)
Arlan and Barbara Beckman <abeckman@plutonium.net>
Cedar Rapids, IA USA - Monday, September 06, 1999 at 11:13:42 (EDT) from nport122.plutonium.net
I LOVE MARVIN AND THANKS FOR THE COOL WEB SITE!!!
volleyfrog <Volleyfrog1@aol.com>
Allen, tx USA - Sunday, September 05, 1999 at 17:44:31 (EDT) from spider-te021.proxy.aol.com
Yeesh, can't a girl buy some frozen OJ without starting a fuss? ;)
Brenda
Waterloo, Canada - Sunday, September 05, 1999 at 16:12:13 (EDT) from bacon.math.uwaterloo.ca
Carolyn I can't comment on Joe (cuz I'm a male type lifeform) But you look d@#n fine to me! Don't let wendy/saturn/disgustING get to you! Oh btw disgustING Carolyn is a far more nice person than you'll ever be. Btw DisgusTING how did you get away with not taking your medicine today and how did you gain access to a computer from a locked mental ward?
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Sunday, September 05, 1999 at 03:19:00 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
hoHO! Just Partying! :-) That's not my next door neighbor in the frozen food section. Uzi is doing what he does best, putting smiles on the faces of multiple cows right now. This is his happiest time of year.
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Saturday, September 04, 1999 at 23:35:41 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
Wendy/Saturn/Disgusted, etc., where do we begin? I suppose from the top:

>how can you be jealous of someone who does not have a real life but lives it online all day long and every day at that.

Gargaro WORKS at/for an ISP web design firm, Interstat, so she is connected to the net almost CONSTANTLY as a part of her job.

>Her boyfriend looks like something left behind a building and I wouldnt look twice.

The only women that criticize other women's boyfriends are ones that dont have one or cant get/keep one...

>As for her looks? She is definately not in her 20's.

So, are you saying she faked her birth ceritificate now???

>My mother has better skin and hair than that mess. I am being serious. She looks like she is at least in her 40's.

Wendy/Saturn/Disgusted, you need glasses or contacts or something!

>Which isnt bad but I dont know anyone who wants to look older than their years.

Can you send us a pic of you, Miss America? If not, shut up!

>Her figure is no different than most womens

It looks pretty good from here! :^) Do you clean your glasses regularly?

>and her job is nothing to be desired.

It is cutting edge, in fact...

>I wouldnt want to sit on my ass all day long

So, tell me, assmover, what is the going rate for Dancers? Does it depend on where customers can stuff dollar bills?

>and as for msnbc, she certainly hasnt been on lately and you call an opinion here and there "big"? Get real.

How many times have YOU been on msnbc?

>What makes you think all people want to be on tv?

Apparently YOU do, given how you obviously envy HER appearences enough to jealously minimize by your idiotic blather the actual significance of them...

> You are one of those people who only care about the outside and it is so obvious.

Ok, in several posts, you ignorantly criticize her looks, hair, skin, weight, etc., now, who is superficial and cares only for "outside" things?

>She is not highly respected and not known all over the web.

How many web sites do YOU have? That you manage? That you design? That youve worked on? How respected and known are you on the net? The only thing you have become known for is posting under multiple nicks and ruining guestbooks and having bad spelling!

>All you have to do is look at the people kissing her butt all day long, it is embarassing to read.

My, you really *DO* envy her dont you?

> She has nothing I want and its amusing you would even state such a thing.

My, you really, really, really, really, want to be her, dont you?

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Saturday, September 04, 1999 at 20:49:51 (EDT) from ip204.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


how can you be jealous of someone who does not have a real life but lives it online all day long and every day at that. Her boyfriend looks like something left behind a building and I wouldnt look twice. As for her looks? She is definately not in her 20's. My mother has better skin and hair than that mess. I am being serious. She looks like she is at least in her 40's. Which isnt bad but I dont know anyone who wants to look older than their years. Her figure is no different than most womens and her job is nothing to be desired. I wouldnt want to sit on my ass all day long and as for msnbc, she certainly hasnt been on lately and you call an opinion here and there "big"? Get real. What makes you think all people want to be on tv? You are one of those people who only care about the outside and it is so obvious. She is not highly respected and not known all over the web. All you have to do is look at the people kissing her butt all day long, it is embarassing to read. She has nothing I want and its amusing you would even state such a thing. Your whole post was nonsense and there is nothing wrong with wal-mart. It is obvious you are a negative, nasty person and cant handle your god being criticized. as for the rad dude, tos me all you want you wimpy freak. You have nothing better to do.
Disgusted
USA - Saturday, September 04, 1999 at 17:38:37 (EDT) from spider-th082.proxy.aol.com
This entry was terribly amusing :) Heh. (and I think Joe and I look just fine :) )
I just went through your 'RightGrrl' page, and I think it's wonderful. It's nice to hear from someone like yourself, esp. on what you present on the issue of abortion. As for what's being said on here about the presidential race, IMO both GW Bush and Gore are unfit to be President. For all of my dislike for the Democratic Party, quite frankly I'd never call myself a Republican because it seems like all the party serves up are crooks like GW (here's a guy who: tries to down-play his drug use by saying his adulthood didn't begin until he was 40 [not a joke], meanwhile pushing for tougher laws on youths who commit drug-related crimes; wants more gun control [although I hate guns, they're a necessary evil in this world because of another necessary evil called government]; and stated that there should be restrictions on freedom in response to a website that was parodying his campaign ( http://www.gwbush.com ). The only person campaigning for election thus far that will even draw me to the election booth is Alan Keyes. I advise you to check out Dr. Keyes' campaign site at http://www.keyes2000.com since his views seem to line up with yours. Thanks for the great website and the reassurement that there are other sane people out there, and good luck with all your work here and elsewhere. Chad
Chad <bbmix@rocketmail.com>
Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, September 04, 1999 at 02:13:58 (EDT) from clt91-010.carolina.rr.com
Yeah, I knew. That's why I never pay for it. I just stick it under my trenchcoat and make a break for the get away car.
Heather
CA USA - Friday, September 03, 1999 at 19:19:58 (EDT) from 2000man.compuall.net
Hey Heather did ya know Ben & Jerry's gives money to planned UNParenthood and other wacked Liberal groups :(
RAD-Cnsrv <rad_cnsrv@vote4gop.org>
USA - Friday, September 03, 1999 at 12:21:05 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Hey, I've been hanging out in this frozen food section for 3 days now (I don't have a life) and anything starts to make sense after 43 pints of Cherry Garcia. Would someone please tell that woman if she's going to bring her bull in here to at least clean up after him!?!??!?!? This is the 4th time today that I've stepped in one of his "gifts."
Heather
CA USA - Friday, September 03, 1999 at 11:47:23 (EDT) from beatles.compuall.net
Ack! People are responding to my random ramblings as though I've said something of substance...something is horribly, horribly wrong with the order of the universe...
Brenda
Waterloo, Canada - Friday, September 03, 1999 at 11:13:56 (EDT) from surfec011.sybase.com
THANKS FOR THE TRIBUTE OF MARVIN THE MARTIAN HE IS MY FAVORITE AND THIS SITE DOES HIM WELL. THANKS
Susan E. Barrett <sue59@bellsouth.net>
Lake Mary, FL USA - Friday, September 03, 1999 at 10:06:03 (EDT) from host-209-214-32-70.mco.bellsouth.net
*begin funny tone*

Big toe: What bias. Its obvious you are a liberal demo! :P I am no big fan of bush junior, for the record, despite being a republican, but to say and note hes riding daddys coattails as you do, IGNORES the fact that Gore, correct me if wrong, had a daddy in politics, where the other side presents a subtle air about his "ascendency" to the throne, as if he was made for it. Really, both of these guys are alike, both of them had politiko daddy's which somehow makes some in their respective parties think they are "made for the job" by bloodline. We seem to be living now in exactly the same system we fought England over to leave...namely the idea of "right of kings" and ascendency to power is blue blood based!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*end funny tone* PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Friday, September 03, 1999 at 10:04:11 (EDT) from ip127.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Overall, I truly liked the site. Great pictures, well organized and fun. However, I disagree with the "poltical stance". I can only assume that you will be voting for George W Bush in the next presidential election. I think he is a "daddy's-little-coat-tail-riding" crook. Considering the dismal choices in the upcoming election, I had intended to avoid the next election. However, after visiting this site, I think that I will now go and cast a vote for Al Gore. Cheers!
Captain BigToe <sammyd501@yahoo.com>
USA - Thursday, September 02, 1999 at 23:19:49 (EDT) from chi-c52-001-vty4.as.wcom.net
Wheeerrrrres the BEEF?? ;-) That one in the frozen food section of some store, is looking at the vegetables only, right??? :-)
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Thursday, September 02, 1999 at 22:15:08 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
Hey, I'm married to a Carl! I had to do a double-take for a minute there. And not that he isn't handsome, but if Carolyn looked like him, I'd be a bit worried. Especially with the beard.
Jen Roth
Urbana, IL USA - Thursday, September 02, 1999 at 16:29:32 (EDT) from badger.outreach.uiuc.edu
Hey Anybody Want Some Sample Pics From The New Olympus D450 Zoom

I put this site up to show sample photos taken by the Olympus D450 Zoom.

Here is the site: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Network/3688/Camera.html

You have to go down and click on sample photos.

I would gladly thank anyone who visits the site.

Alex Huf <alexhuf@ix.netcom.com>
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, September 02, 1999 at 15:51:47 (EDT) from lai-ca3d-62.ix.netcom.com


Btw, I agree with what the individual in the frozen food section said. Now, where is that frozen mango juice?
Heather
CA USA - Thursday, September 02, 1999 at 13:54:21 (EDT) from hoolagan.compuall.net
I don't know, Melissa, show me this Carl guy and I'll let you know ;-)

Hey Carolyn, just stopped by to see what was up. Actually, my left boot was asking about you and I promised it that I'd come by and see how you were doing. I suppose whether or not you're a hotty is irrelevent but I personally don't think you're too bad for a Jersey girl. No GBH (Great Big Hair) or anything ;-) Have a glorious day!!!! Blowing kisses to you all the way from California.................
Heather
CA USA - Thursday, September 02, 1999 at 13:50:47 (EDT) from hoolagan.compuall.net


To Fed-Up" --'Scuse me, but what difference does it make whether or not Caroline has "no weight problems" or whether she weighs 300 pounds? Or whether she's a "knock-out" or not? I thought we had gotten beyond the point where we judge women by their looks. If Carolyn was named "Carl", would you have said any of these things? I know this isn't a debate board, but I'm just wondering . . .
Melissa
USA - Thursday, September 02, 1999 at 10:43:16 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
Kewl site! I really like the pictures on your site - they are all G-rated, which is so rare these days! There are so many crazy nuts out there who just put PORN all over the web. You are SO not a big fat piece of crap!
PBMG
Frozen Food Section, Some Store - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 21:31:51 (EDT) from httpproxy.math.uwaterloo.ca
Hi Carolyn's mom! :) :) :) :) :) :) I wanted to say "HI" to you!!!! I wanted to meet the person responsible for bringing to life the most wonderful woman on the planet!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) You have every reason to be very proud of her, I know I am-constantly... :) :) :)

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 17:39:56 (EDT) from ip156.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hey, "fed up," you just gave a perfect description of my daughter except you left out 'cool.' Thanks. It saved me from exercising my "mommy's bragging rights!"
Carolyn's Mother
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 17:00:20 (EDT) from port10.interstat.net
Hi Mom :) Read Mom's cool letter to the editor :)
hey, "disgusted", why not just come forward and admit you're insanely jealous of Carolyn? face it...she has a real life, a cute boyfriend, a good job, free weekends, a knock-out, drop dead figure, no weight problem, and is HIGHLY respected and admired all over the Internet, AND has made it big by being on MSNBC, ALL the things you want but can't have. AWWWWW!!!!! Now go crawl off to your shrink and make sure you pay him this time...don't blow your husband's hard-earned cash on trips to Wal-mart!
fed up
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 16:04:14 (EDT) from spider-tk084.proxy.aol.com
Hi, Saturnnsun, Wendy, a tip: change providors. That way, when you molest Carolyn she wont know who you are and neither will we, it will make the fresh insults seem new! :P

You've only been here twice??? Is that what I thought I heard you say? Are you counting Rightgrrl's GB? Or just here? You've spammed the other as wendysaturn many times. I wouldnt doubt here so stop fibbing as usual. And dont "redeny" the Saturn =wendy thing, as you admitted on THD I recall, finally, that all of our collective suspicions about your identity associated with varias aliases and nicks were right all along.

I guess my lips are full of "butt" too-maybe they are just wisening up to your game playing which implies not much of a life to go around under multiple aliases and claim they *arent* the same person whenever you are called on it...

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 14:32:50 (EDT) from ip156.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hey Disgusted get over yourself Carolyn has NOTHING TO HIDE and FYI she is not the least bit conceited and i suggest you be careful otherwise you may end up without a AOL account due to TOS violations oh and by the way I suggest you go seek some help for your mental condition there are plenty of free mental health clincs out there
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 12:49:08 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Ive been here twice.I think you need to calm your enthusiasm for youself and for the time it took you to respond pershaps you should spend less time online. But then again I am sure you will come back with all the things you do throughout the day. Get over yourself, people as conceited as you GENUINELY have something to hide.
Disgusted
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 12:19:13 (EDT) from spider-pa033.proxy.aol.com
Since I *work* online, I sometimes respond quickly... and for someone who doesn't come here often, you certainly came back to the guestbook quickly :) Have a GREAT day.
"Rad" are you able to peel your lips off Carolyns butt long enough to get some balls and stand up for whats right instead of worrying about popularity points.
Disgusted
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 11:30:45 (EDT) from spider-th052.proxy.aol.com
One has to wonder why "disgusted" (aka, "I won't leave my real name") keeps visiting a site he/she finds so distasteful. Lack of better things to do, I suppose.
Gee, Carolyn, first you've been "invited" to become a white supremacist, and now a go-go dancer. Hmm, why not consider the last option and form a group called "Exotic Dancers For Life?" You could donate some of those hefty tips to CPC's -- of course, as your manager, I would also get a cut. Think of it -- you'd make headlines (only joking of course, LOL -- I know you're not that kind of Conservative)!!
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 09:28:59 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
Thank you for a beautiful site, commemorating the life of a beautiful person.
Stephen Stocker <lpar@toto.pitton.com>
USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 09:26:16 (EDT) from toto.pitton.com
Always remember and never forget!!!
harry brock <harry_brock@yahoo.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 01:40:11 (EDT) from dt0a6n19.san.rr.com
Already it has been two years that Diana had left us at such an early age but in everyones' hearts she will live on forever. I do hope that one day in the future the memory of Diana will continue to burn bright and that her legacy lives on through the people of the next generation. But I must say, both her boys, William and Harry are carrying on just fine today; I think they will succeed in life just like their mother has. Good bless you Diana, I will remember you forever!
Vanessa <genessa71@hotmail.com>
St. Hubert, PQ Canada - Wednesday, September 01, 1999 at 00:42:52 (EDT) from spc-isp-mtl-58-5-193.sprint.ca
I AM 100% HARDCORE MARVIN THE MARTIAN FANATIC........LOOKING FORWARD FOR MORE GREAT PICS...LOVE THIS SITE THANX..........
JULIO CARRILLO JR <GREENDAYFANATIC@WEBTV.NET>
LOS ANGELES, CA USA - Tuesday, August 31, 1999 at 20:55:04 (EDT) from proxy-387.public.rwc.webtv.net
HI CAROLYN, YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL WEBSITE. I LOVE YOUR DIANA,MOTHER "T", NATIVE AMERICAN, AS WELL AS "PREBORN" SUPPORT STUFF. THANKS FOR A WARMHEARTED AND CARING WEBSITE. GOD BLESS !! -LEE
Lee Allen <leamond.allen@gsa.gov>
Chgo, IL USA - Tuesday, August 31, 1999 at 18:32:44 (EDT) from host.159-142-55-81.gsa.gov
Carolyn, what a wonderful site! I was visiting your Princess Diana tribute today and I also checked out some of your other interests. I am Pro-life too. Had a friend, about 20 yrs ago that had an abortion because she was single and I always remember her telling me how much she regretted it and I believe something like that hurts more than helps. I am soon going to be a grandmother at 42. My daughter is single and I couldn't believe alot of family/friends thought she should have an abortion or give it up for adoption because she was single. I fully supported her decision to keep the baby and she will be getting married in a few months so everything has worked out. I cannot imagine anyone getting rid of a child because they are afraid or it will interfere with their job or lives. I applaud you for letting your opinions be known and I will check your site in the future.
Deb <toffeechips@hotmail.com>
WA USA - Tuesday, August 31, 1999 at 12:40:36 (EDT) from dialin49036.turbonet.com
Your Website Is cool Please Send Me Stuff
Tom Mackenzie <tom_mack21@hotmail.com>
Frankston, Vic Australia - Tuesday, August 31, 1999 at 02:19:57 (EDT) from cache1.mpx.com.au
Jim get a grip on reality!
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Tuesday, August 31, 1999 at 00:00:19 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Carolyn, you give great "site"-- especially that Florida pic! How about some more pictures of YOU? As a former "EXIT-10" Jersey-ite, I can honestly say that the go-go bars are a-callin' but you're a Republican; Please become a Libertarian so that your FLESHLY TREASURES aren't wasted just to keep the "Dr. Lauras" from frowning!!!
Jim Koy <JAMESPKOY@webtv.net>
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, August 30, 1999 at 17:23:48 (EDT) from proxy-427.public.paix.webtv.net
I'd just like to say that I can tell that you have put your heart and soul into your site and I am pround to link my page to yours (if you don't object). Thank you.
Kenny <messages4tweek@cyberdude.com>
England - Monday, August 30, 1999 at 02:47:03 (EDT) from proxy.mcmail.com
Mother Teresa left us many gifts. Her kindness & compassion lives on & the world is a much better place because she was in it. She went to her reward. I thank her for all she has given us. She is truely a saint & I loved her. Kathleen Wysocki
Kay Wysocki <raven-katella@webtv.net>
South Dennis, Ma. USA USA - Sunday, August 29, 1999 at 12:07:08 (EDT) from proxy-347.public.rwc.webtv.net
I listened to your BYE, BYE BARNEY section. I thought my little bro, Tristan (3yrs old) would cry after listening to it, but he loved it. He was laughing his head off! He's a big Barney fan. I guess he went on his bad side.
Pamela & Tristan <pamg_santos@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 28, 1999 at 22:37:14 (EDT) from haw-207-182-224-136.vel.net
diana was a very kind loving and caring princess. on the day she died i cried and prayed she went to heaven. she was one amazing women. god bless her!!!! i love her from jaspreet kaur
jas <2z77ql>
auckland, n.z - Saturday, August 28, 1999 at 20:00:31 (EDT) from alison.paradise.net.nz
Excellent Site. A great place for resources to fight for your causes, and to fight against the establishment.
Pat Broadhurst <tmexpert@yahoo.com>
Wellington, na New Zealand - Friday, August 27, 1999 at 20:44:23 (EDT) from 210-55-84-39.dialup.xtra.co.nz
What a brilliant web page!! Rock On!! Marvin the Martian Rules!! Party Hard!!
Libby Hayes <yaahooo@yeehaa.com>
Sydney, NSW Australia - Thursday, August 26, 1999 at 08:23:02 (EDT) from spider-wd021.proxy.aol.com
Al Gore is an idiot! KEEP making fun of him. If our press corp wasn't in love with the guy more people would know what a lying dimbulb he is. Enjoyed the site, too bad if the bedwetting liberals don't like it.
Greg <gsv454@netscape.net>
USA - Thursday, August 26, 1999 at 02:13:20 (EDT) from 159.212.132.104
I really enjoyed your website. You done a great job.
Sheri <sheric@gate.net>
Patterson, Ga USA - Wednesday, August 25, 1999 at 23:20:43 (EDT) from tsway3-13.gate.net
Your Marvin Site is the best. It is where I went to find out all the marvin Info I wanted. Check out the marvin costume I made I've got a picture on my marvin site. I also like what you are publishing effects of abortion that are often kept hushed up. Byee....
Matt <middleton.matthew.md@bhp.com.au>
Whyalla, SA Australia - Wednesday, August 25, 1999 at 23:04:45 (EDT) from myoon0.connect.com.au
HI: I just started this club to help find life in space http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/6132/MarvinMartian/ and any long lost Martians. Earth creatures welcome! signed Marvin M. Martian
Marvin Martian & Friends SETI Club <marvinseti@yahoo.com>
wpg, mb Canada - Wednesday, August 25, 1999 at 21:23:22 (EDT) from mx18dl149.winnipeg.escape.ca
Marvin the Martian is off the hook, he's the dopest character...
vannessa <members.icq.com/39084190>
San Diego, ca USA - Tuesday, August 24, 1999 at 22:29:39 (EDT) from proxy1-external.elcjn1.sdca.home.com
Hi Carolyn, I love your site. Its refreshing to read sound,intellectual thought and opinion instead of the product of years of brainwashing, er Imean public education and rantings of organized dupes,excuse me ,liberals. As we all know, the recent shootings at schools and elsewhere could have been prevented if only the perpetrators had known about the beauty of diversity and gay and lesbian love. Sincerely Michael P.S. Regarding the letters(from the REAL hate-mongers, liberals) saying you are ugly, quite the contrary is true.
Michael Nearon <cipollon@wcoil.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 24, 1999 at 13:07:35 (EDT) from pm2-33.wcoil.com
When are you going to replace "What's New!" with "What's Nude!"? Honestly, don't you think it's time?
Mike <cooties@cgocable.net>
Hamilton, On CANADA - Monday, August 23, 1999 at 18:33:15 (EDT) from cogeco-24-175.cgocable.net
I love your and your friend's site. I am so glad I found it. But, I can't seem to e-mail you. Is it working? The reason I want to e-mail you is to discuss Gore's most astonishing discourse of all. His 1992 acceptance speech during which he actually claimed God only listens to him. I'm not joking! But, no one ever mentions this. If something is wrong with your e-mail, please fix it so I can detail this more. Thank you very much. You Grrrllls rule!
Adam Redfield <adam_redfield@timeinc.com>
New York, NY USA - Monday, August 23, 1999 at 17:23:09 (EDT) from gate.timeinc.com
The best site yet!! Marvin the Martian for Prez in 2000
Pete Tripp <tripp@gbso.net>
interlachen, Fl USA - Sunday, August 22, 1999 at 19:57:33 (EDT) from a75.gbso.net
Dear disgusted Carolyn is by no means a fake. She is a very genuine nice person
RAD-Cnsrv <rad_cnsrv@vote4gop.org>
Worldwide, worldwide worldwide - Sunday, August 22, 1999 at 12:40:43 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Hi there, I am a Chilean living in Poland and somehow I came across this page....very good, i especially like the part about the nazis, it makes sense, Im glad to know Im not the only one who thinks they are a bunch of leftwingers who want to nationalize everything...I am a Conservative, please check out my page....
Cristian Subiabre <leonloco@hotmail.com>
Warsaw, Poland - Sunday, August 22, 1999 at 10:17:57 (EDT) from dlp-as1-as72.ipartners.pl
your marvin page absolutly rules! thanx for such a great page. from kate
Kate C
sydney, New south wales australia - Sunday, August 22, 1999 at 03:59:31 (EDT) from manta.pnc.com.au
oh my good... it's got to be awful to be with a girl that's in love with DAN QUAYLE. by the way: is it fun always to be that righteous?
bob dole
USA - Saturday, August 21, 1999 at 20:37:36 (EDT) from host-212.121.155.18.de.colt.net
you are such a fake
disgusted
USA - Saturday, August 21, 1999 at 16:28:10 (EDT) from spider-th074.proxy.aol.com
A great job you have done here - and somehow I don't even know how I arrived but pleased I did. Please visit the Sisters of the Golden Moon site their entry page is so awesome and the org is becoming a family of loving sisters perhaps you may want to join. If not, I was pleased to visit your site. Very good. ^Reflect^
^Reflect^ <reflect@reflectionsrwf.com>
Seattle, WA USA - Saturday, August 21, 1999 at 11:13:27 (EDT) from ip212.seattle11.wa.pub-ip.psi.net
Hello there! I love your page! It's really great! I enjoyed my stay! Keep up the good work!
Pauline <paulina@keromail.com>
- Saturday, August 21, 1999 at 05:13:14 (EDT) from PROXY.UNITEDNETWORK.NET
MMMAAARRRVVVIIINNNN RRRUUULLLEEESSS
CARRIE
IGH, MMN USA - Friday, August 20, 1999 at 22:45:24 (EDT) from spider-tp031.proxy.aol.com
Just spent the whole afternoon checking out your site. (got NO work done). Really enjoyed it, and will bookmark it for sure. Enjoyed the pet peeves and the pictures. Keep up the great work!!
kathy <leblancp@klis.com>
Digby County, NS Canada - Friday, August 20, 1999 at 15:25:15 (EDT) from dial6-11.yar.klis.com
So glad I came upon your website. I will bookmark this site and come back - there is so much here that I want to read. Please visit my site if you get the chance, a very politically incorrect website about a very politically incorrect issue. Carolyn
Carolyn Flores <cflores@spiritone.com>
Portland, OR USA - Thursday, August 19, 1999 at 20:59:29 (EDT) from dyn-m4-114.spiritone.com
Hey there, Just surfin' around and saw your site. Do you have a text only version for those of us still using tin cans and wire (Netscape 2.02, 14.4 bps) as opposed to cell phones (Linux, 500 Mhz, T1)? Used to be a conservative but got tired of the Repubs selling us out - again and again and, well you know what I'm talking about. It's really sad to hear Rush almost pleading for folks not leave the R. party. I've gone libertarian - I'll take principles to elections anyday. One thing, though, I hunted up 'right-wing wackos' on google.com and was surprised at the name calling and level of hate directed at those who dare question them (modern liberals). Maybe we should have something like discipline and bearing tests for modern liberals before they come near anything that can be used as a weapon - guns, knives, cars, rocks. "Are you or have you ever been a member of the Democratic Party?" Nicely developed site.
J Stanfield
U.S.S.A - Thursday, August 19, 1999 at 00:14:00 (EDT) from tp71.tigerpaw.com
Hi, greetings from old GERMANY, hope all free speakers and people with own opinions are fine. Michael
Michael Wahl <dunkleronkel@gmx.net>
Solingen, NRW Germany - Wednesday, August 18, 1999 at 21:06:09 (EDT) from line200.kdt.de
I really enjoyed your web site. I hope you don't mind that I put a link from my web site to yours. http://members.tripod.com/~usagraphics/index.html With the loss of our JFK jr..... the loss of Britians beloved Princess is even more intensified.
maryann myers <myersimaging@yahoo.com>
vallejo, CA USA - Wednesday, August 18, 1999 at 01:30:39 (EDT) from usr60-dialup93.mix1.Sacramento.cw.net
I really enjoyed your web site. I hope you don't mind that I put a link from my web site to yours. With the loss of our JFK jr..... the loss of Britians beloved Princess is even more intensified.
maryann myers <myersimaging@yahoo.com>
vallejo, CA USA - Wednesday, August 18, 1999 at 01:29:07 (EDT) from usr60-dialup93.mix1.Sacramento.cw.net
I enjoyed everything I read on your site. I linked to your homepage through the ribbon campaign site. Although I may not completely agree with everything you have to say, I certainly respect your opinions. Now--if only I could learn to design webpages half as well as you.... Keep up the good work! :o)
Rachele <rach97@williamstonnc.com>
Plymouth, NC USA - Wednesday, August 18, 1999 at 01:06:59 (EDT) from pm-ior2q.roanokenet.com
Have fought for America as a WW 2 combat Vet, life member VFW & DAV, Also Life Member of 3rd & 4th. Deg. K of C. Sounds like you talk like I think. Would like to get your E mail. Do not have a web site. The declin of the morality of America scares me badly. Tom Burns
Tom Burns <burnstf@webtv.net>
Burton, Mi USA - Wednesday, August 18, 1999 at 00:18:02 (EDT) from proxy-317.public.rwc.webtv.net
Great sites- I enjoy the humor, the morality, the sanity and the politics. You have combined it all in a wonderful way.
Mike Grove <riopine@netscape.net>
Hedgesville, WV USA - Tuesday, August 17, 1999 at 18:05:47 (EDT) from unknown-27-166.firstdata.com
SOY FANATICA DE MARVIN THE MARTIAN Y ME ENCANTARIA QUE ME ENVIARAN MAS INFORMACION Y FOTOS.
Florymar De Jesus <fdjmm@yahoo.com>
Ponce, P.R. USA - Tuesday, August 17, 1999 at 13:44:13 (EDT) from 200.30.22.204
Great site! You certainly shoot down the stereotype of conservative women as unattractive, lonely, no-fun old maids! :-) The world needs more beautiful, fun-loving, outspoken conservative females like you! Dittos, and keep up the good work!
H.B. Elkins <hbelkins@mis.net>
KY USA - Tuesday, August 17, 1999 at 10:25:27 (EDT) from 162.114.45.210
THIS PLACE IS SOOOOO COOL. I HAVNT SEEN A BETTER ONE YET... KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, AND LET ME KNOW THE LATEST ON MARVIN THE MARTIAN..
JUSTAGIRL <ADAVIS9975@AOL.COM>
LOUISVILLE, KY USA - Tuesday, August 17, 1999 at 01:55:07 (EDT) from spider-tn021.proxy.aol.com
Carolyn, YOUR SITE ROCKS! I frequently refer people to your essay on your pro-life view. God bless you! Adam
Eaglet <Eaglet@voteforsmith.org>
Nasvhille, TN USA - Monday, August 16, 1999 at 14:41:35 (EDT) from pc.envoy.com
well,I think you need to add more pictures...... but all are ok.. e-mail me as soon as you read this..
EDISON SAYNES <edsayn@yahoo.com>
Cebu City, cebu philippines - Sunday, August 15, 1999 at 05:09:34 (EDT) from 203.177.23.5
Just dropped in @ 3:30am. Cool home page. I found the wide range of subjects interesting. You are very pretty. Keep up the good work.
bruce yarbor <byarbor@telepath.com>
Yukon, Ok USA - Sunday, August 15, 1999 at 04:52:51 (EDT) from 216.14.1.148
I have never been so ahgast! An entire page devoted to that fiend from outerspace! Porky and I will have to search for the offender and seek to claim our rightful place on this page as Duck Dodger in the 21rst century. PS. What a great site---THANKS! M. M.
Roger Dodger <GeeFam5@worldnertatt.net>
Rockford, IL USA - Saturday, August 14, 1999 at 23:29:37 (EDT) from 120.chicago-36-37rs.il.dial-access.att.net
I CLAIM THIS SITE IN THE NAME OF ~~*MARVIN*~~......ISNT THAT LOVELY? HEHEHE..I LOVE MARVIN THE MARTIAN AND ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS AGREE THAT THERE ARENT MANY SITES OR STORES THAT HAVE HIM. THANX FOR MAKING THIS..ITS REALLY GREAT! ~~*Lnz*~~
Lnz <LnZ569@AOL.COM>
Keithville, La USA - Saturday, August 14, 1999 at 14:35:20 (EDT) from spider-ta011.proxy.aol.com
*shrug*
I'm a Liberal...Am I missing something here? Change is good, accept it :D

<kiondike@yahoo.com>
Burlington, IO USA - Saturday, August 14, 1999 at 00:52:24 (EDT) from dialup12maxb140.francomm.com
Thanks for the fun of surfing your sit! I never had so much fun! I'll be back again soon!
Laura George <laurla70@hotmail.com>
Carbonear, Canada - Friday, August 13, 1999 at 13:20:19 (EDT) from 141.109.195.209
I like so meny others i saw on your site,like Marvin The Martin very much. I was very glad to see someone take there time to do a website on him. Thanks Alot Skip
Skip <skip@globalco.net>
Zanesville, OH USA - Friday, August 13, 1999 at 00:41:26 (EDT) from cust199.globalco.net
I'm a socialist pacifist egalitarian, means a christian, and I aprove everything that is said in this site and if you want to discuss on Jesus, seamless garment pacifism, socialism, don't hesitate to write me on, particularly if you live in eastern Canada or New England Jesus bless you all! Rodrigue
Rodrigue Allard <rod@pop.mlink.net>
Quebec, QC Canada - Thursday, August 12, 1999 at 21:17:55 (EDT) from dyn33.max1.Quebec.Mlink.NET
Just wanted to share a very informative web page I found that shows the truth about the UNITED NATIONS. http://www.kenraggio.com/KRPN-Babylon-Meares.htm
Lewis
USA - Thursday, August 12, 1999 at 18:15:35 (EDT) from ipb87.baltimore10.md.pub-ip.psi.net
Dear Carolyn, I would like your opinion. I created a JPG that has stirred up a lot of hateful feelings because it contains the swastika. It does not promote Nazism, but is a protest against the IRS' abuses. If you can, could you view the image and let me know if you think it's too controversial, and would you have posted it on your Site? Thank you:)
Saoirse <saoirse@cmpmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 12, 1999 at 16:13:51 (EDT) from s068-cdm55.amar.tcac.net
Oh boy. another "feminist" who treats abortion as THE women's right. Come on, have all the abortion supporters who call themselves "feminist" forgotten about issues like protection against pregnancy discrimination, sexual harassment, equal representation in the courts, proper treatment of rape survivors, inclusion of women in medical research studies, and a host of other *women's issues* which do not carry the controversy abortion does... and more importantly, do not involve the taking of a human life and the discrimination against children?

The feminist foremothers supported taking care of the issues that would help women gain equality, and opposed abortion because it would have been counterproductive to their efforts for a free and fair society. Carolyn is actually more feminist than the modern feminists, if we go by the beliefs of the foremothers. If modern feminism now means that women are supposed to focus on abortion than on the things that would help prevent many abortions, then modern feminism has betrayed women and it's time for a new movement that really does work in the best interests of all women
Sehlat
Nashville, TN USA - Thursday, August 12, 1999 at 13:36:25 (EDT) from libbkr176.library.Vanderbilt.Edu


i'm a university student and am now doing some research on abortion. well, i really like your page for i'm a pro-life too. i think abortion is really a cruel action and i'm 100% against it. a women doesn't have the right to take away the life of the embryo. it's a human and it has the right to live..
li ling <jeanie_wee@yahoo.com>
Malacca, Malaysia - Thursday, August 12, 1999 at 03:24:13 (EDT) from 203.106.59.86
Ick. If you are truly a feminist, you would be of the opinion that a woman's CHOICE matters above men politician's.
Men politicians...such as Bill Clinton, whose prochoice stance, according to the National Organization of Women, NARAL, Planned Parenthood, and, likely, you, is a ticket to treat women like garbage? Yes, I can tell you that Carolyn thinks that a woman's choice to not be sexually harassed by her employer matters more than the male, prochoice president of the United States.
I just don't see where you're coming from.
Well, Carolyn's speaking out against China's actions against the women who live there who are forced to abort all but their first babies...she's speaking out against the men who rape their daughters or their thirteen year old "girlfriends" and then take advantage of their victims' "free choice" to abortions so that they can abuse them further...she's speaking out against the fact that 25% of male fetuses are aborted, compared to 42% of females...she's speaking out against the fact that abortion doctors - 80% of whom are men - enjoy legal immunity in the event that they botch a woman's legal abortion and leave her for dead. Find me a single prochoice organization that addresses a single one of these issues...then we'll talk about what "real" feminism is.

Brenda
Waterloo, Canada - Wednesday, August 11, 1999 at 21:01:08 (EDT) from surfec011.sybase.com
The Book has been called, "Creatively Delightful . . Inventive. . . Resplendent in Truth . . Hilarious" take a sidetrip to www.jerrymander.com to see the website of America's Freshest, Brightest and Most Dynamic new Political and Social Commentator and preview his long awaited new book on the Clinton Impeachment.
Professor Jerry Mander <theprof@jerrymander.com>
Las Vegas, NV USA - Wednesday, August 11, 1999 at 18:49:25 (EDT) from dhcp195.66.lvcm.com
Looks like we are going to break out the super Assimilator to deal with all these Marvin fans! ThE bOrG
ThEBoRg
USA - Wednesday, August 11, 1999 at 17:57:36 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Ick. If you are truly a feminist, you would be of the opinion that a woman's CHOICE matters above men politician's. I just don't see where you're coming from.
Venus <skankin911@hotmail.com>
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Wednesday, August 11, 1999 at 15:20:27 (EDT) from dap-209-114-172-38.pm4-1.smds.cran.pa.stargate.net
I just want to tell you that I have been a Marvin fan for alot of years now, and I have looked at alot of sites with him on it, but I must say this is bby far the best site that I have ever seen for marvin.. I want to think you for the work that you have done on this page and it is good to see that some one took the time to give him the space that he so diserves..............
Willis Bennett <ramman31@bellsouth.net>
Bogalusa, La USA - Wednesday, August 11, 1999 at 13:09:57 (EDT) from host-209-215-10-193.sld.bellsouth.net
OH MY GOSH!!!!!! I am like in love with Marvin, I am so happy that this site is here!!! Great job!!!!!! I love it!!
Heather <Princess_Heather@writeme.com>
Berry Creek, CA USA - Tuesday, August 10, 1999 at 18:49:48 (EDT) from darwin70.dcsi.net
I really like this site!!!Good job,not only is my real name "Marvin" but I am the leader of a classic rock n` roll band named..."Marvin And The Martians" we play classic rock thats out of this world. I have a good size collection of Marvin merchandise and clothing,so this site is a must!!! Thanks
Marvin Perdue a.k.a. "Marvin The Martian" <dreed@uplogon.com>
Kingsford, MI USA - Tuesday, August 10, 1999 at 13:03:21 (EDT) from 206.152.110.184
You site is very enteraining. Graphics are terrific. Thanks for sharing!
speleogem <speleogemclark@netscape.com>
USA - Monday, August 09, 1999 at 21:08:56 (EDT) from 1Cust132.tnt1.kcy2.da.uu.net
Just surfing the Web Ring. I am with the Northside Grand Knight's and Past Grand Knight's Club in Chicago. Visit us at www.chicagotribune.com/link/northsideknights.
Vindent P De Rosa <vderosa@megsinet.net>
Addison, IL USA - Monday, August 09, 1999 at 20:30:05 (EDT) from tester-90.temp.corecomm.net
i like marvin the martian so much and i really like ur homepage and hope you'll update me and nice work! By the way i'm from the Philippines! CK
mina <mina_ken@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, August 09, 1999 at 03:16:20 (EDT) from 202.167.15.17
It's very cool, site, is very creat, I love marvin and persons like you make me love more and more. please read me ok. Hugs and kisses. Andrés pd. excuseme for my english I'm from guatemala city.
Andrés <pablo_alcazar@hotmail.com>
Guatemala, Guatemala - Sunday, August 08, 1999 at 15:44:49 (EDT) from 168.234.158.34
The manure haulers and bigots are still talking it out over at Mike's board. That's why we haven't been here in a while. See you there, Carolyn. ;)
Jeff <vagabond@intac.com>
NJ USA - Saturday, August 07, 1999 at 22:58:28 (EDT) from 98CCB489.ipt.aol.com
Hysterical, I couldn't stop laughing for hours. Thanks for the conservative parody.
Mindy
USA - Saturday, August 07, 1999 at 16:10:57 (EDT) from libpdc.stic.lib.tx.us
Wow. Very nice site. I'm bookmarking so I can use it for design inspiration later. :-) I know you're conservative, but you oughta get a kick out of the link I included, nonetheless. ;-)
Kelly Holmes <kelly.holmes@natinst.com>
Austin, TX USA - Friday, August 06, 1999 at 18:44:04 (EDT) from client-54-252.natinst.com
I love your site it really cool. I love the picture of marvin in front of the computer it is funny. I was marvin for halloween i have a picture if you would like to see? Email me and tell me and i'll mail it to you and it is the whole body of marvin not just the head.
Kathleen Thibeault <kathleen_t_@hotmail.com>
Whiter River Ontario, Canada - Friday, August 06, 1999 at 10:39:11 (EDT) from ext1-dhcp82.lakeheadu.ca
WOW!I never knew people liked this "MARVIN THE MARSHIN"! Anyhow nice site ~I'll tell my friends.
jane <Jane1001@hotmail.com>
Regina, saskatchewan canada - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 22:41:57 (EDT) from 24.64.92.202.ab.wave.home.com
I would just like to say that I love Marvin the Martian soooo very much!! I really like the fact that everyone has these great web pages of the best cartoon character. If anyone has any other great pictures of Marvin please feel free to E-mail me. A BIG fan.
arely villalobos <arely22@yahoo.com>
tucson, az USA - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 22:23:25 (EDT) from 12.73.0.74
I READ THE COMMENTS SOME GOOD SOME BAD AND SOME THAT JUST DO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB ON THE MARVIN THE MARTIN WEB SITE. ME PERSONALLY I LOVE WARNER BROTHERS PINKY AND THE BRAIN (NOT) BUT MARVIN IS STILL A VERY MUCH LOVED CARTOON CHARACTER AS WELL.
COOKIE "E" <STENNIS.MIL.COM>
SAN DIEGO , CA USA - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 21:27:39 (EDT) from pacfa.fleet.navy.mil
Heya! Cool page you have here! Drop by my Web Jukebox if ya like at http://stumaniac.music.webjump.com and sign my g'book! See ya! :-)
Stuart the Maniac <maniac@io.com>
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 17:19:21 (EDT) from 204.64.245.136
your web site is fantastic that's why i become marvin the martian fanatics.
Jega <jegs@hotmail.com>
new jersey, USA - Tuesday, August 03, 1999 at 19:20:05 (EDT) from PROXY.UNITEDNETWORK.NET
In this little country on the other side of the world Princess Diana had a huge impact on us. It was a sad and tragic event.
Tracey walters <www.eit.com>
Napier, NZ - Tuesday, August 03, 1999 at 05:08:57 (EDT) from mail.eit.ac.nz
Greetings Marvin, We have teamed with Pinky,Brain and Taz Resistance is futile you will be assimilated! P.S Sorry Carolyn I couldnt stop myself check the I.P heheheheh
The Borg <we.are.the.borg@borg.all>
universal - Sunday, August 01, 1999 at 20:54:03 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Greetings Earthings!(to all of the Marvin lovers.) I love this page. I think it was just fantasic. I hope you keep updating it. I am absolutely in love with Marvin. I would like to see more pictures to download though if you could do that for me. See ya later. Bye earthings!
Jennifer <jensviper@hotmail.com>
Salina, ks USA - Sunday, August 01, 1999 at 17:24:13 (EDT) from ras83.informatics.net
Great page! Mine is small on Marvin the Martian but it's be cool if you stopped by and dropped me a line!!!!
JoKeR <crzy_joker@hotmail.com>
Springfield, MA USA - Sunday, August 01, 1999 at 17:13:00 (EDT) from PPPa13-ResaleSpringfldMa1-5R1058.saturn.bbn.com
Interesting page! I once put an ad in a pen pal magazine in which I requested to hear about pet peeves, so I was delighted to stumble on your site while searching for "belly shirts" this early morning. I'm going to bed now, but I'll drop by tomorrow.
Bob Sternvogel <tarp@altavista.net>
North Olmsted, OH USA - Friday, July 30, 1999 at 02:29:10 (EDT) from dyn1-tnt1-213.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net
MARVIN THE MARTIAN IS THE BEST CARTOON CHARACTER THAT EVER LIVED IN CARTOON HISTORY. HE IS WAY BETTER THAN TAZ ESPECIALLY.
MANUEL BALLES
EL MONTE, CA USA - Thursday, July 29, 1999 at 19:12:03 (EDT) from 192.216.9.9
What in the world is a Gen-X? You must pardon me for not knowing that. As an Amercian Indian you seem to be far from mother earth. As a southerner I know something of being close to the earth. I know a little of the New York and New Jersy areas. You just need to move south where life is a little slower. Good site for me other wise. Just remember all you do will not save the world. It will always be there. Man will be man and GOD will do his work. B.J.
B.J. of Alabama?Mississippi <bjbike65@hotmail.com>
Columbus, Ms. USA - Thursday, July 29, 1999 at 15:52:09 (EDT) from pm3-47.tilc.com
Hey Great Site....Love Marvin and K-9 Peace
LaVon Roberts ((there is a new one on it's way tho) <looney_lavon@yahoo.com>
Marysville , california USA - Thursday, July 29, 1999 at 15:23:24 (EDT) from 207.159.59.50
great page love it have o come back again soon
Angela <tenderone@home.com>
Victoria BC Canada, BC canada - Wednesday, July 28, 1999 at 17:20:34 (EDT) from proxy2.gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com
Re Gen-X Non-Voters: I just heard Rush on his radio show, criticizing so-called Generation X'ers for not voting. This is a serious problem, BUT I would like to hear Rush admit that HE HIMSELF DID NOT BOTHER TO VOTE when in the age group these youths are in now. We can at least hope that these young people will do as much as Rush has by WISING UP LATER IN LIFE and joining us in electing responsible representatives. -- Ken in Alabama
Ken <goodman218@juno.com>
Opelika, AL USA - Wednesday, July 28, 1999 at 16:18:30 (EDT) from 209.192.26.56
i thought your homepage was really cool. you are a live example that chicks can do anything they want in their lives and still be sucessful at it. i wish you the best and keep up the good work. by the way, good luck with your b/f joe, i hope you stay together for a long time. sincerely, isadora :)
isadora velazquez <isadorathebest@hotmail.com>
caracas, miranda Venezuela - Wednesday, July 28, 1999 at 14:44:05 (EDT) from nas-006.ras.miq.cantv.net
Have you read your Washington Times today?????
Shameless promotion of favorite cause, HP
USA - Wednesday, July 28, 1999 at 03:32:42 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
keep up the good work,I had an abortion 24yrs. ago,will never get past the memories from it&I am 51 now.please make the public aware,their are other chioces.thank you, Linda Hinton
linda hinton <HINLC48@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, July 27, 1999 at 23:00:30 (EDT) from spider-ti064.proxy.aol.com
Good site. Refreshing to see another gen-x'er who has failed to swallow the shallow culture of today's America, AND also failed to simply wax nihilistic about it. 'Takes courage, as the the aforementioned is much more 'convenient.'
Jeff <rankangeles@yahoo.com>
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 1999 at 16:11:11 (EDT) from pool005-cvx.ds60-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net
I was delghted to find this tender site in the memory of Lady Di. I've looked for the story of her death though as I'm writing an article on this topic. If You could give me a hint where to search for the story of Di's death, I would appriciate that very much. Thank You. Oli.
Oli Semenova-Tyan-Shanskaya <olists@yahoo.com>
St.Petersburg, Russia - Tuesday, July 27, 1999 at 05:17:12 (EDT) from 194.67.49.65
greetings. i am a doctoral student at iowa state university in the marriage and family therapy program, and a former marine. for my dissertation i would like to conduct telephone interviews with gulf war vets who have been through the national gulf war screening health registry and have a diagnosis of "gulf war syndrome" or "undiagnosed illness" and any family members. my goal is to understand how ill gulf war vets are doing since wars end. if you are interested please email me at "gulfwarresearch@excite.com", i'll be happy to answer any questions you have. if you know of any ill gulf war vets who have been through the screening, please pass my email address on to them. thanks and semper fi! mm
mike mcclain <gulfwarresearch@excite.com>
ames, ia USA - Monday, July 26, 1999 at 21:38:29 (EDT) from spider-wi062.proxy.aol.com
I F**K YOUR PAGE, CONSERVATIVE SH**S!!! YOU ARE JUST A BUNCH OF DIRTY BASTARDS, SOCIALISM RULES, HEHE! F**K USA, AMERICANS ARE MURDERS. I LOVE COMMUNISM... soke:-D
Slobodan Miloshewic <soke43@hotmail.com>
Belgrade, Jugoslavia - Monday, July 26, 1999 at 15:02:57 (EDT) from dialin2006.kios.sk
I REALLY REALLY enjoyed your page.. its good to see people fighting for unborn children.. I read an article on your page about the Lilith fair and i may not have read all of it but did you know that the Lilith Fair is donating some of its money to Planned Parenthood, which is the lead provider of birthcontrol and abortion counseling.. I thought you might want to add that to your reasons that Lilith Fair is kinda sketchy. Well. ive taken up enough room so im gona go now. bye your sister in Christ, niki
niki <anarkychld@aol.com>
dayton, oh USA - Sunday, July 25, 1999 at 06:33:45 (EDT) from spider-wd042.proxy.aol.com
Cool site. Marvin the martian is da bomb da best character done by Warner Bros.
Jarvis Bateman <nascar24@racingmail.com>
MN USA - Sunday, July 25, 1999 at 02:21:40 (EDT) from proxy-537.public.rwc.webtv.net
There is nothing wrong with being forty one problem though Carolyn IS NOT forty and IMHO she looks more like 18 :) Carolyn I bet you still get carded when you go out ?? ¦-]
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Saturday, July 24, 1999 at 13:18:51 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Just surfed on in. It's nice to see there is another person who is conservative and listens to metal =)
Greg A. Bur <gbur@triton.net>
Cheboygan, MI USA - Saturday, July 24, 1999 at 02:27:06 (EDT) from dtw1-wc2.atlas.digex.net
You have some really cool pages. I love this stuff. Marvin is the best cartoon ever!! Come and see my page and sign my guestbook!!
Dan Rittner <drittner13@yahoo.com>
Swanton, Oh USA - Friday, July 23, 1999 at 15:33:58 (EDT) from modem-c-57.dialins.utoledo.edu
Hey, what's wrong with being forty??
Melissa
Philly, USA - Thursday, July 22, 1999 at 10:32:49 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
Carolyn, you look neither 40 nor socially inhibited, at least not in the pictures you have up. Actually you look like a pretty fun person.
Tracey Minter <avalon7775@aol.com>
Atlanta, GA USA - Wednesday, July 21, 1999 at 16:31:18 (EDT) from 130.218.217.74
I love Marvin the Martian!!!! This site is really COOL!!! PERFECT!!!
JiLL <cjsandiego@yahoo.com>
Manila, Philippines - Wednesday, July 21, 1999 at 06:16:21 (EDT) from 208.142.144.218
Just dropped in to say Hi! Been outside a lot this summer, "howing" my vegetables. ;-) Tip my ol' straw hat to Mr. Bookman. Anyone need any 'maters & zucchini???
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, July 21, 1999 at 01:16:56 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
I love Marvin. I have him tatooed on my left upper arm. I am trying to find out how I can get cards with him on them for my personal use. Can you help? Go Mark McGwire!
Mark <scheetzm@slu.edu>
St. Louis, Mo USA - Tuesday, July 20, 1999 at 22:14:19 (EDT) from pppcisco1_134.slu.edu
I for one am totally dismayed over the way the republican party has sold us true conservatives out.

What is a "true conservative?" Is that anything like a True Christian? On the whole, putting "true" together with an ideology generally tells me that the person using the phrase has nothing more to reccomend his view than to claim faithfulness to some illusory pure form of said ideology.

jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, July 20, 1999 at 21:20:39 (EDT) from 253.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net


Dear Carolyn, You've got a bunch of grammatical errors on your page: -"A zebra does not change IT's spots." "It's" mean "it is." You mean to say "its" (which is the possessive form). -you refer to the book by Ross and Kathyrn Petras as the "700" stupidest things ever said. It's 776. -"howed" is spelled "howed," not "hoed" (tobacco quote). -commas go INSIDE quotation marks in citations, not outside ("Help," not "Help",). Constructively yours, John Bookman
John Bookman
USA - Tuesday, July 20, 1999 at 19:15:29 (EDT) from dhcp51.luthersem.edu
That's what I get for not proofing the quotes I copy and paste on my Al Gore page, which was the cause of the "its" and comma error. In any case, a mistake in a book title is not a "grammatical" error, and the spelling of "hoed" IS correct ("howed" is NOT correct - check your spelling, John). Actually, none of these "errors" are grammatical, though I do see some grammatical errors in John's message.
My my, Dirk what a potty mouth! Are you the same Dirk that posts at The Stadium Wall??
Roller Girl
Philly, PA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 1999 at 11:59:29 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
f**k all of yall repbulicans bastards, when al gore becomes president i don't want yall 2 start making excusses, bye bye GORE 2000, vote DEMOCRAT
Dirk Diggler <vb69499@aol.com>
dallas, tx USA - Tuesday, July 20, 1999 at 04:29:47 (EDT) from spider-tp022.proxy.aol.com
Marvin the Martian rules!!! I love him soooooo much!!! He is the koolest character there is anywhere! Whenever i go to a store and i see an item with Marvin on it, i beg my mom to get it for me. Oh, I, also, don't like humans... that's why everyone I know is an alien(martian)!!! Also, if you wanna talk to me... e-mail me. I'm 5'10, blondish brownish hair, blue eyes, 160lbs, 15 yrs. old, very athletic, and love Marvin the Martian!!!
Mari <Panchita09@aol.com>
Inglewood, CA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 1999 at 00:44:52 (EDT) from spider-wb052.proxy.aol.com
Hi again, Carolyn! Your site's informative as always! I read those remarks about abortion stats and polls and agree that there is very little value to public opinion polls in general. Still, they are used to justify legislative and political decisions. And, as I pointed out earlier, stats that show a downturn in support for abortion don't get much print or air time, do they? P.S. My daughter loves pictures of Marvin the Martian -- she says "Looney Tunes" when she sees him.
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Monday, July 19, 1999 at 23:40:45 (EDT) from 206.101.173.30
Awesome site!!!!!! love the poem!!!!
Spacechic <spacechic@tomgreenshow.zzn.com >
Mi USA - Monday, July 19, 1999 at 22:56:07 (EDT) from pool-209-138-10-105.ipls.grid.net
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH MARVIN STUFF AROUND. I HAVE A LOT OF KEY CHAINS AND T-SHIRTS AND A REALLY COOL HAT KEEP IT UP AND I WILL BE A LOYAL FOLLOWER. I'M 37 AND I SAY MARVIN RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME ANY TIME.littlebutch69@hotmail.com
CAROL CADD <LITTLEBUTCH69@HOTMAIL.COM>
SALEM, VA USA - Monday, July 19, 1999 at 20:12:43 (EDT) from 164.106.231.66
I enjoyed your site very much, lots of informative information in here. As to the Al Gore fan who wrote earlier, Al appears to be a puppet, the same as Bill is....Bill is the puppet for China, they pull the string, he dances to their tune instead listening to the American People and Al is just a puppet figurehead of a Vice President and also a puppet for extreme environmentalist groups.
Katherine
Tx USA - Monday, July 19, 1999 at 15:47:18 (EDT) from dialup591-od.nwol.net
Nattering nabobs *and* nabobesses, thank you very much. We're equal opportunity around here ;-)
Heather
CA USA - Sunday, July 18, 1999 at 15:54:18 (EDT) from bad.finger.compuall.net
You're doing just fine! Keep up the good work! Don't pay any attebtion to the nattering Nabobs on EITHER side! I'll be back! benning : )
benning <benning01@hotmail.com>
Largo, FL USA - Sunday, July 18, 1999 at 14:58:16 (EDT) from p40-141.tnt-1.ij.net
This site sucks!!!!!!!!
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?????????, ???? ??? - Saturday, July 17, 1999 at 22:55:49 (EDT) from 24.64.100.34.sk.wave.home.com
it's reassuring to know someone is out there to keep track of the idiots we idiots elect to serve as our legistrators.thank you but there are more morons in government than anywhere else. i'm not to bright but i'm sure smarter than most of those guys. it's a shame that you need so much money to run for politics. hooray fo jesse the brain for pres,
Al Cialella <chikn51@aol.com>
kissimmee, fl USA - Saturday, July 17, 1999 at 10:13:50 (EDT) from proxy-427.public.paix.webtv.net
While I am pro-choice and an atheist, I am glad to see that you are exercising your first admendment rights. I hope that you realize I would never infringe on your constitutional rights and I hope that you would never violently infringe on mine.
Joy <closerr2@hotmail.com>
CA USA - Friday, July 16, 1999 at 22:45:37 (EDT) from 1Cust93.tnt18.lax3.da.uu.net
Hi Carolyn, I've been browsing through your site and it is impressive. I do not at all agree with your views on politics or abortion but isn't freedom of speech a wonderful thing :) I did enjoy the dog information. You've obviously put a lot of work into this. Happy Friday
Starsprite <Starsprite1@hotmail.com>
IL USA - Friday, July 16, 1999 at 11:20:50 (EDT) from chi-209-112-71-209.mc.net
Nice site well i'm devoting my web site to marvin the martian
saint_32 <saint_32@hotmail.com>
pickering, on canada - Friday, July 16, 1999 at 02:02:58 (EDT) from d186-xa104h1-toro-pdi.attcanada.net
Being an anarchist at a conservitive site, I feel like the fat fish at the fry here, but I wanted to say thanks. It was many of your sites that I sat with as I keened over a loss that eventually lead to the Anarchists For Life page. Being non-political I don't care if you are christian, gay, or into beastility, so long as you can respect our inherent right to live you are all right by me. Chris Welsh
Chris Welsh <koat@mindspring.com>
Citizen, Of Earth - Friday, July 16, 1999 at 01:04:36 (EDT) from user-38ldjkv.dialup.mindspring.com
Goog work on the website.
Rhea <lovelylegs16@yahoo.com.au>
Bowem, Qld Australia - Thursday, July 15, 1999 at 20:42:57 (EDT) from prx2.qld.schools.net.au
I for one am totally dismayed over the way the republican party has sold us true conservatives out. The true conservatives in this country had better start making some quick decisions about who they will want as their president, certainly not George W. I am tired of having to vote for the better of two evils. I would like to have the option of voting for someone I truly have faith in-100%. Perhaps Senator Bob Smith or Mr. Alan Keyes. No more left leaning republicans,never/never/never. We need someone who will run on the old republican platform--Pro-life,Pro-gun,Pro-America! If it must be done under a third party, that's fine with me. We conservatives had better wake up!
Bob R <cappy@ulster.net>
Saugerties, N.Y. USA - Thursday, July 15, 1999 at 13:00:19 (EDT) from port183.king.ulster.net
You're site looks great as usual, love your MUSIC page! Hope you're doing well...
Lori
Central, Fl USA - Thursday, July 15, 1999 at 12:04:32 (EDT) from 216.76.215.82
This is an excellent marvin web site and i personally think that even though it is good, it needs more info on marvin! but either than that it is excellent!
ashley <shagwell_12@hotmail.com>
sydney, nsw australia - Wednesday, July 14, 1999 at 23:31:52 (EDT) from netcachesyd3.ozemail.com.au
I found it interesting that the below person said, "Dan Quayle actually said the idiotic things that were attributed to him". As the link I'm leaving explains, at least one quote that is frequently attributed to him originated from a JOKE. Does that make everyone who has passed it along a "lying pawn of the political left"?
Debunking the Latin American quote
USA - Wednesday, July 14, 1999 at 21:22:37 (EDT) from 98CBB1CD.ipt.aol.com
I love your Al Gore quotes -- they're too much!
Sarah Hughes <charleshughes.ij.net>
Tampa, FL USA - Wednesday, July 14, 1999 at 20:28:00 (EDT) from p43-91.tnt-2.ij.net
Great site. I always enjoy your comments. I just read your hate mail. Amazing, I see that NEA has helped the public education system. I see why Commie-Liberals have spell checkers. I don't know about you, but have you been smiling when you read intellegent words from the slime balls and smile and think, "Well I won't see them in Heaven". LOL. The only thing is, their mother is the one that should had the abortion.
Ken <kibro@deja.com>
Louisville, KY USA - Wednesday, July 14, 1999 at 19:45:26 (EDT) from 1Cust214.tnt2.louisville.ky.da.uu.net
Your page lacks credibility because you are so poorly informed. Dan Quayle actually said the idiotic things that were attributed to him--unlike Al Gore, who is clearly very intelligent despite his lack of political savvy. Sorry to break the news to you, but you are merely a pawn of the lying right wing. Just as the Clinton impeachment trial was payback for Nixon, the anti-Gore propaganda is nothing but (undeserved)political retribution for Dan Quayle.
Andy
Abingdon, VA USA - Wednesday, July 14, 1999 at 15:15:51 (EDT) from jc42.sullivan2.preferred.com
Al Gore is a genius! After all, he claimed to have created the Internet
Great page. Lot's of good stuff. Keep up the good work. :o)
David
Dallas, tx USA - Wednesday, July 14, 1999 at 13:50:06 (EDT) from DLL2B107-18.splitrock.net
Okay, Caroline, in case your "hate mail" page needs some spicing up, here's a generic, all-purpose post you can use:
Hello you (bleep). Your ugly stupid and you (bleep) I hate your views, they suck. I hate conservatives, they suck you fascist Nazi (bleep). You prolifers are full of it you only care about babbies after their born and you (bleep). I hate censorship, it sucks, this page should be taken off the net, you (bleep). You can (bleep) my (bleep)!

Melissa
Philly, USA - Wednesday, July 14, 1999 at 11:58:33 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
From the hatemail: I bet you're a clerk at Kmart or a child molesting priest in a fallen congregation.

This is funny. I bet he just read the pro-life and political pages and didn't bother with the bio.

jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, July 13, 1999 at 21:12:54 (EDT) from 18.indianapolis-03-04rs.in.dial-access.att.net


your perversity and narrowminded line of thought is astounding. stuff it with walnuts, ugly.
Yeshua Popegrinder <fallenangel07@mailexcite.com/>
n. st. paul, mn USA - Tuesday, July 13, 1999 at 17:52:43 (EDT) from premiumM15.mpls.uswest.net
Hello, I was just thinking.
Mike <cooties@cgocable.net>
Hamilton, On Canada - Tuesday, July 13, 1999 at 11:16:33 (EDT) from cogeco-24-175.cgocable.net
Cool webpage you have. Lillian Axe is a GREAT band. Keep up the good work, and thanks for the link.
Daniel <danstar@swipnet.se>
Gothenburg, Sweden - Tuesday, July 13, 1999 at 07:38:16 (EDT) from dialup145-2-25.swipnet.se
First of all I would like to say that You have great site. I really don't agree with you on many issues but I do respect you opinion. I am personally pro-life but I belive it's an individual choice. Since I'm not the one who is going to raise or pay for all these unwanted kids I don't belive it is my choice or anybody's elses.
Tara
Newburyport, MA USA - Monday, July 12, 1999 at 17:18:11 (EDT) from port2.greennet.net
thought you might like my page on axe.
Stacey <lilnaxefan@yahoo.com>
ms USA - Sunday, July 11, 1999 at 23:39:23 (EDT) from grtw-22.telapex.com
To JSB I too share the same opinion, when it comes to Public Opinion Polls. 3 or 4 months ago I received a phone call at home asking me if I would participate in a public opinon poll. I was told that there were 10 questions. I must have give the 'wrong answer' on the first question because they hung up on me. This experience has taught me that the people conducting these polls and the results of these polls are extremely biased
Tim <tslck@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, July 11, 1999 at 11:14:46 (EDT) from pm1-27.hcpd.com
...especially those abortion stats! I can see why they haven't been heavily reported in the media, even though they're done by organizations such as CNN.

The problem I have with stats such as those, even if they are true, is that they could be taken as reason to legislate. Needless to say, I'm no fan of the General American Opinion; on the whole, it's usually foolish, bigoted or both.

jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Saturday, July 10, 1999 at 23:23:08 (EDT) from 97.indianapolis-05-10rs.in.dial-access.att.net


This was just so hillarious and wrong that I had to post it. It's from an email Sabone sent me regarding Biblical prophecy and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Enjoy.

If you read the Scriptures about the False Prophet, with discernment you can tell the catholic Church is the False Prophet, and the Pope. I don't believe it is the Pope that is in power now, but perhaps the next one.

The Catholic Church(Vatican)are enemies with the King James Version, because the Latin Version you refer to are corrupted. The Church of Antioch was an underground Church that was persecuted, so they had to hide their Scriptures. They hid them in the caves in the dead Sea, in 1948 they were discovered. The King James was not a English version of the Latin version the Pope used. Because King James would not bow down to the Pope.
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Saturday, July 10, 1999 at 16:26:35 (EDT) from 36.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net


Sanrio stuffs are nice! Ilove it########
Lizxiel <alpa@skyinet.net>
Las Pinas, Philippines - Friday, July 09, 1999 at 23:58:31 (EDT) from NS.SKYINET.NET
Hi again, Carolyn. I've just now finished surfing around the "What's New" page of your prolife website. Interesting stuff, especially those abortion stats! I can see why they haven't been heavily reported in the media, even though they're done by organizations such as CNN. What will those poor Clinic owners do if the number of "procedures" (and public support for them) keeps declining? This reminds me of a hue and cry the Choicers raised a few years ago about the dearth of clinics in such heavily populated, socially liberal states as North Dakota, Wyoming and Utah. Poor dears!
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Friday, July 09, 1999 at 23:30:28 (EDT) from 206.101.173.47
hey Valley16 if you live in in the San fernando valley why are you posting from a Library in Cleveland Ohio?
Hi Ted

RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Friday, July 09, 1999 at 21:42:59 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Olá, conforme solicitado incluí o código em meu Home Page. Este site trata-se de informação sobre jovens delinquentes e prevenção. Agradeço a oportunidade deste contato. Olá, as requested I included the code in my Home Page. This site is information about deliquent youths and prevention. I thank the opportunity of this contact.
Caio Jose Almeida de Sousa <caiojose@sti.com.br>
Sao Paulo, SP Brasil - Friday, July 09, 1999 at 21:09:52 (EDT) from dial-pm1-4.sti.com.br
hello there Carolyn. I'm a 16 year girl who lives in the San fernando valley and i really really admimre your so very muuuchh. I hear you like heavy metal like esepecially the motley crue and tommy lee. Do you know where I can get tape of tooomy and Barbera? I hear you got plenty of copies. Please can you give me one? I know all you hip conservative girls really know how to have fun when you're not talking about the moral failings of others. You go to really wild concerts and get to met the got pagan guys in the bad for some real gooood times. Amd tjen you can go back to talkin bout morality. I wish my parents would let me get away with that. I guess saying you're a conservative chirstian gives you a free pass to get away iwith anything. Neato.
valley girl 16
LA, USA - Friday, July 09, 1999 at 20:50:16 (EDT) from pc30.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
i am writing an article on abortion for school and after reading your stories i fel your regret, sadness and pain. i can't say i agree with ahat you did but it was your decision and i appreciate that. good luck for the future i hope happiness is just around the corner xxxxxxxxxxxxx
kirsty newnum
london, england - Friday, July 09, 1999 at 15:05:44 (EDT) from host5-99-45-194.btinternet.com
Just poking my head in for a second.

I thought the SP movie was hillarious. I think everyone over the age of 10 should see it. It's a great satire of our times, our culture and our media.

jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 22:29:25 (EDT) from 147.226.152.77


Dear Carolyn, I am sorry about rushing judgement. I do remember you had that button for SoutPark by the Salvation button. I just thought that was silly. And SouthPark has been getting a lot publisity, and I remembered you were a fan then, and i could not even let my girls watch that. I wouldn't let myself watch it. Please forgive me, I'm just angry about this movie. Everyone thinks all cartoons are for kids. I wish they would play Loonely Toons if it was up to me. I guess you have changed. And for better I see. Sorry about that. Please send me a link to that commentary you were talking about. Just remember most of the time when someone within conservitive circles try to reprove you, they do it out of concern and love. We have to be careful about what we put in our heads, and our children's. Well Carolyn, have a good evening. Remember we are saved by God's Grace and not by our works. In His Service, Sabone
Sabone <scully22@juno.com>
AR USA - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 21:18:13 (EDT) from 1Cust186.tnt21.dfw5.da.uu.net
Hey, did everyone notice the mention Carolyn's page of abortion regrets received in a recent article on PAS? Excellent site, Carolyn!
Click here to check out the article
USA - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 21:15:43 (EDT) from 98AECF25.ipt.aol.com
Well carolyn, how is that South Park Movie for conservitives? Do you recommend Christians to go watch it?
Sabone` <scully22@juno.com>
AR USA - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 18:39:01 (EDT) from 1Cust65.tnt21.dfw5.da.uu.net
Hello: I'm relatively new to the Internet. Been browsing at different places, and I'm just delighted to find all these sites such as yours which present the conservative point of view. It's like an alcoholic being locked in a liquor store! I can't get enough of it, especially after years of media bias. By the way, speaking of rightgirls(sic?), there is a new columnist listed in the DrudgeReport named Deb Weiss. She just started writing her column in late May. Check her out, for she's really sharp. Well, I'll close. Thanx for reading this. Perhaps I'll drop you an email from time to time, particularly as I get the hang of this Internet thing. Your new acquaintance, Dana
Dana Stahl <dana@danacpa.com>
Port Clinton, OH USA - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 11:09:42 (EDT) from dialup-43.ts-1.omni.tol.glasscity.net
John Wilkie and Jeff Cummings, due to their undying support of my website, and their daily - no, hourly returns to post on my board made me the man I am today.
Okay, let's get something straight here - I lost a bet, and I'm making good on my end of the deal.

Mike <cooties@cgocable.net>
Hamilton, On Canada - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 11:01:53 (EDT) from cogeco-24-175.cgocable.net
I am a very big fan of Marvin's. I have recently had my husband draw a mural of Marvin and his dog on a door in my livingroom. The door also goes into my childrens room. My only problem is that I do not have a color picture of the dog to paint it correctly.
Shari Legate-Bryan <sharib@fgi.net>
Galesburg, IL USA - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 10:29:55 (EDT) from 206.107.248.27
I read your hate mail with some admiration. You seem to take it well.Every time I get on some message board and people get real upset with me, I find it difficult to understand why. I don't bring religion into the issue of Abortion. I remain calm. I tell them to not buy into all the propaganda bull and to think for themselves. I ask them if any of the cute little saying REALLY make sense. I ask if they think the abortion law was passed for women or to allow men to get off scot free. I ask them to think where the black man would be if the north felt they shouldn't impose their beliefs on the south. Funny, but these pro-abortionist get so angry (and claim that I can't control myself), so preachy (and call me a know-it-all-sit-in-judgement idiot), and then they leave and go to some other message board. I feel kind of hurt. And excluded. Also, I emailed you during the fourth of July weekend regarding the Silent Scream and the Planned Parenthood's doctors who said the baby didn't have "grey matter" and without it, the baby couldn't feel anything. Any feed back on that?
Nani Tavares <tavaresd001@hawaii.rr.com>
Waianae, HI USA - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 03:02:37 (EDT) from a24b31n77client140.hawaii.rr.com
Dear Diana: You are the light from the flame of the candle of the world. You illuminated the hearts of millions around the world with your genuine contributions, that you so selflessly gave to everyone you met. Your heart melted anger and your touch was like the soft petals of the Rose of England that you were. I am proud to bear your name and to share your wedding day. Even my husband shares the name of your husband, Charles. Time will ease the pain that the world shares, but time will never erase from our memory your face, your smile or your laughter. Rest in peace Diana, and rest assured that your legacy will live on, in the morals and ethics, that you instilled in Harry and William. So long England's Rose, which belongs to everyone because to say good-bye would be too final, for someone we will never forget. Diana E. LeBlanc (Lady Diana) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Diana E. LeBlanc <faceless@sprint.ca>
College Bridge, NB Canada Canada - Wednesday, July 07, 1999 at 19:53:24 (EDT) from spc-isp-mtl-58-1-381.sprint.ca
hi
Ron <thewayIseeit@excite.com>
House Springs, MO U. S. of A. - Wednesday, July 07, 1999 at 18:49:53 (EDT) from 199.181.178.81
Hi Carolyn :)
Joe Procopio <procopio@interstat.net>
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 1999 at 17:08:15 (EDT) from geordie.interstat.net
No burke, you just fail to see the fathers claim on it is SEPARATE and EQUAL, and accept unproven choicer platitudes WRT conferring fetal personhood when the WOMAN is making the claim, but reject 50% of the fetus, and the population, completely violat ing mens rights, even though you are a man, and seeing NO CONDRIDICTIONS, and then give false analysis to show how the fetus, by din of TEMPROARY residence is somehow, during such time as gestation is MORE the mothers when her relationship is fact, identical to the fathers. Except for Mitochondrial non-nucleated DNA, the relationship is genetic for *both*. The woman's carrying of the fetus attached to her uterine wall isnt "more related" to the baby than its father. The relationship is 50-50 in obligate maternal and paternal DNA patterns. A woman can give birth to a child that isnt even her own. Gestational surrogates, and she is a total stranger to it biologically, with a different blood type possibly, and race. You confuse being inside of her with being a PART of her. Dependency on the mothers superficial bio resources has NOTHING to do with her claim on it being greater tha the fathers in parental rights, opinion about personhood, which is just as valid as her is at any time post conception. The issue of fetal personhood doesnt have to be proven to prove my claim of the father being owed equal legal rights of retainment. You will never prove personhood to ANYBODYS satisfaction anyway, several folks say parents should able to kill it even as a post vaginal newborn. By framing the argument this way, you sidestep the crucial issue of the fathers rights, feelings and wants, and accept unproven allegations ALL women who decide to take an action which IYOW COULD be murder, and then proceed to take less stock in the claim of the other, equal parent who says it IS human. Why is there a reason to side with HER if the evidence is inconclusive? If you say, "its in her body" you are proving you dont understand much of anything but mouthpiecing Prochoice propaganda fantasies. According to such "logic", prochoice is the "default" course to take and NATURE proves that is false, as higher powers in all species doesnt give females OR MALES post conception choices consciously. Neither has more proof to you, but EVID ENCE of biological fact of 46 chromosomes fusing indicates the MAN's case, and yet you would support the woman in her claim but not HIM, all on the basis of whose body its in temporarily, a freak of nature that has NOTHING to do with the sitatuation as you would like it to be. Its a circular argument logical fallacy of assuming the answer in your premise, question begging, and shows lack of critical thinking skills, or in your case, using your own words, deliberate SOPHISTRY. And its amazing how you call my position that, when you blindly accept much worse sophistry from the PC side by taking your stance on this issue of womans claim vs mans on the fetus, by overblowing the gestational component and assigning meanings to it that dont even exist...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, June 25, 1999 at 11:59:17 (EDT) from ip226.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Susan: From where did you get the notion that I don't consider fetuses to be human? jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Friday, June 25, 1999 at 04:20:40 (EDT) from LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
J. Burke: Sorry if I misinterpreted your view of preborn children, but I inferred that you do not consider them human.
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Friday, June 25, 1999 at 02:31:44 (EDT) from 206.101.173.27
or in jburke's lingo, terminating defective fetuses

You're welcome to your own terminology; but please don't attribute it to me. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 23:59:00 (EDT) from 147.226.152.69


Voice of Humanity--??????Your spaceship is waiting. . .on the other side of the comet. So it is only Fascists that demonize minority groups?? The last Stalinist in Europe, Albanian-killing Slobodan Miloscevic, would be amused at that! The State, seeking conformance, demonizes minorities. The left is nothing but a bunch of racist socialists--Mao, Pol Pot, Miloscevic, Stalin--while the so-called right--Hitler, Mussolini, Peron were also socialists--just out of favor with the self anointing left. The real left has created the term "right-wingers" to mean anyone they disagree with. It is folly to be a left winger and accuse "right wingers" of racism--they are all socialists seeking to subvert individuals or groups of individuals to the State. But, in the current context, our founding fathers and their latter day adherents who advanced the notions of "pursuit of happiness" "free from government constraints" are being called right wingers. A badge to be worn proudly, only if it connotes being out of favor with at least some of the "left." "Voice of Humanity" is a statist pawn, speaking with compassion not heard since Hitler's annexation of Poland speech or Mao's speech of liberation for Tibet. The state is racist.
Mike <ducks@inetworld.net>
Oceanside, CA USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 23:26:07 (EDT) from p4n207167114200.inetworld.net
Hey, Carolyn, maybe I shouldn't encourage Ted, but---if we conservatives are the Nazis, why are the lefties so keen on euthanizing the disabled and aborting imperfect children (or in jburke's lingo, terminating defective fetuses) Records show that Margaret Sanger, not Mother Theresa, was fond of eugenics.
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, Ca USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 23:11:13 (EDT) from 206.101.173.7
It baffles me that a man (Ted) who prides himself on such intellectual prowess would give into his emotion in such an obvious fashion. Ted, my advice to you would be to end this now and evacuate the situation with whatever dignity you might have left to muster. All that you are accomplishing is that of the role of court jester.
Heather
CA USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 23:09:16 (EDT) from baby.driver.compuall.net
BTW, Carolyn, I really enjoy Marvin, but I have to admit that I like Yosemite Sam better!!!
Jeff Cummings <vagabond@intac.com>
NJ USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 21:45:37 (EDT) from parsip-usr-86.intac.com
Gee, if I remember right, the economics debate was mostly about how Ted would replace the entire human workforce with robots. My arguement was purely technological when Ted again resorted to personal attacks and ignored any assertions that might break his ivory tower. You also attacked me as mentally unstable when I noticed that you had posted the wrong name - Mike mixed up Aristotle and Socrates, how the heck did you mess up who you are?
Jeff Cummings <vagabond@intac.com>
NJ USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 21:43:23 (EDT) from parsip-usr-86.intac.com
Mike: My attacks on you personally have come AFTER you censored me. And you censored 600 posts. Did all of them contain personal attacks? You invited Brian Carnell onto your site with the express purpose of attacking me. You are nothing but a little sleazy lying hypocrite. And you didn't know it was Socrates and not Aristotle that drank the hemlock! You call this a mere mistake!!! That's like saying Churchill started WW II. This is no mere "mistake", this is stupidity and ignorance of monumental proportion. But what should I expect. People like Jeff Cummings and the little manure hauler John Wilkie attempt to debate issues like unemployment without knowing anything about macro-economics. Your whole site, with the exception of J.S. Burke, is populated with morons. Almost every conservative I've met is as ignorant as you and your band of merry fools. They know nothing about history, art, literature, philosophy or economics. They mere spout slogans and catchphrases. And when this is pointed out, they want to censor you. Pathetic. I'll bet you're drinking more than a glass or two of wine everyday. I bet you're hitting the booze big time. You're recent erratic behavior--erasing your entire board--shows that your psychological problems have returned. Of course, the death of the right-wing fascist movement has also placed some additional pressure on you as well as Carolyn and the others. A siege mentality has set in, and you folks are now circling the wagons. Your precious movement is now about to be deposited upon the ash heap of history where it so richly belongs. You people are just a bunch of sick thugs who masquerade as moralists. And everyone now realizes this. You've done yourselves in. Do you think that censoring me will make this all go away. Do you really think that retreating back into the bottle and your "domain", as you described your site to me in a private communication will do you any good? Mike, in all honesty, you are so pathetic and repulsive that it boggles the mind. '
TRUTH
USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 20:25:39 (EDT) from pc60.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
Ted, that you are even aware of my drinking is indicative of how little it bothers me to discuss it. I'm neither embarrassed by it or ashamed of it. I never attended AA, choosing to quit the same way with which I quit smoking 2 packs a day: cold turkey. I was a drunk, Ted, not an alcoholic. My errors were in allowing the drinking to take presidence over my family, and not in a physical need for booze. I also want to point out that I am not on the wagon anymore. In fact, right after my 10th anniversary without a drop, I elected to start fresh, with a more mature mind and more personal strength; I now collect wine, and enjoy a glass every other day.
You claim to dislike Carolyn and I so much, and yet you return to this guestbook again and again. And that you have tried everything from alternate accounts, to DejaNews searches, to AltaVista to enter my site shows more than a little obsession.
I concede my mistake in refering to Aristotle and not Socrates. That I erred is indicative of only one thing - that I make mistakes. As for your wild claims of "censorship", you have excluded to points: first, my website says "barring a passion for personal attacks, you will not be censored...". Three days of posts here is more than a little evidence of your "passion". Second, I purged my entire board of messages, all 600 of them. Since that would include every post I made, as well as everyone with whom I might share an ideology, I fail to see how \b{you've} been censored, anymore than the rest of us.

Mike
Canada - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 18:07:11 (EDT) from cogeco-24-175.cgocable.net
He doesn't know what a tawdry tart is, or else he would not apply the terms to Carolyn. Or bubble head either. Hmmmm. He kinda sounds like a cross between Ted Turner and James Carville. Wow! He could be famous!
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 17:54:14 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
Well, the voice of the thundering ig- norant right souns its tired refrain again. First, I find it interesting that Mike does not try to dispute my point about his ignorance of ancient Greek history or his incredible hyp- ocrisy in censoring me from his site despite the clear statement on his website that "you will not be censored in any way". In fact, he HAS blocked my access to his site. He HAS censored me. He is simply a liar. Like most alcoholcs who've stopped drinking, his underlying psychological problems have remained. He's a very, very sick man. Of course, he probably goes to AA meetings and talks about what "step" he's having a problem with. He then leaves and viciously and brutally engages in acts of neo-nazi censorship. He's a real piece of work all right. And Carolyn Gargaro!!! I've been examining some of her websites. Righgirrls? How juvenile. She's a bouncy, bubble headed little tart. Trashy and tawdry to the core. Totally unsophisticated. She'd be laughed out of any serious public policy discussion with people who really know what they're talking about. Its not surprising that she's associated with a slimey little hypocritical piece of human filth like Mike Brown. As for Nazism, there is more to it than simply ecomomics. There is a political strategy behind fascism which seeks to demonize minority groups as a means of seeking power. For Hitler, it was the Jews. For the modern right, it's homosexuals. A weak enemy is good for neo-nazis. Being cowards, the right finds it easy to beat up on them.
voice of humanity
USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 14:26:53 (EDT) from pc11.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
5 words: Ted, get a life! Please!
Steve Hinckley
Rancho Cucamonga, CA USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 13:48:06 (EDT) from spider-tm023.proxy.aol.com
Great site Carolyn. Though I dont agree with everything posted here (especially from Ted) The discussion is good. Makes you stop and examine yourself.
Tim <tslck@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 10:41:30 (EDT) from pm1-01.hcpd.com
Ted Just what evidence do you have that Mother Teresa washed syringes in cold water??
Tim <tslck@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, June 24, 1999 at 10:39:08 (EDT) from pm1-01.hcpd.com
Ok--I've seen this Ted guy creeping around the stacks--if only he'd open one of those books, he'd find that the free-market, libertarian, right-wingers that he calls "Nazi's," do not at all resemble or harbor the views of History's most infamous "Nazi," Adoph Hitler, who proclaimed that he was the Socialist Left's legitimate heir, and not Stalin. Calling "right wingers" Nazis (shortened National Socialist Party), is an exercise demonstrating a lack of attendance in History class, or, mere name calling. Maybe he'd stumble into one of Mises' books and be startled to concede that perverted "liberalism, socialism, and communism are all fruit off the same tree, with some a little more rotten than the other." . . . and, with a clearer mind, he might revisit the topic of children/abortion and address it on its merits, rather than to proceed on a philosophical exegesis that concludes with the pursuit of happiness embracing pedophilia. Quite a reach--even for the internet.
Mike <ducks@inetworld.net>
Oceanside, CA USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 21:47:53 (EDT) from p6n207167115152.inetworld.net
Hello, Ted. I'm flattered that you take such an interest in my site that you'd try to get to it everytime your butt hits a chair. I'd also like to thank you for being so keen to chat with us all, despite your exceptionally low opinion of us (especially Carolyn and me). Your efforts are appreciated, and I'm glad - as Carolyn no doubt is - that we are such an important part of your life. Take care, Ted, and thank you for making Jeff, John, Carolyn and I feel so needed.
Mike
- Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 17:02:36 (EDT) from cogeco-24-175.cgocable.net
I am pointing OUT that GIVEN aboritons legality the only consistent thing to do is address the impact on men and their rights of fetal retainment.

Again, where does such a right come from? Also, that the law must be completely consistent is an assumption that not everyone shares. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 16:23:37 (EDT) from 245.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net


In this case, with the venom and disdain for others so apparent in your posts, I fully support the decision to block you and your senseless, unfounded personal attacks. That is not censoring, this is enforcing the rules. If Mike was to censor anyone for their viewpoints, it would be me.
Jeff Cummings <vagabond@intac.com>
NJ USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 16:20:04 (EDT) from inky.fw-bc.sony.com
PLM:

I never said abortion is "nobody's right." In fact, I have no definitive view of it.

You ramble about rights, yet I see nothing to indicate that you've done any thinking on the origin, scope and meaning of them; you postulate them in a vacuum, arbitrarily. On top of that, a father's subjective feelings have no weight in the central moral argument. To debate this further, come to Mike's board. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 16:07:30 (EDT) from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


I don't want to debate you Ted, because you aren't interested in debate - you're interested in whatever obsession is driving you to spend your entire day in my guestbook. It would be a waste of my time. And your moving around hasn't frustrated me at all.
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 16:07:28 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
Jeff: What about censoring someone from you're site? I suppose you think this isn't rude, you lousy little anti- gay bigot. You're as rude and idiotic as can be. Do you realize how stupid you are? You don't know anything about econommics but presume to speak on the subject. Pathetic! I'm sorry that moving from terminal to terminal has frustrated Carolyn's and Mike's efforts to block me. Did you know that they're actually blocking access from public terminals all over my city!!!! That's how desperate they've become to censor me. They are out and out fasicsts. Of that, there can be NO doubt now. And Carolyn says she doesn't want to debate me about the indisputable fact that Mike Brown's a liar, hypocrite and ignoramous. But she does respond. How odd. She responds, but doesn't debate. You know efforts to block me from these sites is hilarious. Do you people think the stakes here are all that great? You people are the pathetic remains of a once powerful conservative movement that now lies in tatters, a victim of the kind of brutal excesses that we've seen on this site and others in recent days. Nobody takes you folks seriously anymore You're just reduced to talking to one another. Efforts to block me and others who dare to challenge your anti-intellectual nonsense are what you are now reduced to. This is just such chickenshit. But then, so are all of you.
The griffin
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 16:05:13 (EDT) from pc14.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
" But I don't assume the same for women; arguing abortion from a woman's "right to choose" overlooks the critical ethical question: the moral status of the fetus." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amazing how you overlook another crucial ethical question, the mans right to keep and raise something already HIS. Or to not watch it be put to death when HE feels its human and wants to protect it. TWO of em. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " In this way, you're as guilty of sophistry as are the pro-choice people who use the woman's rights argument. jsb" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

NOPE. Not even the same kind of rights. I am pointing OUT that GIVEN aboritons legality the only consistent thing to do is address the impact on men and their rights of fetal retainment. I myself agree the issue IS answerable, not to a current legal standard due to Roe and Doe v Bolton, but thats not my point.

As for your other post. Again, women have this right. I would argue NEITHER does, and the ISSUE IS its humanity or NOT, but you fail to see by doing so we can never address the fathers claim or its weight...

My claims are based on a society that HAS legal abortion on some level even THAT is NOT what I desire, I can see the sense in incrementally attacking the issue of abortion in and of itself. We must assert the fetuses importance to the father and not disregard his feelings, but adopting this approach of pure fetalcentricism, lifers, even, prevent any meaningful changes in abortion law to pave the way for a full ban. Its nuts to call abortion a two ways issue, as that leaves out the interests of the father, and we dont know yet how he feels, which is why, ASSUMING abortion IS legal, it shouldnt be in the least, UNILATERAL to ensure equal protection and due process for men, whom NOBODY can deny are fully human on any side, WRT their OWN FETUS. Women arready have these rights. So men should if abortion is legal. Obviously abortion shouldnt even be legal or usable by EITHER SEX, but we arent going to gwt THAT overnight, we can get THIS and use it to show exactly as what you hinted at-that abortion is NOBODYS right.

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 15:51:54 (EDT) from ip1.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


I always thought calling someone alcoholic white trash was rather rude, Ted. By the way, what last name are you using today?
Jeff "the bigot" Cummings <vagabond@intac.com>
NJ USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 14:46:02 (EDT) from uni.fw-bc.sony.com
(so much for me not posting in my guestbook ;-) )

The revolutionaries in France met on a tennis court for debate; surely we in the Web Age can do the same in a guestbook. :) jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 14:43:21 (EDT) from 235.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net


By doing so, you overlook fathers having any say to determine themselves WHEN fetal personhood begins.

I didn't realize that personhood was a matter of mere opinion. Why, how silly of me. Your arguments make perfect sense now. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 14:35:20 (EDT) from 235.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net


But my fathers rights arguments DONT depend on proving fetal personhood. They stand on their own as valid if we assume the same for women. But I don't assume the same for women; arguing abortion from a woman's "right to choose" overlooks the critical ethical question: the moral status of the fetus. In this way, you're as guilty of sophistry as are the pro-choice people who use the woman's rights argument. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 14:31:11 (EDT) from 235.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net
Ted, is this YOUR LIFE? Is this what you do all day, move from computer to computer to post? My debating skills in this guestbook DO leave much to be desired because, as I stated before I am not going to debate you in this guestbook. GOODBYE TED.
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 14:01:50 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
So John Wilkie, the little manure hauler from rual B.C., would kill a person who had voluntary sex with his sister? Why? Because that person just happend to be considerably older! I can un- derstand his feelings about this matter if his sister was forcibly raped. But if the act was voluntary? This guy is just sick and mentally disturbed.
Ted
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:59:59 (EDT) from lit35532.LIT.CWRU.Edu
Carolyn: That Mike Brown did not know that it was Socrates and not Aristotle who drank the hemlock, I'd say that's clear evidence of his ignorance. And second, that he would censor his board, which he now admits he did, goes against his stated policy of "you will not be censored in any way". This makes him, logically and objectively, a hypocrite. Simply asserting that he is not in light of this clear and undeniable evidence is absurd and ridiculous. Where did you learn to debate??? You're pathetic and laughable.
Ted
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:55:46 (EDT) from lit35532.LIT.CWRU.Edu
Who wants to go to Mike's Board and continue the discussion? The setup of hs board is similar to this guestbook, except that it's much cooler!
(so much for me not posting in my guestbook ;-) )

Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:52:48 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net

Framing the abortion debate as anything other than the moral status of the fetus is sophistry; that question is central, and the answer to it will let us know whether or not abortion per se is wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ABSOULTELY FALSE!!!! By doing so, you overlook fathers having any say to determine themselves WHEN fetal personhood begins. He beleives it IS HUMAN AND ITS HIS. No sophistry is required. I dont have to prove anything else except I got her pregnant. I dont have to porve viability or personhood to you or anyone else, I should have right to choose. Women cant have their rights at MY expense as a father to reproduce when I already have by removing what belongs to me causing its termination, and my right to parent something already mine since she is already PREGNANT BY ME. By destroying the fetus and not connecting it to fathers, you eliminate keenly the NEED FOR CONSENT from him by simply arguing its not anything except the mothers body parts. What did HE contribute then???? Prove to me a fathers DNA (or a mothers) changes from fertiliztion to birth, when sigs ARE NEEDED for adoption? If your claim is true, then abortion should be equally "forcible" on women, as if its not human, the mother isnt a mother to practice her own beliefs about her OWN fetus! FETICIDE laws saying OTHERS cant KILL a womans child should be abolished. Should THAT happen, and the womans right to decide be rescinded in favor of compusorary abortion laws to curb population controls? After all, didnt Roe and Doe determine its not human for months after conception? If so, then killing the womans child WITHOUT HER PERMISSON SHOULD BE ESSENTIALY MORALLY EQUIVALENT TO KILLING THE MANS. Is it? Why or why not?

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:50:25 (EDT) from ip1.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Just posting here to tell everyone that Ted's absolutely right about what I said on the board. If you replace the words "longs to" with the words "strongly implied that he might", the word "kill" with with the word "do something nasty but undefined to", and the words "the first person his sister dates" with the words "anyone who would try to commit CSA (read: statutory rape) on his sister", that is. Actually... I guess that changes the meaning of the phrase somewhat. Anyway, that's enough of that. As for stuff that belongs in a guestbook... I've been visiting this site for... two and a half years now, and it keeps getting better! I still check it every time I log on.
John Wilkie <cizion13@hotmail.com>
Canada - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:43:17 (EDT) from vic-53-0241.direct.ca
Fathers rights are primary rights. Like mothers rights. To keep raise and feed and pay for for 18 years as a SEPARATE choice. Women cannot have UNILATERAL abortion, at least, without trampling on men and basically making them suffer under a worse form of unilateral adoption. So they have no right. Its self explanatory. Amazing youd even question it LIKE THAT. To say otherwise is to view children as the disposable property of the mother.

And, you DONT HAVE to prove its child to prove fathers rights. A man contributed exactly the same to a child about to be adopted as neweborn, never was pregnant, and his sig is needed for that. so to in abortion should it be. The man never gestated. But he is a father and the fetus bleongs TO HIM EQAULLY. So no termination of parental rights nad his belief that its human should occur. You dont see cohicers saying women who THINK its murder should have to submit to forced abortions on their own fetuses, do you? So why should a man Its his fetus. He believes its human fully and thats why he doesnt want abortion for his fetus. He doesnt have to prove viability at all. Thats nonsequituer. A A FATHER is just as much a daddy iduring that 9 months from day one to age 18 and even beyond. His claim at all times should be essentially equal to the mothers. We are tresspassing on mens freedom of religion in their OWN fetus's case and right to believe its human and act as its protector, to choose life. Abortion laws as currently formulated remove mens rights to CHOOSE. See my page about abortion laws unfairness to men and ONE plan to redress the balance and make things a little better, at least:

Veto 4 Fathers!

I as a lifer would argue, though, that NEITHER parent has a right to kill, at best terminate if BOTH agree in adoption. But my fathers rights arguments DONT depend on proving fetal personhood. They stand on their own as valid if we assume the same for women. We cant cut women special reproductive huge favors removing all rights from the other sex for women unless we do it for men, and we dont. So case closed, abortion is kaput or at LEAST we pass paternal consent needed and vetoes for men, and notice of any impending abortion plan like in adoption so the man can block it and take the baby into his custody...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:40:05 (EDT) from ip1.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Actually, Ted, the site still exists. Why do want to return so badly if you dislike it so much? I purged the entire message board, not just your posts, "censoring" even myself.
Mike, the Ignorant Hyprocritical Alcohoic White Trash Bigot
Canada - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:38:06 (EDT) from cogeco-24-175.cgocable.net
PLM:

Framing the abortion debate as anything other than the moral status of the fetus is sophistry; that question is central, and the answer to it will let us know whether or not abortion per se is wrong. And I care for the general opinion of the American public about as much as I care for the opinions of Pat Robertson, Bob Enyart, Bill McCartney and Jerry Falwell.
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:32:48 (EDT) from LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


PLM:

What is the origin of a man's "right to a child he has sired?" And, use of the term "child" is fuzzy here; do you mean a person or a non-person? There are those who argue that the fetus is a non-person, no more morally weighted than a skin culture or blood sample. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:19:32 (EDT) from LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


JSBurke: Normal guestbook? Haven't had one in a while I guess :)
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:08:45 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
Carolyn: Since when have you had a normal guestbook? jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:07:02 (EDT) from LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Mike Brown is far from ignorant, or a hypocrite, and your rants are a bit tired and worn. Ted, I don't know what you do in the library all day, but this is a bit ridiculous.
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:03:45 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
Could be that J. Burke agrees with Ted on the pedophilia issue???

That must have been exactly what I meant. What a perceptive reader you are! jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 13:00:00 (EDT) from LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU


Can anyone tell me what has happend to the fascist Mike Brown's wed site? Is he revamping the entire thing to keep differing opinions off of it? Its really funny how right-wingers react violently against claims that they are neo-nazis, yet when challenged they expose themselves as being just that. Its also really funny how Mike Brown has a statement up on his site about how bold and brave ARISTOTLE was to drink the hemlock rather than allow his freedom of speech to be circumscribed. First, it was SOCRATES, no Aristotle who drank the hemlock. That Mike Brown did not know this is telling. He's really quite an ignorant little man, like most right-wingers. Especially that little creep John Wilkie, who longs to kill the first person his sister dates. Second, it just goes to show what a hypocrite Mike Brown really is. He exalts the right of free speech while censoring his site. And all this is an open and shut case. The evidence is as clear as clear can possibly be. Mike Brown is simply an ignorant fool and a hypocrite.
TED
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 12:59:59 (EDT) from pc46.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
It's NOT morning yet Carolyn! hehehehh no way I refuse to admit it~
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 11:13:47 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
I highly doubt that J. Burke agrees with that stuff - now, I would looove for this to go back to a semi-normal guestbook. I'll start off by not posting after this (for a while, anyway ;-) )
Carolyn
New Joisey USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 11:00:10 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
Could be that J. Burke agrees with Ted on the pedophilia issue???....
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 10:50:33 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
There once was a girl from C. Hill
Whose posts are so screechingly shrill
that your ears start to bleed
whenever you read,
and you retinas are burned by the trill.

Mike (yes, the "white trash alcoholic bigot" Mike) <anything@cgocable.net>
Hamilton, On Canada - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 10:45:19 (EDT) from cogeco-24-175.cgocable.net
Good morning everyone :-)
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 10:27:44 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
Hoosier Pharmer's comments were called sensational yet J. Burke doesn't say anything about this Ted person. Illogical.
Dan
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 10:23:15 (EDT) from spider-wl072.proxy.aol.com
Ted, I'm sorry if you've been hurt or discriminated against because of your sexual orientation. Not everyone here is a conservative/anti-gay, or whatever. Caroline is a conservative, but she has a link to PLAGAL in her pro-life webring, so I hardly think she's homophobic. I'm certainly not. As for Mother Teresa, I never heard this information about her, and if it's true, it certainly is disturbing, to say the least, but you have to admit she did do SOME good.
Melissa
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 10:17:32 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
Burke: "Abortion as violation of the right to life" in favor of "Abortion is questionable due to the controversy over personhood and the justification of rights."

Abortion, rights and personhood are such complex areas philosophically that I've yet to take a definitive stand on the abortion issue. jsb

But since abortion laws also violate mens rights to father a child they have already sired, and HE may believe its murder, abortion rights again are out for women unilaterally framed at least. Neither PLrs or Pcrs are innocent of falsely publicly framing the abortion issue as EITHER OR "a womans choice and/or to control body *OR* fetal right ot life rights and personhood debate. But since abortion *ALSO* means ALL MEN lose ALL THEIR reproductive rights, only NATURE should be folllowed, and that way BOTH sexes have equal rights. Women are not owed special priviliges for gestating. This is the big error made when the courts look at fathers rights in abortion. Men, if you have looked at the laws in paternity, are never rewarded by extreme rights discrepencies at female expense in any of these matters, and C4M (legal rights and responsibility of father waiving by him alone) isnt legal. Further, men are not told their NOT gestating leads them to have such rights by din of biological excuse of not being able to reasonably control outcome, birth, heightened by Roe, and men arent rewarded for biology in the fact that men can get multiple women pregnant at a lmost the same time, while women cannot barring multiple fetuses in the same pregnancy by "committing" the same sex acts with same number of partners due to pure biology. No, the law holds men for child support on each and doesn feel "sorry" for men and just says "control your sperm better". So why is it that the law in effect apologizes for female's gestational burdons? Thats simply pure biology, its not mens fault. Women are owed NOTHING but child support/help. Abortion violates fathers rights to choose and to retain parental rights to child they already have made without proof of unfitness in a court of law. Thats unreasonable burdon ON MEN, who are being treated to a worse form of unilateral adoption, as his religious beliefs and personal ones are violated on baby dying as well, and no reuinion is possible. Yet men have rights to oppose adoption. They should have the same rights to oppose aborton of their own child and polls indicate American's agree...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 09:51:48 (EDT) from ip1.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


I like your website. So could you please send me pictures of Marvin. PLS.PLS.PLS.PLS.PLS.PLS.PLS.PLS.PLS.
Buboy <buboy83@mailcity.com>
Quezon CIty , Philippines - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 01:43:43 (EDT) from 202.163.239.66
Hoosier Pharmer:

I think that's the sort of sensational drivel we can do without. jsb
J. Burke
Muncie, IN USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 00:20:33 (EDT) from 147.226.152.76


Ya think that Cleveland library needs a few extra guards, since a pedophile may be stationed there.. Maybe in the kiddie section???
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 00:05:26 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
Yo Ted this is how Carolyn knows where you are posting from from pc11.chuhpl.lib.oh.us DEAL WITH IT!
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 22:57:41 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Gargaro is one of the fairest accurate debators online in the forums...

She's quite competent, I'll admit; but I tend to think she should abandon her "Abortion as violation of the right to life" in favor of "Abortion is questionable due to the controversy over personhood and the justification of rights."

Abortion, rights and personhood are such complex areas philosophically that I've yet to take a definitive stand on the abortion issue. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 21:30:30 (EDT) from 170.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net


Wow!!! Your website on Marvin the martian is my favorite one on the internet (sincerely). It is really complete. I'm also a big Marvin fan and I've got plenty of stuff from him. I wonder if people would like to maybe trade or better sell me their Marvin thing...??? Keep it up... MO
Eric aka MO <couple_ideal@hotmail.com>
Vald'Or, QC Canada - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 21:21:48 (EDT) from nas2-128.csolve.net
Because his modus operndi seems like a choicer stereotype.

I'm not sure what you mean. I've never encountered a "choicer" stereotype anymore than I've encountered a "lifer" stereotype or a "Mexican" stereotype. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 21:14:10 (EDT) from 170.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net


Yes, the id is there. I never saw it because I wasn't looking. Never be- fore have on seen the ip listed on a site I've posted at. As for personal attacks, you conser- vatives of guility of that everytime you open your foul little mouths about gay people. You people are so full of anger and hostility its amazing. Comparing gay people to alcholics and kleptomanics! Am I angry about that? You bet. Any decent person would be. Angry that Mother Teresa washed syringes in cold water, which may have led to the deaths of some people? Yep, you bet. Angry that she defend the Duvailers and Charles Keating? Most certainly. The question is not why I'm angry or why I'm angry, its why you're not. Any sane and decent person would be angry about these. Instead, you're angry at me and perfectly innocent gay people for no good reason. You people have no morality or decency.
Ted
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 21:08:12 (EDT) from pc27.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
Because his modus operndi seems like a choicer stereotype.

Ted: are you a choicer or not? A simple yes or no will suffice...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 21:07:32 (EDT) from ip202.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


PLM: Why did you ask Ted if he "believes in killing children?" This strikes me as a rather odd question, since Ted's view of abortion has never been an issue. jsb
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Muncie, IN USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 21:01:31 (EDT) from 170.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net
Ted, dufus:

Your IP is ON your post. Even I can see its from a public library as it SAYS SO. Do you have a home? Alot of vagrants post from Public Libraries, a little known factoid about public library internet users. Creepin Criminey it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see where you post from...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:58:01 (EDT) from ip202.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Actually, PLM, I never got far enough into a debate with him to get anywhere. I never entered the debate thread where he was defending the study which said pedophilia was "not harmful." (yes, he was arguing that). I was debating drug legalization, and while the others debated normally, every post to me was full of personal attacks and insults. Thus, so I could carry on my debates in peace, I took them to private email with a few people from the board. I see Ted is still posting here. Ted, this is my last request. Stop sitting at your terminal at the Cleveland Heights­University Heights Public Library and reloading my guestbook and posting. Find something else to do with your time. You win Ted. Your supreme intellect is too much for me. Maybe one day I'll be as smart as you, and I will spend my days reloading guestbooks. How do I know where you post from Ted? Ummm... very easy. Your IP follows you, and is posted right here in the guestbook. You must be new to the Internet. Your assertion that me knowing your IP is fascism is laughable. As I said - goodbye Ted.
Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:26:42 (EDT) from port3.interstat.net
Carolyn: How did you know that I post from a public library? Are you and the facsist Mike Brown checking up? Why would you go to such extreme lengths? You people really are crazy! To try to find out where someone's post- ing from is really bizarre. Don't you think you people need help? I mean, this is crazy, right? Its an open and shut case of paranoid insanity.
Ted
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:25:51 (EDT) from pc11.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
Proliferman: I noticed that you didn't respond to one of my points about the grotesque Mother Teresa. Washing used syringes in cold water!!! Come on now, that's criminal behavior. If a doctor did that, he would not be allowed to pracitice medicine. And if someone died as a result, he might be executed. What about Mother Teresa's involvment with the Duvaliers and Charles Keating? These were two VERY shady characters. And Mother Teresa had nothing but praise for them. This is crazy. Just becuse someone mouths moralistic, right-wing cliches is meaningless. Watch what they do, not what they say. This should be a no-brainer. And as for insults, conservatives insult gays all the time. Trent Lott compared them to alcoholics(that's Mike Brown) and kleptomaniacs and every conservative jumped to his defense. Conservatism is all about insults.
Ted Stevens
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:21:18 (EDT) from pc11.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
Yup. I was right. Ted, your last "attack the woman" post reveals you to be a logical fallacy based ad hominem loving fraud who is mad over losing to the better prepared Gargaro in debate elsewhere. So you came here to whine. I would love to see the forum you lost to her in, what was it over? Please dont tell me you favor killing children, do you?

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:18:38 (EDT) from ip202.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


This is not a debate forum which is why I am not getting into a debate with you here. In addition, I debate numerous people on a regular basis, thus, I do not have the time to debate everyone, and certainly not those who can't put aside their personal anger when debating issues. You anger is obvious here, as it was in your posts to me on the other board. I know too many people who disagree with me, yet respect my differing opinion, to spend my time debating you. This is not a debate forum, so again, please do not use it as such. Of course, it's much easier to ignore my request when you post anonymously from a public library.

Goodbye, Ted.

Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:15:32 (EDT) from port3.interstat.net
But Carolyn, we all LOVE you!!!! :^) What is he thinking???? Sheesh!

Well, ok, maybe not Ted-but didnt he say he hated a famous female religious defender of life? I wonder what HE thinks of Margret Sanger? Does anyone KNOW? I bet he *loves* HER!

He obviously isnt a good judge of fine character like yours. Me thinks we are back to the old "I lost so now you are a rightwing zealot" thing, or worse, the sexist misogynist "I lost to a woman and now I am mad" phenomena.

To all: Gargaro is one of the fairest accurate debators online in the forums, and I can see where this kind of thing is coming from.

I have noticed this alot whenever one sees an intelligent articulate woman, like you, go at it on forums and some clueless guy like Ted shows up, starts debating emotionally on impeachment or some such thing, ends up cornered, and then starts pouting over it. Then the name calling starts or other petty things.

If you cant debate on facts, with any person, then you should just not debate. Maybe he is just here to air his sour grapes at losing, and that is pretty childish if so...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:10:09 (EDT) from ip202.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Well Carolyn, I'm not surprised you have no defense of the horrible Mother Teresa. The right-wing always loves brutal and sadistic frauds. That they talk of morality just shows what sick and demented liars they are. What's up with Mike Brown's site? A friend of mine is posting there at my suggestion and apparently the board is now down. Will it be down permanently? Are you people THAT afraid of beig challenged. You conservatives are a bunch of big crying babies. Boo hoo hoo hoo... the big bad liberals are out arguing us. We just got take our ball and go home!
Ted Stevens
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 19:48:18 (EDT) from pc10.chuhpl.lib.oh.us
I should have known Ted (below) would show up and post something like this. He was on another debate board, and made very clear his extreme dislike for me and everything I stand for, so this post is no surprise. Ted never leaves an e-mail address, and he posted under various names on another board. I do hope Ted realizes that this is not a debate forum, though I doubt it.
Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 19:12:58 (EDT) from port7.interstat.net
In an article in the September 1997 issue of Salon magazine Christopher Hitchens revealed some interesting de- tails about the life of Mother Teresa. In 1981 she travelled to Haiti to accept that nation's highest award, the legion of honor. Haiti at that time was ruled with an iron fist by Duv- alier family, which plundered the nation and suppresed the people with the dread- ed secret police know as the Ton-ton Macoutes. Mother Tereas praised the Duvalier family and talked of their committment to the poor!!! In 1992, she appeared in a Los Angeles court as a character witness for Charles Keating, the biggest embeezzler in US history. His S&Ls stole a total of 252 million dollars. A fanatic right- winger and anti-pornography zealot, he gave Mother Teresa over a million dollars in cash and use of a private jet. The court asked that she return Keating's donations since they very well may have been stolen. She never res- ponded. Despite being lavishly supplied with right-wing money, the conditions in her clinics were deplorable. No pain kill- ers and syringes washed in cold water were typical. This, of course, is a moral outrage. Mother Tereasa was a sick and demented woman. Its amazing that she is so favorably regarded.
Ted Stevens
USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 18:51:16 (EDT) from pc43.chuhpl.lib.oh.us

Bangladesh wrote:

"i am a love man i love woman i like sexy woman are you help me any sexy woman send me latter my e-mail adderss please.my phone :-88-02-508963 ISMAIL ZABIULLA SHARIF (BAPPY) dhaka, dhaka bangladesh - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 02:34:25 (EDT) from ts1-25.bangla.net "

Yo, Bangladesh! I love your approach with women. So charming. NOT! How any dates have got this way???

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 14:33:28 (EDT) from ip99.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


i am a love man i love woman i like sexy woman are you help me any sexy woman send me latter my e-mail adderss please.my phone :-88-02-508963
ISMAIL ZABIULLA SHARIF (BAPPY) <ismailz@bangla.net>
dhaka, dhaka bangladesh - Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 02:34:25 (EDT) from ts1-25.bangla.net
I absolutely love Marvin the Martian and even have a pair of kick-ass Marvin the Martian sunglasses!!! My friends all think Marvin sucks but he rocks soooo hard!!!! I love the pictures!!!! You are right!!! There is definitely not enough Marvin the Martian stuff out there!!! This is an awesome sight and i hope to find out more about Marvin the Martian!!! GReat Job!!! LOVE YA!!!!
Kermit the Frog
Toronto, ON Canada - Monday, June 21, 1999 at 15:00:41 (EDT) from tbefw1.scar.edu.on.ca
Gee, Caroline, you really have some "winners" posting here -- white supremacists, misogynists, people who think the "f" word is an adjective, homophobes, and just plain sickos, like the "reverend" Donald Spitz, who is about as "holy" as my cat. If it's true that you can judge the quality of a person by his or her enemies -- then Carolyn, you're a real champ!!
Melissa
USA - Monday, June 21, 1999 at 12:59:03 (EDT) from fw.usip.edu
COOL site, cool sound, hate Barney! I love it!
Kit Waites
Potters Bar, Herts UK - Monday, June 21, 1999 at 07:58:23 (EDT) from wildebeast.rmplc.co.uk
I like the music sites....thanks. Do The www.offspring.com qualify? They have a great site. You might like www.grinspoon.com great up & coming rock band.
Puck <puck53@hotmail.com>
Lake Macquarie, NSW Australia - Monday, June 21, 1999 at 02:44:29 (EDT) from ppp-nca-141.nobbys.net.au
carolyn out of curiosity how r we suposed to email you i cant find your email? (i am slightly braindead tonight)
Willow <Romproom@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, June 21, 1999 at 02:19:58 (EDT) from 1Cust21.tnt6.kennewick.wa.da.uu.net
Well i dont like people of the homosexual nature,and i can't say anything about abortion. But i realy love Marvin! that counts dont it?
Willow <Romproom@hotmail.com>
kenn, wa USA - Monday, June 21, 1999 at 02:13:07 (EDT) from 1Cust21.tnt6.kennewick.wa.da.uu.net
Was just reading your hate mail. You do attract the intelligent, reasonable, mature people, don't you?
Scott Tibbs <sctibbs@yahoo.com.x>
USA - Sunday, June 20, 1999 at 18:48:01 (EDT) from tc0-15.blm.bluemarble.net
Ah - below is the wonderous Sptiz - who continues to email me even though I have asked him not to. He is believes that killing abortion doctors is "Christian" and now he's all upset because I allow the Pro-life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians on my pro-life web ring. See, Spitz believes that it's ok to kill people, but that I am horrible for linking to a group of vocally pro-life group people who happen to be gay. He e-mails me and many of my pro-life friends with his rants, even though we want nothing to do with him and his violent view of the world. He emailed me right before he posted this and said I am "using the unborn for my own purposes" - now what purpose would that be? What on EARTH am I "using" the unborn for? Spitz seems to miss the fact that HE is using the unborn to further his hate and pro-violence views.
Carolyn
USA - Sunday, June 20, 1999 at 15:04:56 (EDT) from port7.interstat.net
The pro-life Web ring includes the SODOMITES FOR LIFE. I think these "pro-lifers" are unaware that the sodomite sex perverts are using the blood of unborn children to advance their cause of acceptance of sex perversion. Ezekiel 33:29 Then shall they know that I am the Lord, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.
Rev. Donald Spitz <JesusReigns@ArmyofGod.com>
Chesapeake, VA USA - Sunday, June 20, 1999 at 14:58:22 (EDT) from ppp02.ts1-1.Norfolk.visi.net
come to my website!!
Marvin <dhjs>
D-Dorf, 2 germany - Sunday, June 20, 1999 at 13:02:37 (EDT) from duesseldorf2.pop.metronet.de
Great pages! Visit my Hanoi Rocks page too: www.homestead.com/hanoirocksphotos/hanoi.html
Jani Pikkumäki <hanoi@saunalahti.fi>
Kuopio, Finland Finland - Sunday, June 20, 1999 at 12:54:35 (EDT) from kerma-out.kakku.saunalahti.fi
Everyone, take a nice look at the lovely person below. A person who seems to think sexual harassment is okay, and who believes personal insults against a woman's social status is acceptable. A perfect example of an anti-woman elitist.
Carolyn
USA - Sunday, June 20, 1999 at 10:51:32 (EDT) from port7.interstat.net
Paula Jones is nothing short of trailer park trash! If you drag a 100 dollar bill behind a truck, you'll be surprised what you pick up. She makes the statement that as long as you can sue for cash, everything is a o.k.
Paula Jones <spermburpinggutterslut@whore.com>
trailerpark, Ak USA - Sunday, June 20, 1999 at 10:49:36 (EDT) from cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net
My name is Ashley. I woul like to compliment you on your Marvin the MArtian page!!! It is by far the best I have seen. I am a very hug MArvin and K-9 fan! I hope that i will be able to go to that 3-d film you talked about! I'm only 16 so I'll have to wait awile. I also love the detail work on the truck and such. Well sorry for taking up so much space. thanks ashley
ashley
USA - Saturday, June 19, 1999 at 21:42:42 (EDT) from sdn-ar-001ohdaytP291.dialsprint.net
I do not understand why earlier this week when CNN was doing its Today in History thing, they felt the Dan Quayle "potatoe" business was worthy of mentioning as a milestone in history. It seems even harder to understand why a news company would always show how biased it is against a person by not including the fact that Dan Quayle was using printed cue cards provided by the spelling bee organization. THE CARD had the word misspelled on IT. I don't care who you are, I bet you would have thought that a national spelling organization would be correct on its cue cards and that you were the one mistaken in your thinking if it was different....just as he did. At any rate, whoever prepared the cue card definitely didn't know how to spell that particular word either, yet no mention is ever made of that fact. In my opinion, both Dan Quayle and Al Gore are too much like Jimmy Carter to be appreciated by this country. They are all three too honest and decent. The past year has shown us just what type of person a large portion of the American people, especially the press, have scrambled to throw their support behind.
Rachel S. Powell
USA - Friday, June 18, 1999 at 17:21:46 (EDT) from paw16.kimbanet.com
Oh Yeah A.C? Someone ought to test your Brainwaves or lack thereof
RAD-Cnsrv
USA - Friday, June 18, 1999 at 10:47:33 (EDT) from cnsrv.inlink.com
Someone should test your saliva.
A.C. Guard
USA - Thursday, June 17, 1999 at 21:13:16 (EDT) from ip22.moorestown6.nj.pub-ip.psi.net
MARVIN RULZ!!1 HE's DA'BOMB BABY!!!!!!!!
Jen and Ber <CoolChick21115@yahoo.com>
covington, LA USA - Thursday, June 17, 1999 at 20:44:59 (EDT) from covpri3-s39.fastband.com
Marvin Absolutely kicks Ass and sooo rocks! Any of you who think otherwise can Wank yourselves!!! Cheers
Bec Jacobs <littlebec@hotmail.com>
Frankston, Vic Australia - Thursday, June 17, 1999 at 20:26:46 (EDT) from 203.36.248.11
Listen, you Gore bashers, Big Al, or Commander Erogla (AL Gore spelled backwards and the name he uses on the mothership) is not to be so easily dismissed as being a fool. It has taken him a half century (your time) to develop to the degree that he has. On our planet and in our time Al is only a young child and is desireable on our planet to bear foolish children. So while you humans find it amusing to ridicule him...on LOOF (our planet) Al rules. See you in the next millenium.
mike <healyoids@aol.com>
pikesville, md USA - Thursday, June 17, 1999 at 17:51:06 (EDT) from spider-wk023.proxy.aol.com
Great Site keep up the good work. - J
Joe <Joe@endlessnight.zzn.com>
NYC, NY USA - Thursday, June 17, 1999 at 08:35:43 (EDT) from dia2.chase.com
Came to yr site from Marvin. u sure have some strange folk in yr country. Now MUST see the rest of yr site. Marvin is great i"m sure the rest will be interesting.
Steve H <alixit@netspace.net.au>
melbourne, vic australiaUSA - Thursday, June 17, 1999 at 04:15:26 (EDT) from proxy4-fxp0.netspace.net.au
I found your site by accident,I agree with your pro-life stance. What are your positions on gun control and taxes?
Tom Soper <tomicod@yahoo.com>
USA - Wednesday, June 16, 1999 at 19:44:13 (EDT) from 164.47.82.180
THIS IS THE MOST FASCINATING SITE ON DA WWW, AM A STUDENT DOING RESEARCH ON ANTI ABORTION AND THIS SITE GAVE ME ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I NEEDED.THUMBS UP AND KEEP UP DA PRESTIGIOUS WORK Y'LL DOING.
ISMAILA CHAM <MALIACHAM@YAHOO.COM>
DALLAS, TX USA - Wednesday, June 16, 1999 at 12:38:34 (EDT) from 144.162.185.55
I've luuuvvvvvvved Marvin since I was 5 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marvin Your the best, The bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sara
USA - Wednesday, June 16, 1999 at 11:09:04 (EDT) from kenn002b-240.cybertours.com
I luv Marvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Traci
USA - Tuesday, June 15, 1999 at 23:49:38 (EDT) from spider-pa051.proxy.aol.com
I am Fat Freddy with copyright protection. We are being made slaves by the Federal Government of the USA. You have no God given human rights at all. They make the laws and you have no rights of your own. This information was given to me by the Washington State Governors office. Read my Web Page at angelfire.com/wa/fatfreddy/index.html to get the big picture. We can only learn and this is the way to do it.Pass out the information to others as well.
Jess Williams/FatFreddy <realfatfreddyjay/worldnet.att.net>
Roy, Wa. USA - Tuesday, June 15, 1999 at 17:10:31 (EDT) from 31.seattle-03.wa.dial-access.att.net
Hi again, Carolyn. I left a message on your site which posted @3:00 your time (midnight mine). I had started it @ elevenish my time, but my downloading your pages and sending my message took so long. Why is that? The leftie sites I surf out of curiosity seem to download right away. Anyway, your site, of course, is tons better so keep up the great work!!!! :) Susan
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
Lodi, CA USA - Monday, June 14, 1999 at 22:51:26 (EDT) from 206.101.173.8
truthman:

Lieman,

I can see the level of sophistcation is sorta lacking. So...are you prochoice? Do you do this to all lifers? Only when you cannot debate on facts? Is that it, pure frustration over people seeing thru your logical fallacies? Or is it you just feel trashing guestbooks of fine respected women by using such foul language around them is a manly decent thing to do??? Does your grandmother know you speak like this in the presence of ladies?? Is that respectful??? Do you care about respecting women or are you just another proabortion Bill Clinton total MCP?

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, June 14, 1999 at 20:22:46 (EDT) from ip40.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


I'll leave the entry below, just so everyone can seen a fine example of idiocy on the web.
Carolyn
USA - Monday, June 14, 1999 at 19:48:12 (EDT) from port1.interstat.net
You all suck and swallow, just like prolifeman!
Truthman <piss@crap.com>
USA - Monday, June 14, 1999 at 19:30:26 (EDT) from PPPa39-ResalePensacolaB1-1R1135.saturn.bbn.com
I REALLY LIKE YOUR SITE U HAVE ALOT OF COOL THINGS THAT OTHERS DONT.. THANKS I HAVE BEEN GETTING FRUSTATED WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING ABOUT MARVIN ON THEIR PAGES.. WELL JUST WANTED TO TELL U GOOD JOB TYB
T.Y.B.
USA - Monday, June 14, 1999 at 16:08:44 (EDT) from tp71.tigerpaw.com
A United States Federal Court in Texas has ruled that the 2nd Amendment DOES protect the individual's right to own a firearm. (To read it, go here:) http://www.nraila.org/emerson.html The top of the above page contains a summary of the Judge's decision. Further down is the actual transcript of the Court's posted decision. This case not only addresses the 2nd Amendment, but also lays the ground work for a Constitutional challenge to the "Lautenberg Amendment." This case is being buried by the mainstream Leftist-Liberal media! This is a seminal case, and one which the public MUST be made aware of! Please help publicize it!!! Tell your friends and neighbors. Tell everyone you know. Thank you.
Federal Judge Rules:  Second Amendment Protects an Individual Right

Eric
USA - Monday, June 14, 1999 at 12:05:19 (EDT) from shlbmi007057.voyager.net
I just got on net a couple of weeks ago, so I'm new to this. I consider my views feminist, although I am conservative and pro life. Even so, these things are not oxymorons. I am the mom of three kids, two boys with higher than "normal" IQ's and a little girl with Down Syndrome. I've surfed around a variety of sites including one for parents who "terminated T-21 pregnancies" (they can't bring themselves to say "aborted".) The opinions about the children who might have been remind me of those that I and women like me expressed when learning of our children's disabilities. It's very sad that these parents made the choices they did, apparently in moments of great shock and grief. The implications for people like my daughter are a bit scary. I mean, if the "slippery slope" gets any slipperier, DS individuals may someday be denied lifesaving surgeries (this has already happened in some cases) and the basic human rights we all have may be denied them. People like those tragically ignorant parents and Dr. Peter Singer truly seem to believe that disabled people shouldn't be born. (Dr. Singer, of course goes even farther, and since this is a pro life site, no doubt you've all heard of him!) Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to sound off! Susan
Susan <beep@lodinet.com>
lodi, ca USA - Monday, June 14, 1999 at 03:06:10 (EDT) from 206.101.173.6
Oops, I didn't realise my link didn't appear on the website. If your looking for a gift, here is the website to look at! http://www.emscreateastore.com/heartofthegift/ Hope you don't mind my plug for my business! Luv those political pages!
Bunny <BabeoByte@aol.com>
Massillon, OH USA - Sunday, June 13, 1999 at 00:14:37 (EDT) from spider-tk014.proxy.aol.com
Great page! I found it thru the Ring of Conservative Sites. If anyone needs a gift, check out my site! Sorry for the blatant plug! >grin< Great site, though. Always glad to run across other like minded people!
Bunny <BabeoByte@aol.com>
Massillon, OH USA - Sunday, June 13, 1999 at 00:06:22 (EDT) from spider-tk014.proxy.aol.com
that was lovely amy! :)

So many choicers ASSUME it will be unloved as if they could predict the quality of babys futue life. Thats illogical. Just as the woman doesnt seem to want it or planned it NOW doesnt mean at the end of 9 months she wont, the father wont, or adoptive p arents wont. Prochoice is a lie because the choicer is choosing for the baby, how do they know baby would rather be dead than unwanted or that baby will even be unwanted once it terms or later on? Are they future tellers???

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 16:35:52 (EDT) from ip165.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


I am SO sick of pro-choicers that try to justify abortions, like its a form of birth control. I believe no matter what the circumstances, abortion is wrong. When i was 16 i got pregnant, and abortion NEVER even crossed my mind. And it has been the most wonderful 7 years. ( she will be seven in august) Yes it was hard, up all night with a baby and then going to school in the morning. I missed out on things when i was younger, but I could never justify having an abortion because i was irresponsible. I think that is the cowards way out. Why cant people now a days take responsibility for their actions? If you can't handle a baby then use birth control or,pardon but, keep your legs closed. Sometimes I am embarrassed to be a woman with all this crap going on. I think it takes a very cold hearted, selfish person to have an abortion. My youngest daughter is 9 months old and I cant wait to tell them both how they have made me the happiest woman in the world. I have never bragged about myself, but when I went to my senior prom, my daughter was on minature court, I was so proud of myself. And when i graduated highschool, she was loudest one cheering for me. And for pro-choicers who say,"walk a mile in my shoes" well, I would say that too, but you would never want to take them off : ) Amy/23 years old and proud
Amy <satin118@hotmail.com>
MI USA - Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 16:02:41 (EDT) from mar009.cybrzn.com
Hi Carolyn's Hey, Just a quick note to say you have a great Marvin Site (along with your home site wich is a fun trip). I was looking for pictures of Marvin to paint on my Motorcycle Helmet, and I found some to use from your site. Thank you, and take care - Matt
Matt <mburdett@digital.net>
Orlando, Fl USA - Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 15:24:29 (EDT) from max-orl2-43.digital.net
My Daughter and I visit this page often and have wonderful discussions after... Thank you!
Amy 23 (Mom) Taylor 7 (daughter) <satin118@hotmail.com>
MI USA - Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 14:57:32 (EDT) from mar009.cybrzn.com
I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE SHE'S GONE--EVEN AFTER ALMOST TWO YEARS. I CAN SEE WHY YOU GOT SO MANY AWARDS--YOU DESERVE IT. AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE WHO LOVED HER REMEMBER HER--SHE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH US--I WILL ALWAYS LOVE AND HONOR HER MEMORY--THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH ME. MARIA
MARIA <rhee43@hotmail.com>
PACE, FL USA - Saturday, June 12, 1999 at 02:23:41 (EDT) from host-216-76-248-165.pns.bellsouth.net
Abortion is the cash cow of unplanned parenthood. That's why they push it so hard. ************** Mary, for many women, abortion does not stop them from wondering what happened to the baby. If you ever succeed in having a child, will it help him to know that your love is *still* conditional? Will that make him feel secure?
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Friday, June 11, 1999 at 14:42:42 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
If that baby ten years ago would have been the only baby I could have had, I would still have made the same CHOICE. I would not want a baby by that guy. I never would have met my husband or been able to finish college. Keep abortion legal. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mary lets apply your same statement to men:

MAN : "I would not want a baby by that girl. I never would have met my wife or been able to finish college. Keep C4M legal."

The reaction of society is hes a deadbeat dad, and you are defending womens rights!? Nobody would care if he couldnt pay or finish college theyd say pay or jail! How about you?

What gives you the right to terminate his parental rights lacking proof of unfitness when men cant and arent and shouldnt be allowed to do that to you? What if HE felt the same way about you, and demanded abortion? Then what? What if he had at least the power to evade all ressponsibility and pay no child support whenever he wanted, or worse, violate your personal beliefs on abortion pl or pc, and or force a MEDICAL ABORTION on you, preventing you from keeping a child YOU wanted just as he said so? Why did you get pregnant by him if he was such a jerk? Further, did he agree to that abortion or want it, or did he know about it even? Or did you just exploit these insane laws? Mary, how would you feel if that was done to you? Suppose we changed laws to allow MEN to arbitrarily, whenever the mood struck them to absolutely pick their childs mother to the point of unilaterally terminating your baby without consent? Still favor abortion???? How????

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 19:07:04 (EDT) from ip186.austin17.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Carolyn, you have a beutiful website! keep up the good work!
annessa <jayjo@execulink.com>
london, ont canada - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 18:49:31 (EDT) from ppp134.a1-1.56k.execulink.com
Mary (below): Does the fact that you do not regret your decision in any way negate the pain these other women feel? Does it negate the women who were pressured into aborting, or the abortion doctor who called one woman a "bitch" when she started crying from the pain? And with regards to your earlier post, you state that it's all about not having to take care of chilren you don't want. So, if I give birth and decide I don't want the child, do I have a right to kill the child because I "don't want" him/her?
Carolyn
USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 18:35:36 (EDT) from carolyn.interstat.net
I just read your page of women who felt bad after an abortion, and I wanted to add my comment. I had an abortion ten years ago. Now I am married and we are having trouble conceiving. If that baby ten years ago would have been the only baby I could have had, I would still have made the same CHOICE. I would not want a baby by that guy. I never would have met my husband or been able to finish college. Keep abortion legal. Oh, incidentally, regardless of their previous position on this subject, Planned Parenthood makes hardly any money on any of their services including abortion. They only make seven cents from a pack of birth control pills. And it's only five dollars for a full pelvic exam and you don't have to make the appointment two months ahead of time like with regular doctors.
mary
USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 18:30:58 (EDT) from sji-ca13-86.ix.netcom.com
ok, so you dont want men who acciudentally get women pregnant to be made to pay? are you in favor of c4m? legally evading child support the man doesnt feel able to pay? What if the father wants it? Are you going to trot out that old tired weak argument saw of "her body her choice?" Why should women, already pregnant, be able to totally avoid child support when men cant? Why should she have to adopt it, you never noticed the father may want it did you? What about him? If you got pregnant, and you had no intention of having your parental rights terminated pc or pl or whatever, and the MAN said "how dare you make me have this baby, I cant and wont pay abort now!" do you support that? Or even him walking and evading child support by suppoting c4m so the man can go to college???? I didnt think so.

Stop making women into victims, nature not anythingh else makes a pregnant female give birth. Your whole reasoning is flawed. Each pregnancy naturally terminates in childbirth. She chose in all likelyhood to have sex and risk having a baby, and if she were a he you likely wouldnt have any or as much sympathy if he didnt want it or felt he shouldnt or couldnt pay....

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 18:27:27 (EDT) from ip129.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Re: abortion. I don't think the issue here is if it is murder or not. I think the issue is whether or not we force women to have a baby she does not want. Or force her to give birth to a baby and then give it away to total strangers and then she has to spend her whole life wondering where the kid is and how s/he is doing. I have known a couple women who were forced to give away their babies. They thought about it every day and were never at peace about it, wondering wondering where the baby was. They didn't even know what state the babies were taken to. Whereas women I knew who had abortions were so relieved that they did not have to go through anything like that. Please don't try to force wome n to have babies they don't want!
mary
USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 18:05:59 (EDT) from sji-ca13-86.ix.netcom.com
Well put Lara. And correct. Theres NO SPECIFIC liberal or conservative bet to PLism. Its A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.

no less than two persons rights are stomped to bits. One, baby, two father as no consent to kill or violate personal beliefs on something this major or terminate parental rights is needed and that INSANE. Also, arguably despite on table consent, lack of informed consent occurs and its permanent so it klobbers women and leads to miscarries later and inability to even have a pregnancy take hold on the uterine wall, hence infertility in women, and its dangerous and can SERIOUSLY HARM INTERNALLY OR EVEN KILL women afterwards, and some ofrms of abortion are especially cruel pyschologically to women like bathroom deliveries of stillborn salt poisoned babies, its like being tortured in the mind. Many women and men who live thru abortion end up killing themselves. Crisis pregnancies need real help and solutions, which are life affirming, not abortion quick fixes that inevitably destroy lives.

Hence, conservative or liberal doesnt apply.

FYI, ALL LIFERS PLEASE READ LARA'S SEHLAT.COM ARTICLE ("NEVER ENOUGH")

Never Enough

...ON LIFER IN FIGHTING, SUPPORTER BASHING AND GROUP UNIFYING, ETC. ITS REQUIRED READING FOR ALL PROLIFERS, IMHO...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 16:01:08 (EDT) from ip129.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Liberals like yourself generalize all the time - am I the only one who sees the humour in that? =8^)
Brenda, the political nomad
Waterloo, Canada - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 14:41:15 (EDT) from surfec011.sybase.com
PLM: I know Wendy is a hopeless case. I just get sick of seeing her abuse guestbooks and make false accusations about stuff. Granted, she does prove her ignorance beautifully... but still...

Tim: Pro-life is neither conservative nor liberal. It is a human rights issue that transcends political persuasions. See Carolyn's pro-life pages for links to liberal, libertarian, and other nontraditional pro-life groups and people. I, for one, would love to see liberal Democrats and Libertarians who respect life stay within their parties and work toward positive change. As someone who deals with lifers of all kinds, I can assure you that many differences become insignificant once the common ground of respect for life is in place. Go check out some links and prepare for a pleasant surprise! :)
Lara
Music City, TN USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 11:30:58 (EDT) from A167166.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu


Poor little Wendy. She does not like to be called a baby killer. You see Liberals like yourself generalize all the time. An abortion clinic gets bomed (which is very tragic) and all who are Pro-Life are now Doctor killers. Conservatives are labeled as Homo-Phobes because we don't agree with the lgay life style. We are cold hearted because we don't subscribe to political correctness (which is a big load of crap) I could go on and on, but I won't. The point is, Liberals generalize all the time about conservatives, when the tables are turned you don't like it. One other thing Wendy, you post your opinions in a guest book. That gives anyone who wants, the right to take issue with what you say. So how can you tell someone to mind their business when they call you on the carpet?? Want some cheese with your whine Wendy???
Tim <tslck@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 09:25:59 (EDT) from pm1-27.hcpd.com
I'm a little confused. I always thought Pro-Life was a conservative issue. However in a post down below Jordan states that the left wing liberal hipocrisy here should stop. Or maybe it is you Jordan who is confused??
Tim <tslck@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 09:08:08 (EDT) from pm1-27.hcpd.com
I just wanted to say that I believe you posting about adoption on your site is wonderful. I am a birth mother and placed with the Gladney Center and everyday I am thankful for my adopted parents. Having a realationship with them and recieving letters and pictures lets me feel like I'm still a part of his life. I just recently had a daughter, 2 mo. old and now I think of him even more but I know that he is loved and one day he will understand everything. Anyway... I just wanted to say thank you for letting someone have another option to a dificult decision in there life.
Crystal <cwisely@email.msn.com>
Tulsa, OK USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 00:36:21 (EDT) from 1Cust164.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net
HEY Laura Mind your own BUSINESS
Wendy
USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 23:53:07 (EDT) from spider-ti014.proxy.aol.com
Just thought I'd sign your guest book. I've e-mailed you about my site, but may have forgotten to mention I hope to be included in the Ring of Conservative Sites. That's what I get for doing this when I'm tired :-)
Eric Isley <farmer60@voyager.net>
Shelby, MI USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 20:30:42 (EDT) from shlbmi007043.voyager.net
Well, put and correct, but maybe you shouldnt waste time bothering with this mess, Lara. Carolyn and I have both tried here and in emails and its not making any headway. AT ALL. But ignoring her posts doesnt either, then again...

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 14:46:58 (EDT) from ip122.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Hey Wendy....

GROW UP!

For someone who hates what Carolyn stands for so much, you sure like visiting the very pages which offend you. Ya know what I do when I see a site I don't like? I *don't* go back! It's that easy. Really. All you're doing is making a total fool of yourself here, with your multiple posts, your proven ability to accuse Carolyn of things easily refuted by merely reading gargaro.com and rightgrrl.com, and then acting like such a baby when we call you on it.

If you want to get real and actually discuss the offending topic, I (and a few others) have answered your posts on THD. If you're just looking to slam and insult and trash guestbooks... hey, make yourself look bad. Destroy what little credibility you may have had. Knock yourself out.
Lara
Music City, TN USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 14:31:03 (EDT) from A171102.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu


I enjoy your background that you made for marvin. That enjoyable for the people who likes Marvin to surf through the homepage. and I did enjoy it going through the homepage. See you late earthliges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Elizabeth
chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 14:25:32 (EDT) from rmclibrary3.rmcil.edu
I enjoy your background you made like home for marvin. That enjoyable for the people who likes Marvin to suffer through the homepage. and I did enjoy it going through the homepage. See you late earthliges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Elizabeth
chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 14:23:42 (EDT) from rmclibrary3.rmcil.edu

PLM you are twisting what I say around

No, logical fallacies ARE your trademark, like nearly ALL choicers. You misunderstand cause and effect. You assume the premise in questions, begging the query, you assume women not having abortion rights must lead to mass scale back alley borting and thus women dying and thats simply NOT TRUE. Post hoc. Ergo Propter Hoc. endlessly...

So you can give that up right now

When you give up your logical fallacies...

When it comes to spelling hummmm hello TYPOS Oh I forgot you are perfect

Not even. But I can spell *DEBATE*! ;^P

You will find more truth in the poem then you wish to admitt

Nope. You cant speak for women except yourself. As far as anecdotal evidence is concerned, tons of women who never wanted to be pregnant, werent planning it, and even wanted abortion who somehow termed went on to love the baby abd treasure it. A woman cant predict how she will feel about abortion down the line, and thats ne of many reasons why it cant be allowed, its to permanent and destructive to women, men and children. A child is not unwanted or doomed to being totally unloved just as the WOMAN doesnt want it. The father may, or adoptive couples. Your gloom and doom scenario of frightening women with horrible consequences if they CHOOSE to have their baby leads to ill-advised abortion decisions based on fear and emotions-not facts.

>To you I am a baby killer and

Where did I say that? But you DO advocate JUST THAT ON DEMAND.

>We pro- choicers are sick of being called that Then stop endorsing the killing of babies...duh!

I have NEVER killed a baby in my life:-> Good. :) I am glad you arent post abortive. But your denial sounds like it. The quickest way to cure women of abortion "rights" support is for them to HAVE an abortion. Yet this is not something one wants on the job training in. I dont reccomend it even for my worst enemy. So, why not keep it that way for yourself and others, and endorse only life affirming alternatives? Ones that prevent post abortion sydrome pain, self hate and suicides? Deep down you know we are right, but you defend abortion rights based on misplaced feminism ideals, not reality...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 12:03:23 (EDT) from ip122.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


What a small life you must have, Wendy, to find so much time to say so little so frequently. It's "sarcasm". Might as well correct ALL your spelling.
Mike
USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 11:58:38 (EDT) from 24.226.90.254
Carolyn.. your sarcasim is running very thin OOPS typo
Wendy
USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 11:47:48 (EDT) from spider-wa032.proxy.aol.com
And your obsession with posting here is boring me.
Carolyn.. your sarcasim is runnung very thin
Wendy
USA - Wednesday, June 09, 1999 at 11:47:23 (EDT) from spider-wa032.proxy.aol.com
PLM you are twisting what I say around So you can give that up right now When it comes to spelling hummmm hello TYPOS Oh I forgot you are perfect You will find more truth in the poem then you wish to admitt To you I am a baby killer and We pro- choicers are sick of being called that I have NEVER killed a baby in my life:-> Abortion Bomb My brother is dead They blew him up in an abortion clinic last week He had dedicated his life to helping women find some peace Felt more tears on shoulder than any nun you'll ever meet Now he helps no one and the girls get their abortions in an alley of a dark street Saw then on the news They said they represented God and life But they killed my brother and eight others in a flash of light and blood Now a 15 year old girl is dead The coat hanger didn't work like she thought it would They would rather unwanted children then women living happily
Wendy
USA - Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 23:57:39 (EDT) from spider-we064.proxy.aol.com
Wendy loves my site so much that she stops by multiple times every day!
I think that your site is great. Isn't it wonderful how open minded these "liberals" are? When did we loose grasp of that term, anyhow? I'd love to be considered a liberal is it would put me in the company of Edmund Burke, Thomas Jefferson, and Abra ham Lincoln. Keep up the great work.
Patrick <patrick@buckley.net>
Miami, FL USA - Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 18:36:26 (EDT) from esprit.law.miami.edu
History does repeat, Carolyn you said you would not respomd to my e-mails and you just did last night

So, you repay her too-kind courtesy by insulting her???? I wouldnt push my luck...

> Read this Poem: (propaganda snipped)

More PC misunderstanding/deliberate misrepresentation of cause and effect and PLifer bashing to make us look like religious kooks. There are more lies in this poem to make pinochio's nose grow to the MOON than ever in the fable. Take these logical fallacies of yours to be destroyed on THD, in public and in appropos forums, not Carolyn's Guestbooks!

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 14:48:25 (EDT) from PPPa46-ResaleAustin1-1R1134.saturn.bbn.com


>All she does is respond in red, but when she does it does not make any >sence.

It makes alot more sense when you can spel, er, uh, spell... ;^)

> The she will blame you for SPAMMING or >she will think we are the same person because we have an aol >address.

Because you HAVE spammed her, more than once...

> you can go on the HOT Dabate >BOARD she will not respond to you if you post in her guestbooks.

As these arent appropriate debate forums. I am certain she would consider doing so, at least. elsewhere such as THD. DEBATE, not "DABATE". You have a habit of twisting around email exchanges on statement facts, and that makes folks leery of responding to you, fearing alteration. So, its best to keep it ALL public when dealing with you as that keeps it all common knowledge...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin , TX USA - Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 14:35:34 (EDT) from PPPa46-ResaleAustin1-1R1134.saturn.bbn.com


I am rather disappointed with your site. I've read the same material on another website and recalled almost everything they said in theirs in yours. I will advise all the people I know not to visit this site and guide them to visit others. That's all I have to say! Sincerely, Very Disappointed

- Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 11:53:04 (EDT) from 216.129.4.66
Wow! You read the same stuff on another site?! There's another site out there that has info on Marvin the Martian, metal music, the Titanic, abortion, politics, & ribbon campaigns? What a coincidence! ;)
History does repeat, Carolyn you said you would not respomd to my e-mails and you just did last night Read this Poem Abortion Bomb My brother is dead They blew him up in an abortion clinic last week He had dedicated his life to helping women find some peace Felt more tears on shoulder than any nun you'll ever meet Now he helps no one and the girls get their abortions in an alley of a dark street Saw then on the news They said they represented God and life But they killed my brother and eight others in a flash of light and blood Now a 15 year old girl is dead The coat hanger didn't work like she thought it would They would rather unwanted children then women living happily
Wendy
NY USA - Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 11:34:20 (EDT) from spider-tp012.proxy.aol.com
Didn't I say she'd be back? Wendy just can't stay away from my site :)
Again, as I said previously, there is no right or wrong, because there are too many "what-ifs". Speck [speckx@fcmail.com] You don't really believe this crap, do you? There most certainly are things that are right, and things that are wrong. Abortion is wrong. It really is pretty simple. I agree with you that people who are not ready to start a family should take steps to ensure that a pregnancy does not take place, but when accidents happen, it is time to grow up and take personal responsibility for your actions. Abortion is an avoidance of responsibility. I am not a religious person, but can you think of anything better than Christian values to base our Government on? See you at The Hot Debate board. Matt
Matt <lbftaylor@yahoo.com>
MO USA - Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 08:52:09 (EDT) from pix2-100.ameren.com
Like I said Carolyn I am pro choice and I agree with Jordan ( but not with the language) Jordan don't let it bother you. All she does is respond in red, but when she does it does not make any sence. The she will blame you for SPAMMING or she will think we are the same person because we have an aol address. Oh Jordan you can go on the HOT Dabate BOARD she will not respond to you if you post in her guestbooks.
wendy <h2474@aol.com>
ny USA - Monday, June 07, 1999 at 22:58:35 (EDT) from spider-we024.proxy.aol.com
What an interesting interpretation of past events. I asked this person to post in a debate forum after she kept posting in the Rightgrrl guestbook, informing her that I would answer her there and she refused. If history repeats itself, we'll see more posts from "Wendy."
I love Marvin The Martian I am totally obsessed with him. I would marry him if i could but i would have to become a cartoon for that or he could become real anyways good site need more pics and wavs and stuff but it's awesome!!!!!!!
Laurie <laurie.gault@webtech.on.ca>
USA - Monday, June 07, 1999 at 19:52:11 (EDT) from 207.164.39.209
MARVIN THE MARTIAN IS THE ONLY CHARECTER GOOD ENOUGH TO BEA LOONEY TUNE THANK GOD FOR H
maggie miranda <MMVENUS@AOL.COM>
EL PASO, TX USA - Sunday, June 06, 1999 at 19:01:20 (EDT) from spider-wc031.proxy.aol.com
I just have one comment on your abortion information. If you state that something is a fact, don't make it so fucking bias! Pro-choice is not as bad as your so called "facts" make it to be. Abortion is necessary. If you were raped and became pregnant, would you have the baby of the man who traumatized your entire life, i hardly think so. You need to stop the fucking left winged liberal hypocricy and start thinking about the facts of life, abortion is a reality and will be for a long time.
Jordan Weimersheimer <JKnight@aol.com>
Louisville, KY USA - Sunday, June 06, 1999 at 17:55:44 (EDT) from spider-to081.proxy.aol.com
Such nice language! Such tolerance! Jordan just sounds sooo "pro-woman"....
Speck: Whaddaya mean Kevorkian is dead, now you can't choose when to die. Gimme a break. A gun is a very humane, fast and easy way to kill yourself. Only problem is that if you don't set things up right, there will be a mess to clean up. Also, there are plenty of poisonous plants around if you want to go out by using drugs. Or you can stock up on your own prescription medications. You certainly do not need to pollute the practice of medicine, which should be to help patients, not to kill them. Physician assisted suicide is a violation of the Hippocratic oath, as is their involvment in abortion. Involving medical practitioners in the killing practices degrades our confidence and trust in them, and this degrades their ability to heal. Not only that, assisted suicide, you will learn by looking at Oregon medicaid and some of their insurance plans, is the ultimate cost containment practice. You may have to be killed before you are 'ready'....
Hoosier Pharmer
USA - Saturday, June 05, 1999 at 23:47:21 (EDT) from web-proxy.one.net
The biggest question in the abortion debate is usually: is the fetus a life? Well, of course it is--but so are cockroaches, cattle and bacteria. The questions should rather be: (1) what qualities possessed by humans make them morally special? (2) does the fetus possess these qualities? Only by answering these can we know for sure whether abortion is moral or immoral. My site (www.iei.net/~burkey) contains an article on just these questions.
J. Burke <j_s_burke@hotmail.com>
Somewhere, IN USA - Saturday, June 05, 1999 at 18:42:16 (EDT) from 32.indianapolis-01-02rs.in.dial-access.att.net
Youre site kicks arse!
Dave Fox <dave@foxy77.swinternet.co.uk>
Oldham, Greater Manchester England - Saturday, June 05, 1999 at 11:03:12 (EDT) from webcache06b.cache.pol.co.uk
Speck, where do I begin???

First while nobody gets a choice about BEING CONCEIVED, they should, once in physical existence, have one about STAYING ALIVE. Nobody should have a right to kill another. The parents can prevent a persons birth by NOT GETTING PREGNANT.

You confuse this with childbirth. You then rationalize abortion, giving the usual prochoice copout lines. They are all based on self serving personal irresponsibility, and nothing more, and are not the fault of babies. Better solutions that do not excuse perps are preferable. Who are you to judge whether a person is better of dead on *their* behalf? Isnt that choosing for another so where is the choice in that for the victim baby?

Finally, another prochoice MALE. Not another one I cant take it anymore! Typical. Figures. BTW, I am male so dont accuse me of male bashing. Your words were " deprive a pregnant female and her partner"

The keywords here are: "AND her partner". This is the *rea*l reason you support abortion rights for women. So you can use them second hand by offering to pay for a quick abortion as opposed to 18 years of child support. 300 bucks beats the whole bank, eh? Men too often call abortion "an escape hatch". The rubber broke. The eternal male whine. Whine, whine, whine, whine, moan, moan, cry...violins!

Abortion harms women, often ends them up in suicides and its a shame men exist who defend it to evade their responsibility, and make such self serving excuses, regardless of how it hurts the girl, and even rationalize how its better off for her to abort, and she listens and we have one more life destroyed in abortion, not just the baby but the girl.

Be a man. Change and oppose abortions vehemently and tell ALL other men to learn from your mistakes and that they should oppose any abortion plans of their girlfriends and not to ever ask, coerce or threaten them into one, and insist on her terming. If one is a real man, that is what one does, he doesnt excuse abortion or use it as a secondary woman-killing child murdering tool to escape facing up to the diapers and formula and child support/birthing bills...

PLM
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, June 04, 1999 at 16:14:10 (EDT) from ip38.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


Good point Brenda. Also, bear in mind that the written word is a cold medium, in that I mean that voice fluctuations and body language are absent, so you can't really tell what people are trying to say. I am NOT judging Karolyn (sorry if I misspell it), and I am certainly not attacking anyone. I was wondering if she had been through it and shared a smiggion of my experience. And I do agree, however, that most people would rather live than be dead, but the point is that no one truly gets the choice to be born. Does that make more sense? Again, as I said previously, there is no right or wrong, because there are too many "what-ifs".
Speck <speckx@fcmail.com>
USA - Friday, June 04, 1999 at 15:28:06 (EDT) from tacobell.brooks.af.mil
In reponse: No, I'll admit, I didn't read much of your page. I was looking for Al Gore quotes, since the guy is such a dumbass most of the time. I came here from another Al Gore site, saw the hate mail page, and some of your responses. I can see by your response below that you are overly aggressive which is quite frequently the attitude of those against objective reasoning. If you seek to discuss or persuade people of anything, then you cannot attempt to force or even aggressively pursue your ideals onto them. People are instantly threatened for the most part when you outright disagree with them. Bear in mind, I am not submitting "hate mail" or anything of the sort. I have too many experiences in too few of years to care much about changing the world. I was merely hoping to discuss the whole "Pro-Life" vs. "Pro-Choice" debate in an intellectual manner. Have I come to the wrong place?
Speck <speckx@fcmail.com>
USA - Friday, June 04, 1999 at 15:09:50 (EDT) from tacobell.brooks.af.mil
If you'd like to debate, go here :-)
Hey, Speck, quit judging Carolyn. You've never walked in her shoes. As for adoption being worse than abortion, I really don't understand that one. Yes, there are some problems that adopted kids can have...I've heard it firsthand from them, but how many adopted people would really rather be dead than alive? They could kill themselves, if they really wanted to...but they don't. What does that say about what THEY think is worse? Don't judge the quality of adopted people's lives, much less say that the likes of them are better off dead, lest you be judged, eh?
Brenda
Waterloo, Canada - Friday, June 04, 1999 at 15:05:53 (EDT) from surfec011.sybase.com
To Hugh: Pro-choice is to imply they have the choice of having an abortion or not, based solely on person wishes. It is customary that the basis of "Pro-Lifers" is to prohibit abortions, thereby eliminating the pregnant female and her partner of an option, or choice. To you mention of giving the child the choice to live or die, truly NO ONE has the choice to live or die. We do not choose to be born, and (now that Jack Kavorkian is in jail) we do not choose to die. So in actuality, we (rarely) get to choose either way. The whole arguement of "give the child a chance to choose" is flawed in that regard. Plus, another avenue of thought on that is that if we do illegalize abortions, it will be just another example of a minority or just a group in general dictating how others MUST live their lives. It's bad enough that our laws are based on Judeo-Christian ideals. Control or protecting us from ourselves must be allowed to progress with the upmost care, or we risk entering fascism. Does this make sense? I tend to babble. :) One last thought: If two people are not prepared to have a child, then they should not engage in the act of procreation (as in my case, listed below, my love and I have learned a valuable lesson and take every precaution to *NOT* enter into the act of procreation but instead physical intimacy that is VERY protected). You can never be too safe.
Speck <speckx@fcmail.com>
USA - Friday, June 04, 1999 at 15:05:14 (EDT) from tacobell.brooks.af.mil
You seem to have a lot of negativity and anger about a lot of things. Yes, Pres. Clinton is a sleazeball, but that's what we get when we elect a "commoner" to office. Yes, abortion is the deprivation of life to a prospective person, but (forgive me if this is covered somewhere on your page, I didn't read it all) what of couples who cannot give a child a true life, or "the condom broke" (been there, done that) and what of rape? I have gone through the emotional roller-coaster of an abortion (and I'm male, yes, we can suffer too), and my fiance' and I are stronger for being there for each other. If she or I were unmoving either way, we would not be together. Pro-Life is good when it is someone else's life, but have you ever been in the situation? I was 19 years old, my fiance' 17. What kind of a life could we give a child? No chance save adoption, which is often worse than abortion. Why? She was adopted and has serious issues of feeling not wanted, or not good enough for her real parents. I guess, on the flip side of that, if she had never been born, we would not be together today. This issue is one of the many with too many facets to have an answer. The only real answer to anything is to treat others as they would be treated. Or, since you seem to like biblical references, "Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself." (No clue WHERE in the bible it says that). BTW: Great quotes from Clinton and Al "I'll be your pal" Gore. Those two are a joke on the American public.
Speck <speckx@fcmail.com>
USA - Friday, June 04, 1999 at 14:55:25 (EDT) from tacobell.brooks.af.mil
You stated, "since you seem to like biblical references" - that tells me right there that you didn't really bother to read my page, since I don't have Biblical references on my page.
Pro life rules adoption is great
katieh <iluvmostik>
bellemead, nj USA - Friday, June 04, 1999 at 14:00:59 (EDT) from 205.247.226.195
I am an avid Marvin collector myself. So I really enjoying seeing the things I have looked at today. Thanks for doing such a good job. But if anyone has an answer to this question, I would really appreciate it. I was told that Marcia was Marvin's wife?? Is this at all true??
Wendy <Breezy@Huntel.net>
Tekamah, Ne USA - Thursday, June 03, 1999 at 19:51:24 (EDT) from tekamah241.HunTel.net
Sunshine (or anyone else who cares to respond), Please forgive my ignorance but I never have understood the term 'pro choice'. If people who call themselves pro choice are not in favor of giving babies who have yet to be born a choice to live or not live then how can they say they are pro choice? Does the term mean pro choice just for myself and no one else? I know this sounds ridiculous but please understand that I am serious and would like for someone to explain this concept to me.
Hugh <hugh@correctconnect.com>
Cary, NC USA - Thursday, June 03, 1999 at 18:04:43 (EDT) from host-216-76-160-146.ath.bellsouth.net
Thank you for puting this web site together, we are big big fans. We have alot of Marvin Stuff. and would like to add pictures and what nots to the collection. thank you again. Traci and Dave
Dave Bryan and Traci Allen <skydivingtr@hotmail.com>
Brea, CA USA - Thursday, June 03, 1999 at 16:22:50 (EDT) from 207.217.46.211
QUE PASA ACERE? TU NO INTIENDE' ESPANOL?
Juan Carlo$ Quinone$ Jr.(A.K.AJ-DOGG) <juan_quinones@hotmail.com>
HAVANA, GUANTANAMO CUBA - Thursday, June 03, 1999 at 14:56:24 (EDT) from 168.221.7.9
What a site-so many diff. sides to it. While I don't agree with most of the opinons expressed (I actually came for Marvin, truth be told), I think sites such as yours are part of the on going fight to preserve free speech and "unpopular" opinion in America. I do agree there is a tendancy for Liberal America to hold hypocracy and abdication of personal responsiblity as thier Gods. I also know many people use conservatism and xianity to justify thier hatrid. But whatever forces that "control" the government (Big Business, Big Media, The Major Parties) need that wedge between the people to prevent an honest debate about the soul of this nation. Whenever I hear people don't care about the issues, or can't understand the issues--it is great to know there are people like you willing to engage, not just friends and family, but the entire world in a dialogue about what America means.
Seth Rodgers <Sethdrodgers@hotmail.com>
Champaign, il USA - Thursday, June 03, 1999 at 00:50:40 (EDT) from slip-29.prairienet.org
I love your site. If you could possibly send me some of your Marvin pics i would deeply enjoy it. Thanks. Sarah
Sarah Starsky <lilwings@webtv.net>
- Wednesday, June 02, 1999 at 21:42:50 (EDT) from proxy-317.public.rwc.webtv.net
Sushine, I sympathize with your situation, but abortion for rape or even life of the mother represents a tiny % of all abortions. Nearly all are elective and performed for less than reasonable reasons. It makes alot more sense to have laws allowing for *special exceptions* than to make abortion legal on demand thru 9 months of pregnancy as now. Why not support such laws instead of abortion on demand for any reason? That way, "valid" exceptions are accounted for, this is the view of most Americans, not as PL as someone like me but not as PC as someone like you, a compromise. Many lifers are willing to accept it even though it is a huge violation of their views. The trouble is choicersdo not wish to compromise at all, despite beginning converstations based on supposed "need" for abortion to remain legal for emrgencies. Sooner or later, as you did, the goal is ALWYS abortion on demand for any reason she sees fit. As for the child : its not responsible for its fathers crime. That doesnt make the killing less real or the child more responsible its an innocent victim. The child was also yours, not just the rapists, as the mother, doesnt that count as much? You say you support prochoice 100% all the way, which means you support it for any reason on demand, refuting your earier claim of it being neccessary for rare exceptions. So, as a choicer you are saying if a woman wishes to kill it only as its a girl, and she wanted a son, its her choice! That is the folly of prochoice...

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, June 02, 1999 at 18:42:26 (EDT) from ip152.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net


First I'd like to start off by saying that this is one of the better taken care of websites that I've been to. Now as for the content, thats rather eccletic. I understand where your coming from in terms of your beliefs on Pro-Life but here's my experience with abortion. As a young girl who was gang-raped at the tender age of twelve, I (and my doctors) really didn't see another option for me. There was a 80% chance that I would die and a 87% chance that the baby would die. As for what I felt emotionally, I didn't want a rapist child growing inside of me. Am I wrong for what I chose to do? No, because IT WAS MY CHOICE. Now, six years later as I see the fevor of the Anti-Abortion campaigns v. Pro-Abortion campaigns, I fear that a young child that may be where I was won't be allowed to CHOOSE WHAT SHE FEELS IS RIGHT. Of course the First Amendment protects your right to say what you deem necessary, but if I don't know what I would have done if the Pro-Life activists would have succeeded in making abortions illegal. I fear that I would be dead now. Thank you for a very informative website without all the Pro-Violence of others. Its good to know that there are Pro-Life people who aren't psychos. As for where I stand, thats clear. Pro-Choice all the way.
Sol <sunshine22@lycosmail.com>
Bronx, NY USA - Wednesday, June 02, 1999 at 15:52:15 (EDT) from spider-wj072.proxy.aol.com
Carolyn, Your site is very inspiring indeed. Seeing all of the accomplishments you have made in your life, really gives me hope to change mine for the better. Thanks! Darcy Bralick
Darcy Bralick <Lady5503@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, June 02, 1999 at 13:37:05 (EDT) from spider-wo083.proxy.aol.com
Carolyn, your site is Beautiful and Inspirational!! Keep up the Great work. Thanks for the Smile so early in the morning, well, its like 5:14AM here and i did enjoy looking at all your KEWL stuff. Take care, and drop me a line sometime. Peace Doc
Rich 'Doc' Grimm <Outlaw5503@aol.com>
Hagerstown, MD USA - Wednesday, June 02, 1999 at 05:27:31 (EDT) from spider-wd062.proxy.aol.com
Ok, I've signed it. Was this the right one??? :) :) :^)

*hugs*

PLM
Prolifeman <prolifeman@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, June 01, 1999 at 19:42:56 (EDT) from ip181.austin18.tx.pub-ip.psi.net