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Wendy: I feel that if a women is going to have
a child and is against Adoption, even is
she knows she can not support the kid If
abortion is illegal she will keep it and
the child will be unwhanted.
Carolyn: What evidence do you base this on? Does
this mean that you feel women are so
inept that they are unable to handle a
pregnancy unless it is perfectly
Wendy: Carolyn, Not everyone can handle
Carolyn: This is true, but we usually don't suggest that unfit parents
should kill their children.
Wendy: how about if they are 16 years
old themselves and they have parents
who abuse them . Are you goint to
tell a scared, 16 year ald teen that she
has to have the baby.
Carolyn: Is killing her child going to stop the abuse? How about not
perpetuating the climate of violence by encouraging to kill her child and
instead, get her OUT of the abusive situation?
Wendy: Even if that
ment her parents would kick her out
and she had no way of supporting
Carolyn: If a girl gave birth, and then her parents decide to kick
out, would we tell her to kill her baby so she could go back home?
Wendy: You will find nothing worse then a
Carolyn A child may be unwanted by the mother,
but the child is not unwanted by others.
Wendy: (ok so you are telling me that someone
else will support it. Ok would you????)
Carolyn: Yes, I would. Now, the next question usually is, "Well then
why haven't you adopted any kids?!" Due to the number of married couples
right now who are on waiting lists for children, single women such as
myself would not have much chance of adopting. I did though, offer to take
care of my friend's child when she was pregnant if she chose not to abort
(I guess some people would say I was bribing
her though). She declined
my offer, and later on, said that I made things worse for her, and she now
hates me. (her words, not mine - and a note to that person, on the .005% chance
that she ever sees or reads this -- I am so sorry. I really thought what I
was doing would help, not hurt you.) Do you know of any women with
unwanted pregnancies? I know numerous couples who want to adopt, so please let me know if you do
Carolyn: NOTHING is worse than an unwanted child?! So, murderers and rapist who
were WANTED children are better than
uwanted children?! If unwanted children
are better off dead, what happens if the
mother doesn't want the child AFTER she
Wendy: <- This is when adoption comes in!
Carolyn: Then why isn't adoption an option for those who have not yet
given birth? Adoption only works if the woman decides she doesn't want the
child AFTER she gives birth?
Wendy: and that is what will happen if abotion
is illgeal. If the goverment said it was
killing a child then why did they make
Carolyn: The Supreme Court made an erroneous
decision by deciding that there was an
implied right to privacy in the
Constitution, which overrode a human's
right to life. In other words, privacy
is more important than life, in the eyes
of the court.
Wendy: I hate to tell you this
but this has nothing to to with killing.
Carolyn: I hate to tell you this, but even most of the pro-choicers and
doctors I know admit that abortion kills something. Whether they believe
it is a human being killed, or a person with rights which override the
woman's right to abort, is another matter.
Wendy: I never sat down and figured tou if it
was killing or not. It could be but on
the other hand it might not be. All
we are trying to do is make Health care
Carolyn: You don't know if abortion is killing or not? What then does
abortion do, if it doesn't kill
something? Health care? If abortion is health care, then why is it not
treated as such -- meaning, why aren't rules for every single other health
care practice applied to abortion, such as parental notification?
Wendy: Prevent back alley abortions now you
call yourself pro-life but imagine
this, you know a young girl who is in
trouble and abortion is illegal. So
she has a back alley abortion aka COAT
HANGER abortion then she dies because
Carolyn: Just like women die NOW from legal abortions. More women die
from abortion than when it was illegal. The reduction in abortion related
deaths was due primarily to antibiotics, not legalization. No one wants
to be so desperate that they feel their only option is to hurt themselves
and kill their unborn child. However, telling women that NOTHING is ever
worse than having an "unwanted" child, and that young women with unplanned
pregnancies always make terrible mothers feeds into such desperation. We
should help support the women in crisis situations (of course, when people
do help, they get accused of bribing
the woman!), not tell them to kill
their unborn children. In what other personal crisis situation (other than
self-defense) do we suggest that the answer lies in killing someone
Wendy: Remember, abortion is illgegal
do you still consider you self pro-life
a young girl died. Yes a few die of
legal abortions... and that is sad and
I feel for them but more will die of
Carolyn: What evidence do you have to support this? The statistics I
have seen show more deaths from abortion now than prior to legalization.
Of course, it is always difficult know the proper numbers. Some deaths are
covered up, and, some wind up being attributed to something besides the
abortion. Or, a girl dies from something that has nothing to do with a
abortion, and pro-choice advocates just say that she had an abortion
Wendy: One more thing for you I will not give
out my real name on the internet,
Carolyn: Did I ever say you had to?
Wendy: I will
also not give out pictures of my self so
Carolyn: Did I ever imply that you should?
Wendy: if I want to use a fake name who cares.
Don't you worry about people finding
you? Does that concern you?
Carolyn: People could "find me" whether I was on the Internet or
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