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USA - Yes I know it is Jan 25. from 68.46.174.45
Hey - CHILDREN! Guess what! Since a few stoned people (hmmm one may be named DB) have nothing much to do on the weekends so they thought they would get ridiculous here, I'm just going to close posting until Mon, Jan 24, so people can go do some yoga or something - OR WATCH THE EAGLES STOMP THE FALCONS!! GO EAGLES! E - A - G - L - E - S - EAGLES!! See you Monday - please, everyone go buy some candles and wine or something.... really. Or at least go to bed and get up and root for the Eagles :)
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watch football, Eagles USA - Sat Jan 22 19:24:30 2005 from 68.46.174.45
Oh, he's into dogs now? That's good to hear that he's given up little boys. I guess he got tired of scrubbing blood stains out of his clown suit.
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Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sat Jan 22 18:36:52 2005 from 172.166.15.240
I know what you won't do, however: Answer why Bush hasn't been charged as a war criminal ANYWHERE
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:26:09 2005 from 4.131.33.71
You're not done with me,,,,, but at least you're leaving others alone. That's a remarkable improvement
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:23:59 2005 from 4.131.33.71
I'm done with you Chuck. But I will re-post your disgusting comment every time I see you pretend to be anything other than the over ripe piece of shit that you are. I bet that'll happen a lot because you have this interesting habit of pointing the finger at other people and pretending to be against 'flaming' etc.
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USA - Sat Jan 22 18:20:11 2005 from 12.219.146.67
How do you know if Byron's been in your backyard? ---/--- Your garbage cans are knocked over and your dog has AIDS
Chuck likes to joke about AIDS to
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:17:19 2005 from 12.219.146.67
How do you know if Byron's been in your backyard? ---/--- Your garbage cans are knocked over and your dog has AIDS
Chuck says it's christian to joke about buggering animals
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:16:53 2005 from 12.219.146.67
How do you know if Byron's been in your backyard? ---/--- Your garbage cans are knocked over and your dog has AIDS
Chuck wins the prize for most utterly disgusting comment
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:15:50 2005 from 12.219.146.67
How do you know if Byron's been in your backyard? ---/--- Your garbage cans are knocked over and your dog has AIDS
I's like to debate says Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:14:24 2005 from 12.219.146.67
How do you know if Byron's been in your backyard? ---/--- Your garbage cans are knocked over and your dog has AIDS
Chuck says 'don't flame' people
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:13:56 2005 from 12.219.146.67
How do you know if Byron's been in your backyard? ---/--- Your garbage cans are knocked over and your dog has AIDS
A christian being polite
USA - Sat Jan 22 18:12:40 2005 from 12.219.146.67
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Lancaster, Alabama USA - Sat Jan 22 17:50:49 2005 from 83.102.146.162
Gosh Lothar... let me think... does anyone else do that... Hmmmmm... oh I got it! His name rhymes with Tidy John!
Joy
USA - Sat Jan 22 16:51:49 2005 from 68.113.38.11
Davimoron, if Bushie is really a "war criminable" and is guilty of breaking International Law, why don't you call the International Police and have him thrown into the International Jail?
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sat Jan 22 16:04:15 2005 from 172.166.15.240
Thanks Joy. We are in the middle of a snow storm. I was watching a reply of the CSPAN coverage of the Inauguration Protest. These people with their unprepared remarks, trying to sound heartrending, but falling flat because the impetus of a cause is absent. So shouting and screaming “free health care” and “end racism” and impeach Bush” feels like the all you can eat court buffet at the mall. Invariably you try everything that fits the plate and after awhile everything taste the same. I’ve noticed also that there is more cheering at the conclusion of remarks, from the endless line of shouting speakers, than at any point during the charade.
Lem
Jersey City, NJ USA - Sat Jan 22 15:49:49 2005 from 138.89.184.89
I don't know anyone else who does that, do you?
Lothar
USA - Sat Jan 22 15:34:55 2005 from 63.224.201.86
DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! "3 - Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted." with a little of all the rest of the Straw Man arguments thrown in... ***** That's Davie in a nutshell. Lem, for that correct answer you win a month paid vacation to......................... NEW JERSEY! (falling confetti, horns tooting, balloons flying) :o]
Joy
USA - Sat Jan 22 14:23:55 2005 from 68.113.38.11
Whatsa' matter , Davy? Your mom come in the room and catch you? You do still live with Mom, don't you? That's why you have to attack strangers on the internet, isn't it? Your Mom would beat your ass if you talked like that at home.
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 12:02:52 2005 from 4.131.37.27
How do you know if Byron's been in your backyard? ---/--- Your garbage cans are knocked over and your dog has AIDS
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:49:07 2005 from 4.131.37.27
WOW!! you let me get in two posts in a row! That means consent. You lose. Bush isn't a war criminal after all.
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:46:59 2005 from 4.131.37.27
Revelence is all revelent. I bet you know someone who thinks what you say matters. If not, keep looking, they're not here.
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:45:15 2005 from 4.131.37.27
Hey Byron, Now you're asserting that because I don't respond fast enough for you I consent? I bet you're a date raper too. When was Bush "judged by the Nuremburg principles" and by who? You? A date raper judging the President of the United States! That's rich
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:42:47 2005 from 4.131.37.27
Actually ARE you having a period Chuck? I just assumed you were a man. I mean "a man" in the sense of gender. Since I've not met you before I wouldn't know. I guess it's not relevent though (like anything else you have to say).
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USA - Sat Jan 22 11:40:00 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Watch me hynotize him, ---/--- Byron, Do NOT answer the question. Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do Not answer the question, Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do NOT answer the question. Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do Not answer the question, Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do NOT answer the question. Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do Not answer the question, Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do NOT answer the question. Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do Not answer the question, Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do NOT answer the question. Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do Not answer the question, Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do NOT answer the question. Just keep repeating stupid assertions. Do Not answer the question, Just keep repeating stupid assertions. good job. Now c'mon Davy, SPEAK!
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:38:43 2005 from 4.131.37.27
Ad hominem attacks Chuck? Your silence is consent.
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:37:33 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Bush is a war criminal as judged by the Nuremburg principles as agreed by the UN, including the US. Bush breached the UN charter, a crime, and under the Nuremburg principles is PERSONALLY accountable. And what does Chuck have to say? Nothing. Period.
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:36:29 2005 from 12.219.146.67
"Period, period!" Is THAT why you're in such a foul mood? Is it that time of the month for you? ---/--- any excuse will do, as long as you avoid the question
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:34:54 2005 from 4.131.37.27
I will Chuck. I'll keep "attacking" until you degenerates answer me, and if you never do, then I'm fine with that too because anyone reading this can see you have no answer. Bush is a war criminal and you have no answer. You support a war criminal in his murder.
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:33:32 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Principles of International Law Recognized in the Charter of the Nürnberg Tribunal and in the Judgment of the Tribunal......
Reminder for Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:31:23 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Just keep attacking, ---/--- Don't address the question
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:31:22 2005 from 4.131.37.27
Just keep attacking, ---/--- Don't address the question
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:31:22 2005 from 4.131.37.27
Sorry was this meant to be the intelligent comment or just the usual pretend-to-be-a-dumbass thing you lot employ so much? "why hasn't he been charged, anywhere on earth?" Are you saying that all war criminals are charged and anyone who isn't charged (such as Hitler for example) cannot possibly be a war criminal? I hope for your sake that was you pretending to be dumb.
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:29:22 2005 from 12.219.146.67
"period" is your argument is it Chuck? To that I respond, "Period, period!" So what have you to say now?
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:23:50 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Byron, it seems you can't read after all. ---/--- Bush is not a war criminal, period. If he was, why hasn't he been charged, anywhere on earth? This HAS been pointed out to you, but you ignored it. Then you say, no one contradicted you on it. You also claim to respond to people as they responded to you. But, in response to my polite attempts to converse with you, you attack, personally, and say nothing about the post. ---/--- For these reasons, you appear as a liar, flamer, and troll. ---/--- As I said before, "I tried to converse with you politely, sorry it didn't work out" Now, go play in your room and leave us adults to talk amoungst ourselves
Chuck
USA - Sat Jan 22 11:09:38 2005 from 4.131.37.27
In fact, your whole modus operandi (here and on other sites) consists of making a stupid/outrageous claim, then you ask a dumb question, and when people ignore your dumb question...You yell "gotcha", "I win", "I'm so much cuter and smarter than you", "Everyone but ME is ignorant", "Yippee!". It's really irritating. Do you just like being an annoying little $h!+?
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sat Jan 22 11:08:40 2005 from 172.153.109.31
Davimoron, that's nice...you just keep spouting the "war criminal" thing. Notice that only a very few ultra leftoid nuts agree with your claim. If you watched any of the inaguration of the "war criminable" Bush, you would have noticed that the Senate Dem leadership were all shaking his hand afterward and wishing him the best. In fact, most of the Senate Dems voted in favour of going to war in Iraq. In fact, the Presidential candidate for the opposition party (Senator Kerry) and his running-mate voted in favour of war in Iraq AND their only critisism of the Afghanistan operation was that enough force wasn't used. Doesn't look like very many Americans agree with your beliefs. Of course, you claim that it is because they are all stupid and ignorant. That's rather convenient for you. What political party do you belong to? Who did you and your little morose group of teenaged Goth anarchists at the coffee house want to be President? Dennis Kucinich? Howard "YEEEEAAARRRRRGH" Dean? Ralph Nader?
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Cosenza, IT Italy - Sat Jan 22 10:48:48 2005 from 194.185.53.80
Should I take it as read from everyone's silence on this matter that (1) "Bush is a war criminal" has been established as a fact in this debate and (2) you're all a bunch of wusses?
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 10:40:25 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Chuck? You lied. You lied when you stated, "I told you why Bush isn't a war criminal". So far among the whole lot of you only one person tried to address my claim and you certainly weren't him. But then I guess for you guys lying is honourable -- it makes you more like your lord Bush.
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 10:37:38 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Why do you like war criminals, Lem? Stawman only applies if what I said was false. You DO support Bush don't you Lem? Have you decided you don't like him after all suddenly? Is that what you're saying?
DavidByron
USA - Sat Jan 22 10:33:01 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Folks, I've shown you many of the outrageous statements that davimoron has posted on other sites. If you read the threads, even the leftwing antiwar fruits consider him to be an over-the-top wacko. In Washington, the most liberal Dem McDermott/Bonior politicians admit that the Afghanistan operation against Al Qeida and the Taliban was justifiable and successful. They even use the tired old claim of "Iraq is a distraction" from the true conflict against Al Qeida" to oppose the military operation in Iraq. Davimoron goes so far-out beyond the mainstream and has claimed that Al Qeida was RIGHT to attack the U.S., and that it is a sacred duty. Just READ what he has posted on other sites as well as here. It's time to face the fact that he is a crazy troll and you can just keep going back and forth, replying to his insane claims and it will get you absolutely nowhere. It is futile. If he really believes the cr@p that he's posting, it would make sense for him to move to an Islamic country and adopt their lifestyle. Why would anyone want to live in the U.S. if we are all a bunch of "terrorists and murderers" as he has claimed? Why is he wasting his time arguing with us intolerant murderous infidels when he could be strapping a TNT belt on himself and getting on an airliner to strike a blow against the Great Satan?
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Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sat Jan 22 10:12:30 2005 from 172.141.182.160
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Russia, NA USA - Sat Jan 22 7:28:21 2005 from 194.217.46.57
“Why do you like war criminals Lem?” – This is a classic example of the rethorical use of the 'straw man' technique……… Wikipedia says to 'set up a straw-man argument' is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to your opponent……..One can set up a straw man in several different ways: 1 - Present only a portion of the opponent's arguments (often a weak one), refute it, and pretend that all of their arguments have been refuted. 2 - Present the opponent's argument in weakened form, refute it, and pretend that the original has been refuted. 3 - Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted. 4 - Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute their arguments, and pretend that every argument for that position has been refuted. 5 - Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticised, and pretend that that person represents a group that the speaker is critical of……… 'the straw man' seems particularly handy at guestbook quisy board posts where brevity is a kind of unofficial score.
Lem
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Lancaster, Alabama USA - Sat Jan 22 4:00:05 2005 from 83.102.146.162
OK...I have read this statement many times...anyone care to explain: "At any rate it is a good topic for discussion but you, Nick, are so afraid of saying something outside your worldview that you cannot even bring yourself to have an opinion....whatever."
Lothar
USA - Sat Jan 22 3:17:13 2005 from 63.224.201.86
Why do you like war criminals Lem?
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USA - Sat Jan 22 1:01:44 2005 from 12.219.146.67
I think the time for diplomacy has passed. I think that's pretty clear. That's what the leaders were saying in the Azores yesterday. And we used last evening and this morning to consult broadly around the world. We did, the British did, the Spanish did. A lot of people have been talking to each other this morning and overnight, and it became clear that it would be best at this time to withdraw the resolution, and I can think of nothing that Saddam Hussein could do diplomatically. I think that time is now over. He had his chance. He's had many chances over the last 12 years, and he has blown every one of those chances. - Secretary Powell 3 days before the US liberation of Iraq.
Lem
NJ USA - Fri Jan 21 23:59:55 2005 from 141.153.236.223
Defenders of Saddam Hussein have never been in short supply, it’s like a virus. Just when you think the pestilence has passed, after WE COUGHT the sack of puss, the defenders still it comes back with a vengeance…….. No amount of mass graves, no number of un-adhered to UN resolutions – (BTW if he didn’t have any weapons why did he keep obstructing the inspectors? Oh - it doesn’t matter) No numbers of known terrorist living under the protection of Hussein’s Iraq FRESH AFTER A TERRORIST ATTACK ON OUR G@D@M SOIL, no invasion of his neighbor, no gassing of his own people seem to have been good enough for AHD (Amnesic Hussein Defenders) sufferers…….. Pray under what circumstance would we ever move in self defense? The libs don’t have an answer, Kerry didn’t – that’s why he lost; their answer is to wait until we get attacked again… Libs hate Bush because he won’t wait……… The link here may serve us to strengthen our immunity against AHD sufferers.
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NJ USA - Fri Jan 21 23:39:17 2005 from 141.153.236.223
Keep reading there Byron, you'll find it. I got faith in you.
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NY, NY USA - Fri Jan 21 23:08:52 2005 from 66.230.167.234
In Bushie's case, wouldn't he actually be a "war criminable"?
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Louisville, KY - Fri Jan 21 22:45:20 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Is this it? "Bush isn't a war criminal". Chuck that isn't an explaly be a "war criminable"?
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Louisville, KY - Fri Jan 21 22:45:20 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Is this it? "Bush isn't a war criminal". Chuck that isn't an explanation. That's just a statement of your opinion, an opinion which is idiotic and unsupportable. Do you understand the difference between a statement of opinion and an explanation Chuck? You said you told me "why". You didn't. You didn't because you couldn't.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 22:34:51 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Why is Bush not a war criminal Chuck? I can't find your answer. Does it actually exist?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 22:25:00 2005 from 12.219.146.67
"I'm happy to reply to people in the manner they see fit to talk to me." ---/--- Oh no you're not. You did no such thing when I tried to converse with you. I told you why Bush isn't a war criminal, quoted some scripture, and asked you some questions of my own back. You ignored the questions, ignored the answer about Bush, and completely missed the point with the scripture. ---/--- You are pretty well known about the 'net. Is thirst for fame what's driving you?
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 21 21:12:02 2005 from 4.225.100.168
Gee, what does the UN Charter say about its officials presiding over $21 billion oil-for-palaces scams? If you answer correctly, you could win a free Koko Anon fanclub T-shirt and a night in the UN Peacekeeping troops' quarters.
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Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 21 20:58:34 2005 from 152.163.100.138
All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Reminder for John
USA - Fri Jan 21 20:48:34 2005 from 12.219.146.67
DB - John doesn't have to 'play' dumb... he just is... Nighty night all.
Joy
USA - Fri Jan 21 20:46:14 2005 from 68.113.38.11
If I didn't know better I'd say John knew he was talking crap but is just too cowardly to admit it. But I'm sure he's just about to give us all his answer at last.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 20:44:33 2005 from 12.219.146.67
I'm still waiting for John to answer the one question I've asked him. John claimed that he could easily refute that George Bush was a war criminal and his last 20-odd posts have been spent trying to avoid telling us all why. John? John...? JOHN!!!!! I am at a loss to explain his reluctance to answer a simple question like that. Gosh it's terribly unlike him - after all he just went on at length about how he ALWAYS answers questions in a debate. Well this wasn't even really a question exactly - I'm just asking John to say what he meant when he claimed he could easily refute that George Bush was a war criminal. Who can't even back up their own over the top claims? Sure there must be another reason for why the very talkative John gets so tongue-tied on this matter. Hmm?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 20:42:39 2005 from 12.219.146.67
John, I'm worried that you don't seem to have a basic understand of the difference between right and wrong. Either that or you're just playing dumb. Most people learn the difference between right and wrong between about five and ten years old. You apparently can't tell the difference between defending yourself against someone else attacking you, and you yourself being the one to hit out at an innocent person. You talk about them as if they were the same thing. Can you really be so dense?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 20:36:57 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Joy, I don't like ad hominem attacks but John uses them all the time so I decided to turn some of his little barbs back on him. I'm happy to reply to people in the manner they see fit to talk to me.
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NY, NY USA - Fri Jan 21 20:25:27 2005 from 66.230.167.234
Talking of dumb Republicans believing all sort of lies, does anyone else apart from Vlad think the 9-11 hijackers came from Afghanistan?
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USA - Fri Jan 21 20:24:25 2005 from 12.219.146.67
John, you kill me. Your post is the perfect example of what I was saying at 12:54. All of your questions were answered, you just didn't like the answers (except we never discussed multiple wives). Sorry it took so long for me to resond...I read and reread your posts looking for this "Davi reminds me of MYSELF" post. Go reread my 12:54 post and tell me that you don't do that.
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 21 19:03:02 2005 from 63.224.201.86
What is it with you and Joy, John? Why do you want to judge her all the time? Why are you always trying to run her down? what did she ever do to you? Virtually slap your face when you tried to cyber-sex with her? I think you should leave her alone
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 21 18:37:46 2005 from 4.225.100.168
I just love it when you prove yourself wrong John. LOL Not many people are as good as you are at that. :o]
Joy
USA - Fri Jan 21 17:41:49 2005 from 68.113.38.11
A guy at work printed me out some scripture from Corinthians; 6:18, 5:1, 6:13, 7:2 (this one would be hard for Joy since she is a divorcee) 10:8, 12:21...Gal 5:19, Eph 5:3...on and on and on. But why does Jesus purposely leave out commentary concerning my question. He addresses everything else considered fornication. Perhaps two people in love, having sex, who don't have something on paper might not actually be a sin in God's eyes. At any rate it is a good topic for discussion but you, Nick, are so afraid of saying something outside your worldview that you cannot even bring yourself to have an opinion....whatever.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Fri Jan 21 16:33:09 2005 from 12.153.133.213
Please Nick...Vlad insulted me a few lines back which is why I gave it back to him. I have also made the John and Byron comparison myself a few lines back...you're a little late. I've got more humility than you ever will. As usual in comes Joy with her pithy little remarks. Also Nick, one difference between me and Byron, I always answer questions in the middle of a debate...even when I have to argue with your whole crew at once I still carry the argument to you. And I have yet to be proven wrong about; the beginning of life, Jesus denouncing extra-marital sex, among others. By the way, I saw one of ya'lls heroes Bill O'Reilly (I actually do agree with some of his stuff) going at a guy the other night with my exact China man argument (which you never answered), except he used Aborigines. He had a PHD evangelist on and left him speechless with that question. He also addressed remarriage after divorce, Joy might want to rethink that one. You never did explain how your, "Do I take the Bible literally? You bet I do!" philosophy dealt with all those guys in the Old Testament taking many wives, having sex with their sister's, so on and so on...You're such a simple little guy. Again, for the umpteenth time, show me where Jesus denounces sex between two people who are not married, in love, not hurting anyone...just do not happen to have a marriage certificate...much like the Aborigines. And yes Nick I fully understand the Bible doesn't set out to prove things, only to say what is...and I still don't know what that means exactly...care to explain oh wise one?
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Houston, Texas USA - Fri Jan 21 16:24:37 2005 from 12.153.133.213
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NY, NY USA - Fri Jan 21 16:17:43 2005 from 203.127.190.20
"Actually, you even make John look like a candidate for Mensa." THAT one made me spit out my water! Davie and John both argue the exact same way. It's quite entertaining to watch.
Joy
USA - Fri Jan 21 14:05:30 2005 from 68.113.38.11
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USA - Fri Jan 21 13:59:50 2005 from 168.103.50.187
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Mexico, Mexico - Fri Jan 21 13:45:21 2005 from 148.244.150.57
Vlad is in the right because why? He agrees with you??? I did not know YOU were the litmus test for right in this GB. I will keep that in mind. Everything makes more sense now. John...I see a lot of you in the way this guy "debates". Doesnt' answer questions, hammers a point until it's dead, insults the intelligence of those that disagree with him...condemning for having conviction.
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 21 12:54:49 2005 from 168.103.50.187
In David Byron's world America will never have the right to defend her interests or protect her allies. I am done arguing with him until he answers my questions. And btw Vlad, enjoy it right now, it is the first time you have been in the right in 3 years. You know if we had Aaron back here at least he could batter this guy into submission by sheer volume.
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Houston, Texas USA - Fri Jan 21 12:49:27 2005 from 12.153.133.213
This is a funny from Davi just a couple of posts ago. "They see half voted for Bush and characterise even those who voted against him in a poor light." *WE* are the ones characterizing the other half? Surely you jest!! I couldn't number the times I have read that I am ignorant or "blind follower" because I voted for Bush. This is the best one...when we get accused of not thinking. You don't even take time to read what is posted to you then spout...then call us ignorant.
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 21 12:49:01 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Or, let's just dicuss THIS Davibyron quote: "C'mon Aron let's face it ---- America richly deserved 9-11. America is a nation of brutal murderers and terrorists and they got a tiny tiny fraction of "blowback" from the very people they had created to terrorise the Russians, fundamentalists America created who turned on them because another of their dictators (Saddam) had attacked a third one of their dictators (Emir of Kuwait) and the US used the pretext to occupy a fourth dictator (King Fahd) who was looking like dying of old age. It's hard to think of anything with more poetic justice than getting burned by YOUR OWN TERRORISTS. And if that wasn't enough it's pretty likely the whole episode was engineered by your own government as a good excuse for invading the middle east. Can we finally quit the pretence that America is anything other than the evil empire now? Isn't the pantomime about played out here?" (Posted by DavidByron on March 26, 2003 03:14 PM) ********Talk amongst youselves.
Vlad <
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 21 12:35:07 2005 from 172.151.88.126
Davibyron, Hmmmm...let's see...just how was Saddam Hussein like a low budget Hitler? Well, he was a totalitarian dictator who brutally killed-off political opponents, invaded neighboring countries, gassed his own people, wore military uniforms with funny hats, and had a goofy-looking moustache. From all the stuff that I've read or seen about Hitler on the History Channel, I'd say that sounds like a match. Strangely, you leftoids are so busy comparing Bush/Blair/Cheney to Hitler, you've failed to notice Saddam's similarities to him. Of course, that's understandeable since your ilk still considers Koffee Anon to be a legitamate "statesman". Now, let's talk about the similarities between the UN and the League of Nations...THAT should be good.
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 21 12:27:38 2005 from 172.151.88.126
creo que el aborto es lo mas orrible que puede existir
yeni Almeida <yesenia@.univision>
denver , co USA - Fri Jan 21 11:24:41 2005 from 63.136.210.38
Carolyn: I'm sorry if you think I'm insulting the religious right but they deserve it. You associate with people of poor character. That is true of all America as far as the world is concerned now. They see half voted for Bush and characterise even those who voted against him in a poor light. It's not fair but it's what happens. In the same way although I feel positive about you yourself that doesn't make up for what the religious right as a whole is doing.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:57:59 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Carolyn: I'm surprised you are worked up over the numbers of Republicans who believed lies about 9-11. "Why do you think people would vote for Bush other than for a lie?" I guess that's my feelingso to me it comes as no surprise at all to hear that Republican voters were basically duped - most of them anyway. Only about one third or one quater of Republican voters supported Bush without believing the lies he spread. I have no idea why anyone would vote for such an evil man which is why I am here to ask this -- I guess whatever the reasons you had you just assumed that most other Republican voters felt the same way. Well that may not be true. If you beleive that Saddam attacked America on 9-11 that changes your view of the war a lot wouldn't you say? But here you go comparing Saddam to Hitler as if Saddam really did attack America the way Hitler really did attack a bunch of countries. Iraq had been at peace for 12 years when Bush decided to invade. When you compare Hitler's Germany of 1941 to Saddam's Iraq of 2003 you are suggesting that you really do beleive that Saddam was behind 9-11 after all - or somewhere at the back of your mind you think that Saddam was the one to attack someone first. That is not true and that is why Bush is the war criminal here. So please explain why you support the criminal war (in violation of the UN charter and other treaties which are US law) and the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I assume you admit that a chrisitan should only support a war in the most exceptional of circumstances and for the strongest of reasons?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:55:53 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Carolyn: see if your company will match donations. Don't be in a hurry; they have enough money immidiately but the refugees are likely to still need help for up to a year or so.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:42:46 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Double post,,,,, OOPS!
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:39:14 2005 from 12.169.49.2
I gave through the Red Cross. Do NOT give through UNICEF. They support abortion too much to get my money, not to mention how much the corrupt UN would probably waste
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:38:39 2005 from 12.169.49.2
I gave through the Red Cross. Do NOT give through UNICEF. They support abortion too much to get my money, not to mention how much the corrupt UN would probably waste
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:38:38 2005 from 12.169.49.2
If soeone posted this info before, forgive me - regarding donations for the Tsunami relief fund... is there one way to donate that is better than another - meaning, I want my donation to go to actually HELP people... you always hear of donations being used to line the pockets of those who don't need help. (oh wait, I can't donate, I'm a money grubbing Republican who hoards tons of $)
Carolyn
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:21:34 2005 from 68.46.174.45
I wonder what the big DB (DavidByron) thinks of all the Dems in Congress that backed the 'war crimminal'? How about all the brainy Democrats who voted for him? DB, you do seem to have a lot of free time to post in a forum you seem to loathe so much. And I will boldy state that I don't think Saddam was behind 9-11 and I STILL support the war in Iraq. So go ahead, DB, tell me how stupid you think I am... (my feelings will be so hurt) then explain how someone as dumb as me has managed to do the things I have done so far in my life. People like DB would have let Hitler roam wild too - I mean, after all, Hitler wasn't really bothering US, right? Hello to everyone else.... sorry to just jump in and out with just some silly posts to DB.
Carolyn
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:15:19 2005 from 68.46.174.45
Hell, I'd LOVE to debate him. ---/--- It would be different if he would debate. If he's not flaming, he's crying for someone else's posts to be deleted.
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:10:59 2005 from 12.169.49.2
I am so MAD - I just wrote a whole think regarding the stats from last week (people thinking Saddam was involved - though I do notice polls mentioning David's brain-children, the Dems, thinking the same thing!) and computer genius me (ha ha) me managed to lose it all. Grr. Guess I will have to re-write - thank you for posting the links David that I asked for, and if I seem irritated at you... it is because honestly, I find you rather insulting and rude. Just because you haven't said something to me personally doesn't mean I don't find your posts rude and inflammatory. Basically, when you call right-wing Christians moronic, evil people, you ARE insulting me and my family. I would love to have David debate someone like my mom - she's basically a genius. Funny though... she's Republican... thought we were all morons....
Carolyn (I'm a little more blunt these days)
USA - Fri Jan 21 9:05:49 2005 from 68.46.174.45
Davibyron, if you're really so damned smart, then Baghdad Bob must be the Nathan Hale of our age. Actually, you even make John look like a candidate for Mensa. The intragallactic portal to your alternative universe is now open. So, go back to Bizarro World where you belong.
Vlad <vlad@nottheleastbitsorry.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 21 8:01:51 2005 from 172.154.121.219
Hey, this is a really good one: "C'mon Aron let's face it ---- America richly deserved 9-11. America is a nation of brutal murderers and terrorists and they got a tiny tiny fraction of "blowback" from the very people they had created to terrorise the Russians, fundamentalists America created who turned on them because another of their dictators (Saddam) had attacked a third one of their dictators (Emir of Kuwait) and the US used the pretext to occupy a fourth dictator (King Fahd) who was looking like dying of old age. It's hard to think of anything with more poetic justice than getting burned by YOUR OWN TERRORISTS. And if that wasn't enough it's pretty likely the whole episode was engineered by your own government as a good excuse for invading the middle east. Can we finally quit the pretence that America is anything other than the evil empire now? Isn't the pantomime about played out here?" (Posted by DavidByron on March 26, 2003 03:14 PM) Holy moral equivalence, Batman! I guess that means that supplying weapons and supplies to insurgents who are fighting against the Red Army (armed trained adult fighting-men) is just as evil as intentionally killing unarmed civilian airplane passengers and people in buildings. Again, I don't recall the Afghan Mujahedin ever hijacking some Aeroflot Liners and flying them into the Kremlin.
Vlad (click here...Oooh, It's a good one) <vlad@notonedamnbitsorry.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 21 7:51:49 2005 from 172.154.121.219
Davidbyron, the idea that you are so much smarter than anyone else is the height of self-indulgent delusion on your part. I guess that your parents could be to blame if they had dropped you on your head when you were young or deprived you of oxygen. I like this little tidbit of yours, which you posted on another site: "Under international law the Afghan occupation was an aggressive war no different than Hitler's invasion of Poland. If you have anything to say to support the idea that it was not, then I'd love to hear it. As for whether it is immoral or not, well that is a little more subjective. You may be right about most American's thinking it was ok to go and kill people who had NEVER done anything to hurt or harm America - because American society is conditioned to be unusually violent and amoral, not to mention patirotic and trusting of its leaders foreign policy." (Posted by DavidByron on November 15, 2002 01:18 PM) Unless you can show where a group of militant Poles had hijacked some Lufthansa airliners and flew them into some buildings in Berlin back in the 1930s, then your analogy is extremely flawed.
Vlad (click for link to more davibyron ramblings) <vlad@notverysorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 21 7:40:18 2005 from 172.154.121.219
What makes me smarter than you John? I don't know, maybe my parents. What makes me better than you? My principles. I don't support a war criminal responsible for murdering thousands of people. However I have to say it doesn't take a hell of a lot of intelligence to know Bush is a war criminal - it's a very simple concept, like stealing or murder or rape. Everyone reading this knows Bush is a war criminal. You're just too pathetic to admit it. No, even though you're none too sharp I think you can understand right from wrong John. You know killing people is wrong. You don't have any principles though.
DavidByron
USA - Thu Jan 20 20:53:18 2005 from 12.219.146.67
John, if you're bored of the topic then why not conceed that you support a bloody war criminal and a mass murderer and we'll proceed? I mean if you think it's no big deal that your Furher is on Hitler's level then why are you making all this fuss about it? Again I have no problem with you saying that I hate a war criminal John. No problem at all.
DavidByron
USA - Thu Jan 20 20:46:36 2005 from 12.219.146.67
I love it Lem! The NNNN... Hey, click me for a good article on the Myths of Abortion.
Joy (click!)
USA - Thu Jan 20 16:28:52 2005 from 68.113.38.11
a Narcissistic Night of Nattering Nabobs. I think you're onto somthing Joy. I hope they behave like sore loosers.
Lem
NY USA -
Joy (click!)
USA - Thu Jan 20 16:28:52 2005 from 68.113.38.11
a Narcissistic Night of Nattering Nabobs. I think you're onto somthing Joy. I hope they behave like sore loosers.
Lem
NY USA - Thu Jan 20 16:20:39 2005 from 63.250.35.179
The liberals give up the most Narcissistic Night of Hollyweird's year??? Surely you jest!! Then they wouldn't be able to whine to the world their diatribes about how much money was spent on the inauguration of the President of the United States of America! And SpongeMike Sweatpants wouldn't be able to eat his Cheesy Fries and Ham! And greedy corporate America is making doors too small for SpongeMike to get through! It is all a conspiracy of the Saudis and the Bush Admin! ***** I guess we'll know how much the liberals REALLY care about what they claim they do... If they cancel the Awards! I won't hold my breath!
Joy
USA - Thu Jan 20 16:02:38 2005 from 68.113.38.11
This is precious: "Here's a suggestion for disgruntled Democrats who say they're concerned about the cost of President Bush's inauguration: How about convincing Hollywood to cancel the upcoming Academy Awards so they can spend the money on tsunami relief. As of now, the Academy is planning a gala ceremony Sunday, February 27, from the Kodak Theatre in Hollywood. The entire extravaganza will be televised live on ABC, beginning with a half-hour arrival segment. In a time of war in Iraq and unprecedented human suffering in Asia, do we really need to spend millions of dollars on a half-hour arrival segment? Do we really need to watch the Hollywood left praising one another for their great "accomplishments" through phony tears? The Academy could vote for the winners in each category in the usual way and the prizes could be sent via UPS to each winner. The results could be posted on the Academy's Web site. The price of Michael Moore's Oscar night dinner alone would likely feed an entire Indonesian village for a week. Meanwhile, the rest of America could be spared another night of Hollywood frivolity."
Lothar
USA - Thu Jan 20 14:49:51 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Chuck...please do keep us informed of Kerry's vote on Ms. Rice (incase I miss it). That would be funny.
Lothar
USA - Thu Jan 20 14:19:06 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Hail to the thief! ********Bush Kills!******* U.S. Out of North America!
Poultricide <pcide@kerry4pre$.org>
Louisville, KY Amerikkka - Thu Jan 20 13:57:43 2005 from 205.188.116.138
Congatulations, Mr. President. Godspeed, and God Bless the U.S.A.
Chuck
USA - Thu Jan 20 13:02:28 2005 from 12.169.49.2
Congratulations Mr President G. W. Bush.
Lem
NY USA - Thu Jan 20 11:52:52 2005 from 63.250.35.179
Another song? - is this a peagent?
Lem
NY USA - Thu Jan 20 11:49:23 2005 from 63.250.35.179
Chainy has now chaimed in the oath,,,,, Haster boched it!
Lem
NY USA - Thu Jan 20 11:47:03 2005 from 63.250.35.179
the fat lady has sung.... but wait it's not over!
Lem
NY USA - Thu Jan 20 11:43:08 2005 from 63.250.35.179
Renquist has arrived at the podium..., Renquist is in the podium!
Lem
NY USA - Thu Jan 20 11:40:07 2005 from 63.250.35.179
Is this guy French? Because this line, "I will now laugh at you again. Ha-ha, ha-ha", oddly reminds me of a Monty Python skit from the "Holy Grail". Am I going to get a thumb-nosing comment, or something about hamster's and elderberries directed at me in his next column?
John
Houston, Texas USA - Thu Jan 20 9:45:01 2005 from 12.40.28.151
Oh yeah...your little peace loving friends the French, were in Vietnam before we were Byron.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Thu Jan 20 9:38:24 2005 from 12.40.28.151
David Byron, if you think trying to pull people into your simple, little, "Bush as a war criminal: Yes or No?” means you have a complete argument, or that anyone who doesn’t buy into this narrow Bush-hating vehicle you have invented, is beneath your intelligence, you are sadly mistaken my friend. You never did even attempt to address one thing I brought up. I want you to name a President that you agree with all military decisions made under that particular administration. Sudan? Panama? Beirut? Haiti? Libyan planes in 89? Libyan bombing in 86? The attempt to rescue the hostages in 80? Invasion of Vietnam after the Gulf of Tonkin? Bay of Pigs? Korea? Are you going to call every American President a war criminal Byron, or is it just Bush you don’t like? As long as your argument is specifically directed at Bush it will only look like you are a Bush hater. Again, that is why you are in the minority.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Thu Jan 20 9:35:24 2005 from 12.40.28.151
Please do not think that our fine city is inhabited by scummy lowlife guestbook spammers. These idiots who post these dumb messages on your guestbook are imposters and not citizens of our community or associated with us in any way at all. We are a sprawling Suburban city located in the Heart of Alabama. Situated just 17 Miles south of Downtown Birmingham, Alabaster is a convenient place to do business and a wonderful place to raise a family. The city of Alabaster is committed to a safe, healthy and wholesome environment for family living. Alabaster has experienced remarkable growth over the last ten years with a growth rate of well over 60 percent. Those rates figure to continue to make Alabaster one of the states largest cities and also one of its fastest growing. We do not encourage spam messages in any way. Alabaster also serves as the home to the County’s only Hospital in Shelby Baptist Medical Center. Shelby Baptist serves not only Shelby, but both Bibb and Chilton counties. Alabaster has many things to offer residents and business alike. Please do not get the idea that these morons are representative of our community.
Hon. David Frings (Mayor) <mayordavef@cittyofalibaster.gov>
Alabaster, Alabama USA - Thu Jan 20 7:57:05 2005 from 152.163.100.137
John Kerry voted in committee against approving Condi. Anyone want to bet he votes FOR her on the Senate floor? ---/--- (I voted against her before I voted for her)
Chuck
USA - Thu Jan 20 7:12:30 2005 from 12.169.49.2
The story you will not find in tomorrows newspapers....... Former KKK clansman Senator Bird holds up the vote on the first black woman to be the United States Secretary of State.
Lem (link)
NJ USA - Thu Jan 20 0:58:37 2005 from 151.198.6.225
Your remark about Kuwait provoking Iraq into war back in 1990 was even more stupid than your usual tripe. The only way that Kuwaitis would willingly start a war with anyone is if they could find a way to pay Filipinos to do all the fighting. Hussein invaded because he thought that he could get away with it. As usual, he miscalculated. His miscalculations are why he's currently in a jail cell instead of in one of his Tikrit palaces or in exile in France. After reading many of your posts on other sites, I've come to the conclusion that you are a refugee from Bizzaroworld. We already know how much you love Saddam, so tell us more about Kim Jong IL. That should be interesting.
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Wed Jan 19 23:12:16 2005 from 172.156.51.27
DB, where did you refute anything that Adam posted? You basically apologized that you missed his post and then tried to blame it on spam and me, rather than your own inattention. I hadn't even posted since a previous day before Poultricide left you that love note. You just keep repeating your bunk about Bush "violating international law". Well, goody for you...why don't you call the international police and have him thrown in the international jail?
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Wed Jan 19 23:02:39 2005 from 172.156.51.27
Sorry John, once again, that was not actually an argument. I will now laugh at you again. Ha-ha, ha-ha. Look John, it's pretty obvious that you can't think of a damn thing to say so I suggest that you shut up and let Adam fight your battle for you -- he's making comments I have to actually refute.
DvaidByron
USA - Wed Jan 19 22:07:08 2005 from 12.219.146.67
So what makes you so smart? You didn’t answer any of my questions. You get so focused on a technicality that you cannot see the bigger issue. The fallacy of your argument is the fact that you cannot debate anything else except that one technicality. A technicality the majority of Americans could care less about as witnessed by the election. You lost the election, you lost seats in the House and Senate, and your argument is a loser. Your language is pathetic and you are a loser. All in all, David Byron, I would say you get so lost in the letter of the law, you forget the spirit of the law, to protect innocent lives here and abroad. Thank God you are in the minority.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Wed Jan 19 13:01:38 2005 from 12.40.29.148
well if we see it why not be happy with in.....just be shure your in good condition and you may know what's on about us may we not leave like a rotten flesh and abandond kind may we respect each other because life we know is not just serious , contagious or suberlous may we find love and give right treat to one another may we stay our self in good conditions and love OUR self and also our one of a kind neighbours.
ry robles <ry_r_robles@email.com>
rowbles, rr Reunion - Wed Jan 19 10:33:48 2005 from 210.56.65.3
You guys are all idiots. I'm the only one with any brains at all. When will you learn? BTW, I really live in Camden NJ
DavidByron <Stupid@idiotsRus.com>
USA - Wed Jan 19 8:48:56 2005 from 12.169.49.2
The failure to get a specific authorisation for the Iraq war was quite a problem for Tony Blair of course. Blair had actual admited the war would be illegal without such an authorisation - and promised not to go to war without it - before he learned that he wasn't going to get one. After the failure this cover story about the 1991 authorisation was cooked up for Blair's benefit - Bush didn't really care because he figured Americans wouldn't care about UN stuff and wouldn't realise that the UN charter was US law.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 18:02:29 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Adam: I am sorry that I didn't see your 1991 authorisation argument before. There was a lot of spam and flak from Vlad so I probably just missed it.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:55:54 2005 from 12.219.146.67
John are you shitting me? You really don't know if the US is a member of the UN or not?
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:54:15 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Adam your arguemnt is not sane. It is propaganda, ok? Bushco made it up to sell it to idiots who know nothing. It isn't meant to be used in a real argument. Read the UN charter. It doesn't say anything about wars or cease fires. It says "use of force". Your argument depends on the obviously absurd idea that a resolution in 1991 can be used to authorise a completely different situation in 2003 simply on the basis of geographic similarity (both involve Iraq). The authorisation in 1991 was specific and ended over ten years ago. If your argument was taken seriously it would mean anyone could invade Iraq even now. But that's absurd. Now this is a test for you. Basically you can continue to peddle this absurdity - as a Republican loyalist - or you can admit that this argument is bulshit on its face; propaganda based on the idea that someone who is clueless might think the UN charter says something like "it's ok to go to war if someone breaks a peace agreement". It doesn't. That's tough isn't it? No exception for broken peace treaty. No excuses ever. Use of force is always illegal unless there's a specific authorisation -- which as you know BUSH TRIED AND FAILED TO GET in 2002 and 2003. And just in passing? The US breached the peace pact first and in a far more major way than Iraq. Newsflash Adam: Saddam WASN'T LYING ABOUT THE WEAPONS. So he didn't breach the terms of the peace agreeement did he? But the US was BOMBING IRAQ FOR FIVE YEARS since 1998. Do you think that breaches a peace agreement Adam?
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:52:37 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Ok, folks...show's over...time to go home. Byron...Boom, der it is brutha.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:51:32 2005 from 12.40.27.64
Can you name one President you voted for, and agree with every military move made under their administration Byron? Cry baby lib? c'mon, humor me, name some President's.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:50:10 2005 from 12.40.27.64
Cry baby, cry baby liberal, suck your thumb...all the way to...France?!?
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:47:36 2005 from 12.40.27.64
Which begs the question: Why are we even a member of the UN? Got me...I suppose because of a lack of a viable alternative? You never did answer the Ivory Coast question Byron? Greneda? Congressional approval for Iraq? Do you have any idea what you are quoting Byron?
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:45:45 2005 from 12.40.27.64
John I just messed with you because you were idiot enough to call me a crybaby liberal as if that was an argument or something. Now behave if you don't want to become another Vlad. You can insult me all you like as long as you say something woirthwhile as well. How about getting to that? The UN CHARTER is a legal document not a body. It's not biased. It just is. It just is US law.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:43:35 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Adam, there was no UN mandate to invade Iraq. This is probably worth being clear about. You probably are NOT really pretending thewre was are you? All you mean is that the UN had some resolutions about Iraq. There was no UN SC resolution supporting the use of force against Iraq.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:41:26 2005 from 12.219.146.67
You're funny. Geez you're intense (kind of remind me of me). The UN is, and never will be, an impartial judge or jury, merely by the competing facts I have just described. One's man war criminal...another man's President for a second term (that it what I meant by majority Byron) Are you reading this or just sounding off.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:40:03 2005 from 12.40.27.64
Yes John, everyone hates you. ppor dear. Now can you answer the question or are you going.... oh no here we go again. PLEASE try to stop crying John. Ok, ok... let's pretend people like you. Feel better now? Let's pretend people think you're right. Cheer up! NOW can you answer the question John?
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:38:39 2005 from 12.219.146.67
David: What I wrote was that Bush's actions were in concert with the UN mandate, which by your standard, does not make Bush a war criminal. Now, you post that I am admitting Bush is a war criminal. This is not reasonable on your part. I also posted that the UN authorized force in the 1991 gulf war and that a cease fire based on that war was put in place and that Saddam was in continuous violation of that cease fire. These facts are not in dispute. Yet you dispute them. either way, there is no point in replying to a post of mine and just saying, "that's false," "that's false," "that's false." You have to make an argument. What is false in the following: the UN authorized force against Saddam in 1991, he signed a cease fire that he continuously violated and that -- by that standard -- Bush was upholding the UN resolutions by removing him from power. You must dispute my facts in some way. To simply say, "That's false" and not back it up is infantile. At any rate, I will be off line for about a week but if you feel like actually making a reasonable reply, be my guest and I'll read it in about a week.
Adam
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:37:40 2005 from 64.236.245.243
My but you are an intense one, aren't you? Worldwide opinion is anti-American in base. Everyone knows that it has little to do with Iraq and more to do with competition from the EU. We have been winning in the free market for so long that now they feel we are vulnerable because of the war. This too will pass. We do what we do because it is right, not because the Frogs let us do it.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:36:28 2005 from 12.40.27.64
I'm sorry John I didn't quite hear you over the sobbing noise you're making. Could you repeat why you think Bush isn't a war criminal? Here's a hanky. Dry your eyes. That's it dear. There, there. Just breath....
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:35:43 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Waiting for John to tell us all why Bush isn't a war criminal......
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:33:03 2005 from 12.219.146.67
By the way worldwide my opinion is generally held- I did mention the UN secretary general. In other words you are the one in the minority -- you're just too stupid to realise it. Fortunately for you I don't think that "lots of people agree with me" is a good argument so I won't be using it. I will however by laughing at you because you tried to use it. Ha ha ha.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:32:01 2005 from 12.219.146.67
I've got a question for you Mr. Vulgarity (yeah that makes you seem like an intellectual). What President's do you agree with in recent history. Go back a 100 years for that matter. I can name a bunch in both parties that have initiated a military response to meet a threat. Or do you just enjoy bashing America?
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:30:35 2005 from 12.40.27.64
On the contrary no one here has suggesting anything wrong with what I've said. You just don't like it. Are YOU going to cry John? You're looking prety pathetic right about now. What happened to my being obviously wrong? If it's so obvious why I'm wrong you must be really shit at arguing.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:29:08 2005 from 12.219.146.67
I don't recall anyone saying the US left the UN recently John. I don't recall anyone "unsigning" the UN charter. It's not the only treaty banning war of course, just the most high profile. So why don't you admit you support a war criminal in the act of mass murder John? I think being honest with yourself would be a good first step don't you?
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:27:15 2005 from 12.219.146.67
It seems the majority doesn't agree with you Byron. You're not going to start crying next are you? I just don't think I can handle any more crying liberals.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:26:09 2005 from 12.40.27.64
John? It's a treaty. It is US law dumbass. Now does this mean you conceed the president is a war criminal -- by US and international law?
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:24:35 2005 from 12.219.146.67
So John - do you know what the word is for someone who kills thousands of people in the course of a criminal act? "mass murderer". Did you vote for a mass murderer John? Are you supporting the act of mass murder? What would jesus do, hmm? C'mon and tell me why christianity means breaking the law and murdering people by the tens of thousand John. I'm waiting.
DvaidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:23:10 2005 from 12.219.146.67
The UN??!!?? Oh, you mean the biggest political body ever created in the history of political bodies? Where are the laws that protect covert operations Byron?? Where are they? When do we defend ourselves Byron?? When Saddam gets bold enough to send his mighty armies over here to invade our shores?? Under what pretext is war an option Byron? Ever? did you see 9/11?? Was that an army Byron? Was it an organized military as expressed in UN charters?? They are re-writing the rules Byron. So are we Byron.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:20:07 2005 from 12.40.27.64
I'm waiting for this incredible piece of logic that will show Bush never used force against Iraq, John.
DvaidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:19:45 2005 from 12.219.146.67
All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Link
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:16:26 2005 from 12.219.146.67
All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:15:46 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Do you have areading problem John? Shall I post the link to the UN charter again? You have no right to wage a war of aggression. The use opf force is outlawed. Those guilty are war criminals. If you have a point to make on this matter can you get on and make it without all the chest thumping? I'm waiting.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:14:36 2005 from 12.219.146.67
John...you need more soul. Try "Boom DEH it is".
Lothar
USA - Tue Jan 18 17:12:20 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Kofi is a brainwashed, pseudo-European, ineffective, bleeding-heart, anti-American, risk the lives of everyone, crooked, dealing with a new age Hitler, dreamer. I don’t know what the glitches were about on that last one??
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 17:12:19 2005 from 12.40.27.64
Byron, every President has not only the right, but the duty to act to protect the American people. Why is it we get along just fine with peaceful nations and do not send in the CIA to undermine their governments? Because they pose no threat. If you are a big enough idiot to believe we can just sit here while Arab terrorists pick apart our great cities then why don¡¦t you just pack your bags and move to France? Or Spain? The wars of the future will not be directed toward America in a traditional manner because if they were it would turn out to be the biggest suicide mission ever. We can choose to continue fighting wars covertly, like they do, or we can come right out and draw our line in the sand (just for you Vladƒº). It is people like you that get people killed¡Kinnocent people like women and children, not soldiers. Wake up man¡Kwe are exactly where we need to be¡Kdead center in the Middle East sending a message, ¡§go ahead and try to attack us, but if you do we are in your back yard!¡¨ Every American should not be so worried that we are creating more terrorism, they should be concerned we are moving into countries to find out if there is, or is not, a capability to give suicidal people the means to devastate our country. Fool.
John
Boom, There it is USA - Tue Jan 18 17:03:34 2005 from 12.40.27.64
John, I was a commentator on the RightGrrls boards from about six or seven years ago. I wanted to see if I could find any still posting -- although it seems as if basically they don't, the site's semi shutdown and all that's left is this guestbook (if you look back many years you can find some comments I left here back then I suppose) and a couple of loonies. I can see why even Carolyn doesn't post here.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 16:57:03 2005 from 12.219.146.67
John if you thought I was wrong about Bush you'd have explained why. It's very simple. The law says that you cannot use force against another country. Bush broke the law and he is a war criminal. He's a war criminal in exactly the same way Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler is/were. If you have anything to say in contradiction of this simple observation -- as stated by the UN secretary general no less -- please make it known.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 16:53:06 2005 from 12.219.146.67
What, what would you say you do here? ……….. w well look, I already told you. I deal with the god dam customers so that the engineers don’t have to. I have people’s skills; I am good at dealing with people!! Can’t you understand it? What the hell is wrong with you people?! - from Office Space (the movie)
Lem (link)
Pearl River, NY USA - Tue Jan 18 16:50:26 2005 from 63.250.35.179
Adam your "support" is an indictment. You basically just admited that the president acted criminally. You admit he used force and therefore broke the UN charter - therefore is a war criminal just as the secretary general has confirmed. You say, "he did it in line with UN authority" which is false. You say, "he had more UN authority than the world normally asks for" which is false. You then say Bush is no worse than Saddam Hussein was when he invaded Kuwait. That's also false. Kuwait had made acts of war against Iraq. That's not a legal excuse but it makes Bush a worse war criminal than Saddam Hussein. But it's all irrelevent anyway. I didn't ask if you thought Bush's war crimes were justified.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 16:49:58 2005 from 12.219.146.67
What you might not be catching (I didn't for a while) is that someone did a Google search of "DavidByron". If you do so, you will find the posts from earlier on those sites. All's that was done was HIS words were used from other sites and posted here. Giving the people in the GB a glimpse of what we were dealing with. Those are all his words.
Lothar
USA - Tue Jan 18 16:33:30 2005 from 168.103.50.187
At least I throw something serious in every once in a while. How do you guys even know DB is not some version of Poo anyway. Is there something I'm not aware of?
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 16:30:21 2005 from 12.40.27.64
"I just do not care for Vlad making a mockery of every single thing he doesn't agree with on this site." John...I'm all for you, but don't think you're not guilty of this one (not saying I'm not). Vulgarity, no...I'll give you that.
Lothar
USA - Tue Jan 18 16:18:09 2005 from 168.103.50.187
I'll draw the lines here
Lines by John
USA - Tue Jan 18 16:09:54 2005 from 12.169.49.2
DB, I am not sticking up for you. You are vulgar as well, and you are totally wrong about Bush and the war. I just do not care for Vlad making a mockery of every single thing he doesn't agree with on this site. Pretending to be someone else is over the line. Byron, why don't you just go home and thank God and the President you haven't been dirty-bombed into oblivion.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 15:30:04 2005 from 12.40.27.64
Just want to thank you for this nice website that you have created for The Princess of Wales. She deserve it. She was a wonderful lady, I have a lot of respect for her. She was cute, fragile, full of attention and love, she was a good listener, and she was also close to the public which is rare in the Royal Family. Good Job! Keep on going this way with this website.
Marie
Canada - Tue Jan 18 14:58:30 2005 from 69.70.59.80
Yes David, the President used force and he did it in line with UN authority. Certainly he had more UN authority than the world normally asks for. Chirac had no UN mandate to invade the Ivory Coast. Clinton had no UN mandate to attack Kosovo. Thatcher had no UN mandate to invade the Falklands. There are many more such examples. On the other hand, Bush had 12 years and 14 resolutions backing him up on Iraq. Saddam signed a cease fire (not a peace treaty) in the UN authorized 1991 Gulf war. Saddam -- by all measures -- spent 12 years violating it and all the follow up UN resolutions. According to the cease fire, this put the 1991 war back in force. Sorry, the war criminal charge against Bush is infantile. But, just as you have every right to waste your time, you have every right to be infantile.
Adam
USA - Tue Jan 18 13:49:46 2005 from 64.236.245.243
Right John, I am so stupid that I can't understand Vlad's jokes. Thank you for sticking up for me.
DavidByron
USA - Tue Jan 18 13:33:35 2005 from 12.169.49.2
Vlad, using fake names and pretending to be someone else here should get you kicked out. You have never been "witty", you have always been vulgar. You know nothing about pro-life or religion. Use condoms people.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Tue Jan 18 8:06:46 2005 from 12.40.27.64
Sorry, the "Stalin apologist" link wasn't correct. This one is.
Lothar
USA - Mon Jan 17 22:08:05 2005 from 168.103.50.187
This HAS to prove something...caption, picture, language...I dunno.
Lothar
USA - Mon Jan 17 22:06:52 2005 from 168.103.50.187
"Stalin apologist"....classic.
Lothar
USA - Mon Jan 17 22:02:21 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Vlad...did you see this one??? "In this view of the world Al-Qaeda had a perfect moral right, indeed a duty to kill Americans, and the US has no interest in revenge unless it is otherwise profitable. The reasons for invading Iraq and killing millions are simply that it might benefit American elites."
Lothar
USA - Mon Jan 17 21:58:35 2005 from 168.103.50.187
DavidByron, you don't want MY posts to be deleted? I'm on YOUR side. Why don't you answer any of my emails? I can travel to Alabaster, Alabama and if we were to get together, I'm sure that we would hit it off. I will buy you lunch at Chic Fil-e and then take you shopping to buy you a chicken suit. We can go to my place, I have a neat gameroom in my cellar and a poodle named "Precious". Remember..."It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."
Poultricide <pcide@kerry4pre$.org>
Louisville, KY - Mon Jan 17 21:13:25 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Carolyn, will you delete everyone's posts but mine? I'm the only one who should be allowed to post because the other posters here make me whine. Please?
DavidByron
USA - Mon Jan 17 16:55:06 2005 from 4.225.99.43
This is a very nice website. Good Information. Thank you for the good work.
Valdis <valdis@gawab.com>
Prague, Czech - Mon Jan 17 14:09:33 2005 from 66.55.144.46
Oh, Chief Og is right. I bought his cookbook and am very pleased with it. Once you learn his killing-cleaning-preparation-seasoning-and cooking techniques you will be able to take a useless malicious marketing-moron and turn it into a delicous five-course gourmet dinner fit for a king (or a doctor, at least). May favorite dish is the GB Spammer Cavatelli. For a more continental flair, there is Spammer à la borguignonne. The only shortcoming of Chief Og's culinary tome is the lack of recipes for sweetbreads or organ meats (my personal favorite). There's nothing like a GB Spammer's liver lightly sauteed and served with fava beans and a nice Chianti...ssvsssppsttssspt. Census-takers only come around every ten years, so it's well worth a trip to Alabaster, Alabama to abduct a few and fill one's freezer with the choicest cuts. I highly recommend Chief Og's Guestbook Spammer Recipe book.
Dr. Hannibal Lector <thedoktor@foodnetwork.com>
St. Thomas, USVI - Mon Jan 17 10:25:31 2005 from 172.130.238.79
Many people think guestbook spammers are good for nothing lowlife scum who leave idiot mispelled cryptic messages on guestbooks. However, if well-cleaned and properly prepared, guestbook spammers can be an excellent savory meal for your entire family. Buy my recipes online and find out how. Just give it a try. Cannibalism not wrong. If the Great Joojoo had not meant for us to eat these people, he wouldn't have made them of meat. Feed family nutricious meal and get rid of public nuissance at the same time. Feed what's left over to dogs. Try my spammer recipes. After tasting, if you still feel guilty about it, I'll dig a grave and you can throwup into it. Plus, money-back guarantee. Buy my cookbook. As seen on TV.
Chief Og <cannibalchef@foodnetwork.com>
Pago Pago, New Guinea - Mon Jan 17 10:03:29 2005 from 172.130.238.79
My back had an unexpected encounter of the gravitational kind with the sidewalk this morning. I fell. Its ok – no bones were broken. But as I galloped to regain some semblance of dignity, I remembered the time it happed before and the futility of it all. Luckily (I guess) the electromagnetic blow was restricted to my elbow thus keeping my cranium above the arbitrary horizontal datum. I want to say cushion – but believe me there’s nothing pillow about it. The pain quickly gave way to anger – with utterances displayed by a couple of right leg bangs to the sidewalk as if to punish it for having less than an inch of snow. Dam! leg kick – dam! leg kick. Still laying there I quickly scan the area for eyeballs, seeing none I get up and continue off the sidewalk and on to the street the rest of the way.
Lem
NY USA - Mon Jan 17 9:10:54 2005 from 63.250.35.179
The Colts were mugged by the Pat's today. Go Brady!
Lem
NJ USA - Sun Jan 16 23:37:11 2005 from 141.150.143.109
There is a map here - http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-5.pdf - (look for figure 2) that when superimposed (preferably on a light table) to the 2004 red, blue, and shades of purple to indicate percentages of voters election results here - http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/countymaplinearlarge.png - and lastly try (along with this one) to make something out of the topographical politics of shaking up here - http://www.wall-maps.com/us/Raven-us-over-f.htm ........ - The 2004 election could have been accurately predicted almost two years in advance….. Maps are a thing of beauty when you know what to look for.
Lem
Jersey City, NJ USA - Sun Jan 16 23:22:05 2005 from 141.150.143.109
Why do these WebPages with ancient, outdated stories so familiar to me?....... Where have I seen this recently? Maybe you guys, gals can help. - http://www.kultursmog.com/Life-Page01.htm and http://www.kultursmog.com/Life-Page02.htm
Lem
NJ USA - Sun Jan 16 22:17:29 2005 from 141.150.143.109
It's "ORIGAMI", you stupid spammer lowlife scum. If you are going to leave those idiotic cryptic ad-messages everywhere, at least learn how to properly spell the product that you are supposed to be peddling!
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 17:18:10 2005 from 172.168.202.102
your page rocks like nothing it talks about i have no clue
Anna Banana
mt vernon, pa usa - Sun Jan 16 16:43:21 2005 from 64.12.116.137
So, was that your post or not? I'll just leave you in your little sandbox to argue with yourself.
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 13:11:26 2005 from 152.163.100.137
He said: "America is not a race. Being anti-US when the US is murdering millions seems perfectly reasonable to me. A moral duty in fact." (DavidByron December 27, 2002 6:20pm) ...Wow, little tidbits like THAT are sure to win over those moderate undecided voters in the next election. Senator Zell Miller certainly knew what he was talking about.
Vlad (another byron quote) <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 13:08:58 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Why do you care what Jesus would think? I thought that you were an atheist.
Vlad (a link to his words) <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 13:03:35 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Do you admire Bush because he is a big liar too?
DavidByron
USA - Sun Jan 16 13:02:36 2005 from 12.219.146.67
You're a liar Vlad. You made those posts. Anyone can see that if they check the IP. You seem incapable of honesty. Why did you try to make it look like I posted it? Why are you trying to fool people? Why so dishonest? Does jesus want you to be a liar Vlad?
DavidByron
USA - Sun Jan 16 13:00:56 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Here's an example: (on Afghanistan) "The US made a criminal invasion of Afghanistan causing huge amounts of damage and therfore owes war reparations, yes. And I doubt that the US gave more than anyone else since the US is the most tight-fested donor in the western world. What are you basing this statement on? By foreign aid do you mean the proxy war that the US held in Afghanistan? I would say that is just one more reason why the US owes war reparations." (Davidbyron December 27, 2002 05:34pm)...and on Osama Bin Ladin, he says: "No the US is less moral than bin Laden because the US murders millions of people. The US has also built roads in Afghanistan, in fact I would guess they might even be the same roads. After all bin Laden was for a long time America's man." (DavidByron December 27, 2002 05:34pm). Even some of the anti-war liberals on the site think that you are an extremist nut.
Vlad (click and scroll down) <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWE Canada - Sun Jan 16 12:57:25 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Nice site!!! personalsuche
personalsuche <personalsuche@gmail.com>
Alabaster, Alabama USA - Sun Jan 16 12:47:20 2005 from 83.102.146.162
I certainly don't want YOU silenced. Your incomprehensible rantings should be right out there in the open for everyone to see. Your words speak for themselves. However, I have no doubt that if you posessed the power to permanently silence those who disagree with you; the cattle cars would be filled to capacity and rolling towards the deathcamps.
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 12:43:38 2005 from 152.163.100.137
DB, Geeeeez! All that I did was post your opinions which were posted elsewhere. They are YOUR words. Now, you are the one who is ranting, raving, and name-calling like a lunatic. You are the one who is demanding that someone else be silenced. Who's the fascist, now?
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 12:37:14 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Nope, those last two posts from early this morning are YOUR words which you made on other sites. They are very easy to find.
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 12:33:22 2005 from 152.163.100.137
You kind of represent the true character of the religious right. Stupid, arrogant, full of hate. Anti-christian; a true 'patriot'. maybe I should be talking to you instead of Carolyn and the others. They always seem far too sensible and compassionate to be representative of the evil at the heart of America.
DavidByron
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:31:07 2005 from 12.219.146.67
You're a liar Vlad. But what else would I expect from the religious right?
DavidByron
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:26:34 2005 from 12.219.146.67
It always used to amaze me that Riverbend actually beleived the American propaganda about how the US was just killing Iraqis for their own good. I guess it's because she actually thought America was telling the truth that this thing with the WMDs never showing up gets to her. See, she actually thinks that Americans care. She figures you went along with Bush's criminal invasion because you beleived his lies about WMDs. I told you she was naive. I know you lot couldn't give a shit about WMDs. You just like a good blood bath. Riverbend is "How can they support Bush now they know he lied to go to war?" and then she wonders aloud about whether Americans heard about the report just before the elections. Of course they did. You think the religious right could possibly care? Ha. You have a lot to learn about American so-called christianity Riverbend.
DavidByron
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:25:20 2005 from 12.219.146.67
DB, you made posts using mine and Lem's name. Shouldn't you be banned, too? You did it first.
Vlad <vlad@notsorryatall.org>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 12:21:04 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Vlad is a liar. Carolyn please remove Vlad's posts.
DavidByron
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:20:22 2005 from 12.219.146.67
[But she doesn't yet realise the full evil of the American right] I have another question- the article mentions a "Duelfer Report" stating the weapons never existed and all the intelligence was wrong. This report was supposedly published in October 2004. The question is this: was this report made public before the elections? Did Americans actually vote for Bush with this knowledge?
Link
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:19:39 2005 from 12.219.146.67
[Guess she's not impressed with the religious right] it's still upsetting to hear Bush's declaration that he was wrong. It's upsetting because it just confirms the worst: right-wing Americans don't care about justifying this war. They don't care about right or wrong or innocents dead and more to die. They were somewhat ahead of the game. When they saw their idiotic president wasn't going to find weapons anywhere in Iraq, they decided it would be about mass graves. It wasn't long before the very people who came to 'liberate' a sovereign country soon began burying more Iraqis in mass graves
Link
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:18:22 2005 from 12.219.146.67
DB, they are your words which I cut-and-pasted from other sites. You wouldn't answer our reasonable questions, so I merely found where you expressed your opinions in other places. So, you're not a pacifist, you think war is just fine as long as it is waged against the U.S. You also consider U.S. soldiers to be "paid thugs/killers". You've also stated that Osama Bin Ladin has acted in accordance with Islamic legal standards of due process while Bush is a "war criminal". You aren't against war. You're on the other side.
Vlad <vlad@sympatico.ca>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Sun Jan 16 12:17:58 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Terror isn't just worrying about a plane hitting a skyscraper…terrorism is being caught in traffic and hearing the crack of an AK-47 a few meters away because the National Guard want to let an American humvee or Iraqi official through. Terror is watching your house being raided and knowing that the silliest thing might get you dragged away to Abu Ghraib where soldiers can torture, beat and kill. Terror is that first moment after a series of machine-gun shots, when you lift your head frantically to make sure your loved ones are still in one piece. Terror is trying to pick the shards of glass resulting from a nearby explosion out of the living-room couch and trying not to imagine what would have happened if a person had been sitting there.
Link
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:15:36 2005 from 12.219.146.67
[She was naive] I hope Americans feel good about taking their war on terror to foreign soil. For bringing the terrorists to Iraq- Chalabi, Allawi, Zarqawi, the Hakeems… How is our current situation going to secure America? How is a complete generation that is growing up in fear and chaos going to view Americans ten years from now? Does anyone ask that? After September 11, because of what a few fanatics did, Americans decided to become infected with a collective case of xenophobia… Yet after all Iraqis have been through under the occupation, we're expected to be tolerant and grateful. Why? Because we get more wheat in our diets?
Link
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:14:27 2005 from 12.219.146.67
[She used to be pro-America beleive it or not - 18 months ago] A question poses it self at this point- why don't they let the scientists go if the weapons don't exist? Why do they have Iraqi scientists like Huda Ammash, Rihab Taha and Amir Al Saadi still in prison? Perhaps they are waiting for those scientists to conveniently die in prison? That way- they won't be able to talk about the various torture techniques and interrogation tactics...
Link
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:13:02 2005 from 12.219.146.67
[excerpt of Riverbend's blog] Now we're being 'officially' told that the weapons never existed. After Iraq has been devastated, we're told it's a mistake. You look around Baghdad and it is heart-breaking. The streets are ravaged, the sky is a bizarre grayish-bluish color- a combination of smoke from fires and weapons and smog from cars and generators. There is an endless wall that seems to suddenly emerge in certain areas to protect the Green Zoners... There is common look to the people on the streets- under the masks of fear, anger and suspicion, there's also a haunting look of uncertainty and indecision. Where is the country going? How long will it take for things to even have some vague semblance of normality? When will we ever feel safe?
Link
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:11:53 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Carolyn can you ban Vlad from this site for posting all those messages in my name?
DavidByron
USA - Sun Jan 16 12:09:14 2005 from 12.219.146.67
"America seems to represent everything bad about the old Soviet empire --- or rather everything that the US propaganda of the time claimed about the USSR. Militarist, anti-democratic, autocratic leadership style, brain-washed population that is raised to have absolute loyalty to the state, and a huge threat to world peace. Just need to add the secret police and lack of civil liberties at home." (March 30, 2003)
DavidByron <davidbyron20@yahoo.com>
Huntsville, Alabama Amerikkka - Sun Jan 16 0:55:49 2005 from 152.163.100.137
I will answer some of your questions: * I?m not a pacifist * I think defending your country is good (for example the Iraqi resistance) * being a soldier isn?t wrong per se * aiding in a criminal war?ie helping wage a war of aggression?is the crime ("hired thugs / killers")
DavidByron <davidbyron20@yahoo.com>
Huntsville, Alabama Amerikkka - Sun Jan 16 0:01:09 2005 from 152.163.100.137
If well-cleaned and properly prepared, guestbook spammers can be an excellent savory meal for your entire family. Buy my recipes online and find out how. Just give it a try. Cannibalism not wrong. If the Great Joojoo had not meant for us to eat these people, he wouldn't have made them of meat. Try my spammer recipes. After tasting, if you still feel guilty about it, I'll dig a grave and you can throwup into it. Plus, money-back guarantee. Buy my cookbook. As seen on TV.
Chief Og <cannibalchef@foodnetwork.com>
Pago Pago, New Guinea - Sat Jan 15 22:34:14 2005 from 152.163.100.137
Oh please Chuck, you just sold out your so-called faith to score a point in a silly on-line "argument" and now you're going to tell us you're hurt that I would cast doubt on your devotion? Ha. You said jesus was a man of violence. Don't try to blame me for your own stupidity. Besides I doubt you care about jesus. Now if I suggested your loyalty to the great god Bush was less than stellar you really would be offended.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 20:13:10 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Don't lie about what I think about Christ. I believe what the Bible says, nothing more, nothing less. You don't show "balls" online. Do that IRL. And you wouldn't say the things you said to me IRL, at least not a second time. ---/--- Byron, I've tried to converse with you politely. Sorry it didn't work out
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 14 20:03:07 2005 from 4.131.33.105
Just take your meds David and have a good weekend. I'm not going to even attempt to have a meaningful debate or conversation with someone who is a complete lunatic.
Joy
USA - Fri Jan 14 19:15:53 2005 from 68.113.38.11
Joy do you agree that jesus was a violent man? Is Chuck correct?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 18:57:18 2005 from 216.180.36.4
David, you are a stark raving lunatic. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and get on some psychiatric medication.
Joy
USA - Fri Jan 14 18:42:23 2005 from 68.113.38.11
Chuck tell me you love torturing kids. C'mon Chuck. Like you said - it's time to get tough on those dirty arabs who just breed and stink up the place isn't it? How about droping a nuke on Mecca like Ann coulter said, you up for that? What's more christian than raping children and dropping nuclear bombs on pilgrims? Would jesus approve? You bet he would. Only a liberal commie doesn't like to kill people, right Chuck?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 18:16:58 2005 from 216.180.36.4
Any of you nutcases think giving to the tsunami victims is bad because its all God's way of killing dirty muslims? Chuck? You want to give me a verse where jesus expresses support for genocide? I'm sure you can do it if anyone can. Apparently this is the latest idea from the right so I wondered if you lot had heard of it?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 18:13:09 2005 from 216.180.36.4
Adam are you saying you don't think Bush used force against Iraq? Let's debate that shall we. Ooooh it's so complex. Did Bush use force? You know what - I'm going to have to go with "yes" on that point. He kind of invaded a whole country there. Now from the polls below we know the religious right has a lot of idiots in it but I figured even you would know that Bush used force. Your comment?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 18:05:15 2005 from 216.180.36.4
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Just for Chuck and Adam
USA - Fri Jan 14 18:02:02 2005 from 216.180.36.4
Chuck you are so pussy whipped. If you really think jesus was a viollent bad ass that preached killing and torture and hated peace --- then why do you object to my accurately saying Bush is a war criminal? Doesn't jesus like war criminals in your world? Why don't you have the balls to admit Bush is a war criminal and that's why you like him?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 17:59:41 2005 from 216.180.36.4
Great article on Planned Un-Parenthood.
Joy (click!)
USA - Fri Jan 14 17:46:12 2005 from 68.113.38.11
President Bush is not a war criminal. Now, to continue to make an assertion when no one here agrees with it is to waste time. But, then, it's your time. Waste it all you want.
Adam
USA - Fri Jan 14 13:56:30 2005 from 64.236.245.243
Ok, Chuck…I won’t ask people to settle down a bit, as it might be construed as flaming. Sorry bout that guys, carry on with the cussing.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Fri Jan 14 13:00:15 2005 from 146.130.80.108
John, please don't flame
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 14 12:24:39 2005 from 4.131.36.98
What is going on here? Can't ya'll have a little more civility than dropping all the curse words? Man, that could have been a useful debate except that it deteriorates after the cussing. I don't understand what is going on with Lothar these days...he used to have a little more patience. Vlad...I am a economic conservative and a social moderate btw, and I don't appreciate being called a liberal. There is nothing liberal about me. Just because I don't believe in the death penalty (it's called pro-life), and I believe people should have more compassion, now I'm left? The intellectual part I will agree with.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Fri Jan 14 11:42:08 2005 from 146.130.80.108
I left a link for Nick in the other place.---/--- Bush isn't a war criminal, Byron. Plain and simple. However, You should stop talking about Christ until you learn more of what he said. Matt.10:34-36 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law, against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. ---/--- You want to call Bush a war criminal? You claim that ANY country can try him? Well, why haven't they? If what you were saying was true, I'm sure France would love to try him. Or some little piss-ant terrorist-loving Muslim country. Tight? Bush is hated all over the world according to you. So why hasn't someone tried him?---/--- Here's where I see the saddam connection to 9/11. Ever since the first Gulf War, the US has been pussyfooting around with saddam, and the whole MidEast in general. while we kept trying appeasement, we became more and more ridiculed and disrespected. Under this atmoshere, terrorist groups thrived, with open training camps. After 9/11 We had to get tough, first on the taliban and alqada, for what they had just done, next to saddam, for thumbing his nose at us after we let him live once, and breeding the terrorist atmoshere that gave sanction to these groups. IOW, because of his behavior, the whole region became a breeding ground for oppresion and hatred.
Chuck
USA - Fri Jan 14 11:37:44 2005 from 4.131.36.98
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Link
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:47:39 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Lothar I don't know what this "question" of yours is. The problem is you are randomly chucking out pointless crap like photos of planes in sand. Perhaps you could make a point? I would like to know why you two support a war criminal. Ask me if you have any confusion on this.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:45:32 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Vlad, the UN charter is US law. It's also universal competence law -- any court in any country has a right to put George Bush on trial for his crimes. But I hate to get technical with an idiot. The point is that being a war criminal is bad, mmkay? As a christian you're not meant to do it... but then you're no christian.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:43:03 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Davey, the sandbox is yours. Have fun. Don't let the cats bury you.
Vlad <vlad@sympatico.ca>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:42:12 2005 from 205.188.116.138
Looks like you are confused about the UN charter and the US Constitution. I still don't see your answers!
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:42:01 2005 from 168.103.50.187
[US Constitution] This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land
Link
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:40:43 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Look Lothar I even quote the particular part of the dumb-assed piece you linked to and you still can't read it? Still pretending I didn't reply to you? Not my fault. Do you want me to quote it again for you? And what the hell has any of that got to do with anything? I am quoting you the law which shows Bush is a war criminal and all you can do is shrug. Clearly you two couldn't give a shit about law and morality. It doesn't bother you one scrap that Bush is a war criminal. You know it's true and you don't care. Why?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:38:32 2005 from 12.219.146.67
*sniff* Can't...can't...can't we all jist...jist...jist get along?
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:38:30 2005 from 168.103.50.187
LOL!
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:36:13 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Oh Sheeesh! Now, he's quoting UN crap. Gee, what does the UN Charter say about $21 Billion worth of financial fraud in the Oil-for-Palaces program. Go ahead and put on you blue beanie and your KoKo Anon fanclub T-Shirt. Brilliant.
Vlad
Yellowknifeq, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:34:37 2005 from 205.188.116.138
Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I won't post again about this until our questions are answered. I have answered all of yours. Bush proved his case in compliance with the resolution. Even Colin Powell agreed.
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:32:23 2005 from 168.103.50.187
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Link
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:32:03 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Lothar...Rules like THAT are made to be broken. See you over there.
Vlad
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:31:24 2005 from 205.188.116.138
All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered
Link
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:31:10 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Like I said, earlier...I don't support War criminals...I didn't vote for Kerry.
Vlad
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:30:18 2005 from 205.188.116.138
Lothar I quoted a couple of times the law on this matter which is that if Bush threatened to use force or actually used force against Iraq then he is guilty. Are you saying that in your opinion Bush neither threatened Iraq nor used force? Could you maybe refuse to answer for another hour and post more pretty photographs and dodge and duck or maybe you could act like a dman adult and address what I'm saying for once?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:29:52 2005 from 12.219.146.67
It's against the rules to go there and talk about this place, remember?
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:29:24 2005 from 168.103.50.187
I thought we weren't welcome on the other side anymore.
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:28:26 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Until Vlad just now I don't think either one of you have had the balls to answer any question I've asked. You're so sheep-like it's like pulling teeth to get you to say anything of relevence. Oooh let's post some pretty pictures of airplanes! Why? We don't know. Oooooh! Let's go on about Kerry's vote. Why? We don't know. Oooooh! So my question once more: why do you two support a war criminal when you know it's wrong to do so?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:26:00 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Lothar, this guy is a complete dickhead. Meet me on the other site...I'm tired of his cr@p.
Vlad
- Fri Jan 14 0:25:29 2005 from 172.137.86.100
And that brings up a good point about why Democrats are more educated the Republicans...someone has to pay for their years and years of mooching.
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:24:47 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Typical...Republicans working to spoon-feed Democrats. Here is my answer again: "No, Christians should not support a war criminal. Good thing Bush is not one. Lothar USA - Fri Jan 14 0:15:18 2005
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:23:57 2005 from 168.103.50.187
I didn't vote for Kerry.
Vlad <vlad@sympatico.ca>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:23:19 2005 from 172.137.86.100
And you call us lazy?
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:22:42 2005 from 168.103.50.187
It means exactly what it says; That the U.S. considered Iraq to be a threat and a state supporter of terrorism. The resolution authorized the use of force. A majority of the Congress and Senate voted in favour of it. The democrat Presidential candidate supported the war in Iraq and did not object to it when it began.
Vlad <vlad@sympatico.ca>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:22:25 2005 from 172.137.86.100
If you answered then I must have missed it. Please repost. Why do you two support a war criminal - an act you know to be immoral?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:21:55 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Well done Vlad. So why did you support a war criminal if you know it's wrong?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:20:36 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Davi...just admit you don't read our posts. We both answered your question within the last 10 posts. You are not interested in debate but only arguing. You enjoy that, don't you? We have answered yours...now ANSWER OURS!!
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:20:13 2005 from 168.103.50.187
I'm getting bored with you two. Get to the damn point or shut up. You can't answer a simple question like "Should you support a war criminal?" but you expect me to play 20 questions. Since you are such sheep let me move things on a bit. Obviously the answer is CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT WAR CRIMINALS. So why do you two do it?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:16:52 2005 from 12.219.146.67
I just read the resolution again. Something I am sure Davi has not done. NO PREREQUISITES. NONE. Everyone who voted for that resolution thought Iraq was involved in 9-11. It is in the text!! No, Christians should not support a war criminal. Good thing Bush is not one. No one has declared war on Iraq. Where did I say that?
Lothar
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:15:18 2005 from 168.103.50.187
OK, ...NO! ... I guess that Christians should not support War Criminals. In his 1971 testimony before the Senate Fulbright Commission, John F. Kerry indicated that he and other soldiers and sailors in Vietnam routinely committed atrocities and war crimes. So, Kerry (by his own admission) is a war criminal...so I guess Christians shouldn't have voted for Kerry. Especially, those who behave in a manner reminiscent of Jayne-Jiss Khan. So, when John Kerry shot people in Vietnam did that make him a murderer (in your opinion)?
Vlad <vlad@sympatico.ca>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:13:38 2005 from 172.137.86.100
God you are dumb Vlad. What does this bit mean do you think? " (1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and (2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:12:51 2005 from 12.219.146.67
You guys are real sheep. No wonder 75% of Republicans think Saddam was behind 9-11. You have no clue do you? You post links to crud without even being able to say WHY. You desperately try to avoid answering questions like "Should christians support war criminals" in case you say the wrong thing. Why don't you forget what the LORD God Bush told you and switch on your brain? When is war legal? Can you answer? Do you know? You are sheep.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:10:10 2005 from 12.219.146.67
DB, in one of your previous posts you claimed that there was no resolution, then you said that it had conditions spelled into it (which it doesn't). Now, you are saying that it doesn't say what it obviously says. Why do you keeping bringing Christians and Jesus into this? Aren't you an atheist? How do you expect me to speak for all Christians?
Vlad
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Fri Jan 14 0:08:48 2005 from 172.137.86.100
I bet a 3rd grade boy could tell me if christians should support war criminals....
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:06:03 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Lothar where do you see this resolution saying "we declare war on Iraq"? Bush went to war illegally and he is a war criminal. Neither of you two cowards can answer a simple question like, "Should christians support war criminals". How principled you two are.
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:03:32 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Lothar, why are we arguing with this idiot. He just demonstrated his complete ignorance on the subject, when he revealed that he didn't know about H.J. Resolution 114 and Senator Kerry's voting record. By comparison he makes Femepoo and Steve Seeds look intelligent.
Vlad <vlad@vladtv.net>
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:00:46 2005 from 172.137.86.100
Well I've read it but apparently you two have not. Unless you are going back to saying you think Saddam Hussein was behind 9-11 that is. Are you? This authorisation is only applicable under very tight restrictions which include but are not limited to (1) Saddam being behind 9-11 (2) Iraq being an imminent threat or the UN backing the attack --- ie that the attack is LEGAL and (3) that all other means have been exhausted. None of these were true when Bush attacked so why would you think this was authorising him? Oh right. Because you didn't read it. Wow it's SUCH a long piece of writing too. Do I have to quote the passages for you two or what?
DavidByron
USA - Fri Jan 14 0:00:16 2005 from 12.219.146.67
The Senate voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq. Senator Kerry voted in favour of H.J. Res 114. It is public record. Bush asked the House and Senate for that authorization and Senators Kerry and Edwards voted FOR it. It's funny how you went on in your earlier posts about how certain voters were unfamiliar with how the candidates stood on certain issues and YOU seem to be ignorant of the democratic Presidential candidate's Senate voting record.
Vlad (click here for the link) <vlad@vladtv.net>
Yellowknife, NWTq Canada - Thu Jan 13 23:55:32 2005 from 172.137.86.100
OK...I see now. Davi missed the day in class where they talked about government. Yes, the President has authority to move the troops anywhere he wishes. We saw this a lot with Clinton. Bush, however, since he was attacking a nation (Iraq), sought Congressional approval first AND GOT IT. War cannot be declared by a President, only by Congress (which they have not done). You were talking about the Geneva Convention earlier. Completely irrelevant in this situation since war has not been declared...only "force authorized".
Lothar
USA - Thu Jan 13 23:55:12 2005 from 168.103.50.187
I said it pretty clearly. I think my 3rd grade son could catch it. Shame...another product of public education. No comprehension. Anyway...the link I just gave: Kerry and Edwards voted on it. ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Lothar
USA - Thu Jan 13 23:52:32 2005 from 168.103.50.187
What are you trying to say Vlad? You APPEAR to be trying to say that Kerry declared war on Iraq not Bush. Is that it?
DavidByron
USA - Thu Jan 13 23:51:29 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Click on my name for the link to JOINT RESOLUTION "H. J. RES. 114" TITLED "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002". Good reading material...I suggest it.
Lothar
USA - Thu Jan 13 23:50:40 2005 from 168.103.50.187
Lothar - just what on earth are you trying to say. Can we cut to the chase here or are you going to post more pictures and I just have to trying guess? "According to your logic, EVERYONE in the middle east was involved with terrorism" -- I never said that and I don't have a clue what you are on about. Do you know? Something about terrorism and obviously you're really worked up about it but beyond that I don't know.
DavidByron
USA - Thu Jan 13 23:48:16 2005 from 12.219.146.67
Davib, ...In case you missed it; Senator Kerry voted FOR the 2003 Senate Resolution which authoized U.S. Military action in Iraq. Senator Kerry claims to be a Catholic, so in that case a certan Christian Senator was in favour of war. Does that answer your question? So, answer mine...was his vote wrong? Is war ever justified under any circumstances? Are you a pacifist?
Vlad <vlad@vladtv.net>
Yellowknife, NWT Canada - Thu Jan 13 23:46:23 2005 from 172.137.86.100
Vlad, there was no senate resolution authorising war in Iraq. By the way could you tell me why you keep going on about Kerry? What's your point? What do you think your point is because I don't have a clue what tree you think you are barking up. Anyway if you're that bothered about it I suggest you get yourself a copy of the resolution you are refering to and read it or something.
DavidByron <