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i like the way you 'Pro-Life feminists' have to go back to the 19th
century to show that *other* Pro-Life feminists exsisted,
Are you saying that pro-life feminists do not currently exist? Who are the
members of Feminists for Life
we are nearly in the 21st century & i find it laughable for you to
have to go back as far as that to 'prove' that yr not really just some
Can you point to where I, or Feminists for Life, make a religious argument
against abortion? In addition, pointing out that many of the early
feminists were pro-life has nothing to do with proving or disproving
whether my abortion beliefs are religiously based.
set about to end abortion completely. i don't know whether you heard
about this but a young
girl of 15 fell pregnant as was actually PAID by a catholic priest to KEEP
the baby & NOT have an abortion,
Oh HANG ON - that is FALSE. They didn't PAY HER not to abort - she had
already decided to NOT abort and they gave her money for necessities, such
as baby clothes! Her family was not well-off, and they went to the Church
for help. Are you suggesting that the Church should have ignored her?
Pro-choicers tend to scream about pro-lifers not helping women in need,
but when they do, people like you cry that they are paying her not to
abort! Tell me Angela, when the family asked the Church for help, what do
you think they should have done? For more information on this case, please
see this excellent article: Bribery for
Babies. I was planning to write something about this myself, but I
never found the time. I think it's time that I did find the time to write
she was paid something like £2000 which is a hell of a lot of money to a 15 year old
especially. i found the whole matter completely
shocking & disgraceful - to, with no shame, BRIBE a young girl into
not having an abortion!
Maybe you should find out the facts before making yourself look silly? The
girl had decided NOT TO ABORT, and the Catholic Church gave help to a
needy family. The hypocrisy of this situation is truly
amazing....pro-lifers are wrong if they don't help, and they're wrong if
they do! If the Church turned their backs on this girl, can you imagine
the reaction? Are you suggesting the Church should have turned her
away? I guess all the people who are willing to help pregnant women so
they don't abort for economic reasons are "bribing" them?
did she want this child? no.
Yes she did, which is why she had already decided not to abort.
Facts can be such annoying things sometimes, can't they? What do you think about the
fact that this young girl has had her situation blasted all over the world
by pro-choice groups, in their attempt to try and demonize pro-lifers and
the Catholic Church for the horrible act of helping her? Do you think the
pro-choice groups had her best interests at heart when they decided to
exploit her situation?
will she still want it when it's born? no.
How do you know?! Are you saying that you know what she is thinking? Are
will she grow up feeling resentment for the priest? yes. feeling
stupid for being BRIBED into having a unwanted child? YES.
For goodness sake, she wasn't bribed! Shall I assume that you are against
people giving aid to pregnant women in need?
what is the point of having a child you didn't plan for?
So only "planned" pregnancies should be carried through? Plenty of people
don't plan their pregnancies, but that doesn't mean the child isn't worth
anything. Or do you base a person's worth on how much someone else wants
him/her? Are you saying that women are so cold-hearted that they could
never love or want a child who wasn't perfectly planned?
what if a woman was raped? would you still expect her to have the
Rape is a complicated issue which I am not going to delve into here, but
the child isn't any less human because some pig assaulted the woman. In
addition, rape cases account for less than 1% of unplanned pregnancies, so
how does this justify abortion on demand for any reason?
! what about sexual assault on young girls, would you expect
them to have the baby if it was say, their FATHER whom got them
Are you aware that many times, the abuser takes the girl to get an
abortion to cover up the crime? He can then continue to molest her!
i thought/believed feminism to mean PRO-CHOICE.
Not if you are a pro-life feminist.
the way i see it is as it's either Pro-Choice or NO CHOICE. yes,
abortions are nasty, harrowing, depressing things to have to have, do you
really believe women have abortions for the hell of it?! NO.
Did I say that? No.
it's because they are
DESPERATE. all sensible women take precautions so as NOT to get pregnant,
but if ,by chance, these methods happen
to FAIL what are they expected to do in the world of Pro-Life? have the
unwanted child? live their whole life resenting that child for ruining
So, what you are saying it that a person's worth is based on how
much one other person "wants" him/her. In addition, many mothers do not
resent their unplanned children. In fact, studies show that the
"wantedness" of a child and subsequent abuse are not related whatsoever.
Of course, when pro-lifers try to help women in need, you scream that they
are being bribed.
is that what you really want to see happen? not only is all types of
for a reason, it also serves a purpose to society - if everyone that had
sexual intercourse didn't use contraception
(because of religion or because it was banned or whatever...) see how
overcrowded the world would be!
Can you tell me where I say that people don't have the right to use
contraception? In addition, much of the current population increase is due
to medical advances which keep people alive longer.
the US & UK would turn into overpopulated, 3rd world countries due to
lack of goverment funding for all the new children being born.
So your answer is to kill off the unborn because the mother *might* not
want the baby? Do you support killing off other classes of people because
such actions might reduce the population?
abortion is there when a woman is desperate NOT to have a child, she
probably DID use contraception
Some do, and some do not use contraception. Many of the people I know
personally who have had abortions were not using protection.
but not all contraception is 100% faultless, she needs to be able to
have a CHOICE
The choice to kill her offspring? The choice to kill off someone she deems
as unworthy and not equal to her? How odd... women were oppressed because
they were seen as unequal, and now you suggest that "true" feminism
warrants women turning around and oppressing their own children.
not all women who fall unexpectadely pregnant do get abortions, but
it's the fact that there is at least a CHOICE of whether to or NOT. that
is what is important.
I don't believe one should have the choice to kill their unborn child.
i think any woman interested in the welfare & health or women should
understand that & respect it. abortions are horrible experiences but we
should set about trying to IMPROVE abortions & abortion clinics,
So, do you speak out about cases where women die from
abortion? I hope so.
making them MORE woman friendly & safer & less painful, we should set
about helping each other to discover NATURAL abortion;
Whether an abortion is "natural" or not doesn't change the core issue.
herbs & medicines that induce abortion. we shouldn't say that abortion
is BAD & should be stopped/made illegal because women will STILL have
People will always break the law. Does this mean we shouldn't have laws?
Maybe if society didn't paint all women who have unplanned pregnancies as
horrible mothers who resent their children, like you have done here, maybe
if people like you didn't yell "bribery" when people reach out to help
women in need, the stigma of unplanned pregnancies would be reduced and
women won't feel like they must or should abort.
they'll just be far more dangerous, unhealthy & unpleasant. i hope
you have understood some of my points? i don't want this to be read (or
ignored even) & then forgotten - i speak as a
As you can see, I did not ignore this.
young, modern, concerned feminist woman. i also can't help but feel
that a lot of these sentiments for Pro-Life come from religious ideas,
Mine does not.
i know a few religious groups are Pro-Lifer's and i don't think
religion should have ANYTHING to do with womens welfare today, most
religions are sexist & misogynist anyway
Oh? Then should we abolish all religiously-based aid groups?
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