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Are you claiming that Collies kill and eat their own babies???

That write-in suggestion was just so ludicrous, that it must have been an intended vote for Algore..um.."dungbeatle".
So now the count is up to 4 for "dungbeatle".
All of the other choices have zero votes.

Vlad the Elections Official
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 23:58:35 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Let's see...I'm very pro-life/anti-abortion, but I'm the bad guy. I'm against censorship, but I'm the bad guy. I'm pro-gun, but I'm the bad guy. I don't like queers, but I'm the bad guy. A very interesting picture is emerging here...
Fox
- Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 23:55:15 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
I vote for the name "Collie" for Fox, because I ascribe to him the noble qualities of a smart, loyal dog. The links are now adding the URL to the one of Carolyn's website and that's why the links to other sites in this guestbook are not working. If you can, try to erase her URL without erasing the other one. Find the beginning of the URL or the end of hers and backspace (windows) or delete (MAc) everything before. Then the link should work.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 23:50:52 (EST) from dialup-166.90.35.182.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
checkout this site:
www.gopfun.com/911pictures/mamaliberty.jpg

Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 23:02:39 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
The election to decide on a differenct name for "Fox"; currently the name "Dungbeatle" is in the lead with three votes.
The other choices include: "Oppossum", "Skunk", "Roach", and "Rat". (Currently zero votes for the other choices)
Surprisingly there have been no write-in candidates.
There have been no overseas military ballots recieved, so Dungbeatle (synonymous with "Algore") is maintaining a comfortable lead.
Be sure and vote, today, for your choice of Foxx's new name.
It's your right...It's your duty as an American.

Vlad the Palm Beach County Polling Official
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 22:07:17 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Are you conservaphobic
Proud Conservative
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 21:07:50 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
I see dumb people.
The 7th Sense
- Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 20:37:12 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
You Conservatives are just all alike...Just a bunch of evil tobacco lawyers that are in bed with big business and the NRA and just want to kill everybody with arsenic, handguns, and secondhand cigarette smoke. It's high time that you and Ken Starr realize that the amerikan people love Bill Clinton and all the peace and prosperity that he made for us, and that is why the evil mean-spirited Republikans just want to take away all our healthcare and kick us out of our homes so that babies and old people can starve out in the cold, so that Donald Trump and Newt Gingrich can take all that real estate and open cigarette factories and cigarette stores and ship-in a bunch of overseas foreigners that will work for pennies a day and give free cigarettes, matches, and handguns to all your children. This is War...yes war against Ken Starr, Bob Dole, Richard Mellon Scaithe and all the religious moral majority right-wing extreminst Republikans that just want to kill everyone and take-away their welfare money and give-it away as tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of all Americans while all the little childrens don't have no food or schools and their Grandmas have no medicines and have to choose between taking their medicines or eating while Trent Lott, Rupert Murdoch, and Robert Novak sit in their mahogany-paneled conference room at an exclusive White's-only Country-Club, drinking Maker's Mark, laughing, and smoking fancy cigars so that the second-hand smoke makes everybodies babies sick. And they be all laughing...yes laughing because their contract with America has taken-away everybodies rights and sent all the jobs overseas so nobody can afford to buy food anymore except for the richest 1% of Americans and all anybodies gonna get for Christmas is cigarettes...that's right cigarettes, cause that's all that there's gonna be.
James Carville <CorporalQ-ball@serpenthead.com>
Baton Rouge, LA USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 17:13:14 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
"First you make a clone and then you try to enslave it? Stealing DNA samples from the unborn, then you're coming after us because we sampled a James Brown horn? Scientists whose god is progress, a threep-headed sheep is their latest project. The CIA running like that Jones from Indiana but they still won't talk about that Jones in Guyana. This ain't no cartoon, no one slips on bananas. Do you really think that that car killed Diana?" From "Oh my, oh my God", from "Stay Human" album by Michael Franti
Conservaphobe <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 16:53:31 (EST) from dialup-206.15.1.158.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Happy Sunday, everyone!
Sue
CA USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 16:28:40 (EST) from dial-210.arc-01.lodinet.com
Ooops...I made a booboo!
I hope nobody was offended when I used the insensitive term "dead people" in the last post.
They prefer to be called; "Horizontal-Americans" or "Room-Temperature Americans."

Vlad the Politically Correct
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 16:04:53 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Agreed!
Hey, we're so far ahead, I don't think I'll have to go canvass all of those dead people as part of the "git out da vote" drive. I'm sure they would all vote for Algore again..oops, I mean "dungbeatle". (There are so many similarities, I just get confused)

Vlad Daley
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 16:02:53 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
And if they're not, we'll just say we 'intepret' the 'intent' of the voter to have actually meant dung-beetle... that will settle it!

Joy the unbiased counter <unbiased@palmbeachvoting.com>
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 15:56:29 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.90.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
...and the results have been delayed from outlying precints...some senior citizens were confused by an ambiguous ballot and voted for cockroach (ralph Nader) by mistake. They really intended to vote for Dungbeatle (Algore) so as soon as those votes tallied, no doubt that they will be for "Dungbeatle".
Vlad the Palm Beach County Polling Official
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 15:48:12 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I have come to a determination that the Lem ballot is actually a vote for Algore...er,ooops..ugh...I mean "Dungbeatle". (Easy to get the two confused).
By divining "voter intent", we have officially determined that the voting totals stands at:
Opossum - 0 votes
Skunk - 0 Votes
Cockroach -
dungbeatle (Algore)- 3 Votes
rat - 0 votes

DUNGBEETLE IS IN THE LEAD!!!

Vlad the Palm Beach County Polling Official
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 15:44:38 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
(pssst Vlad... I think that little winky face of Lem's looks like a hanging chad. And because it appears to me there's at least three corners punched through... I say the vote goes to 'dung-beetle')
Joy the unbiased counter
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 15:15:41 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.90.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I’m going to keep my vote secret. ;)
 
Aghhhh. There are land mines in Afghanistan.

Lem
Bronx, NY USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 14:22:35 (EST) from AC8A75E7.ipt.aol.com
Alright, "dung-beetle" get's my vote; so that is TWO votes to change Fox's name to "Dung-Beetle".
(This election is getting exciting)
Everyone, hurry and get your votes tallied before the polls close (which is anytime that I feel like closing them).

Vlad (Official Pollster)
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 12:44:26 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Back to Hil and her "plans" for Afghanistani women -- the imperialist population planners ignore the fact that the best way to lower the birth rate is to provide women with more educational and social opportunities (interestingly, in Japan, where abortion has been legal for more than fifty years, and where the abortion rate is quite high, the status of women is quite low). When the status of women rises, and they are allowed to pursue more oportunities, the birth rate almost always decreases. In fact, in many countries in Western Europe, such as Italy and France, there is a "birth dearth." But you know we have to keep those nasty brown, black, and yellow folks under control, right?
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 12:29:56 (EST) from hhcampuslink1.OSIS.UPENN.EDU
That's one vote for "dung-beetle".
Everyone gets only one vote (this ain't Chicago). Foxx and femiside are disqualified from voting, to avoid an appearance of impropriety. (I'm not sure what I mean by that, the little voices in my head just told me to say it).

Vlad (the Official Pollster)
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 12:25:03 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Vlad - "dung-beetle" gets my vote. :o]

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 11:33:00 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.129.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hey Lem,
The idea of just ignoring the pests (pedophile & psycho) sounds like a very good idea.
The rule must have been made before my time here. I only recently discovered this site through the links on a site that I have since forgotten. When I arrived, we were all in a game of verbal fisticuffs with "Victoria" who has since vanished. (Anyone know what happened to her/him/whatever?)
When Feminid and fox showed up, It seemed like everyone had such a good time slamming them.
I hope that I am not one of the offenders that Carolyn was talking about earlier. I am perfectly willing to abide by any rules that she wishes. So far, I have seen where she asked us all not to use vulgar language and I have made a concerted effort to restrict my vocabulary to using only words that are acceptable in polite society. (I hope I haven't slipped-up. If I have; sorry, folks).

I am quite offended, because one of the posters uses the name "fox".
We have a family of foxes that live in the woods near our home. They are beautiful creatures that are stealthy, clever, and rarely seen by humans. From what I have read and observed, they are very dedicated parents and will act wounded, using themselves as decoys, if an intruder gets near their den.(They sound like better parents than some humans that I have come accross). One of the old-timers around here claims that foxes mate for life. My observations have not confirmed this because they are very difficult to tell apart.
Anywhoo...to avoid offending myself and these fascinating creatures, I request that "fox" change his name to "opossum", "skunk", "roach", "dung-beetle", or "rat". One of these names would be far more appropriate.
Remember, to be politically correct, you must avoid offending ANYONE.
"Mediocre Whatever, Everyone"

Hey, can anyone find anything offensive about: "Season's Greetings"???

Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 11:22:01 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
heh heh heh...Lem said titi-llatted...heh heh heh..cool.
Beavis
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 10:37:25 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
You know, that's a very good point. I wonder what Hillary and the rest of the so-called women's rights fans would say to their overwhelming support of abortions if they were confronted with the fact most aborted children are female. How could they squirm themselves out of that one? Probably advocate even more abortions so as to try to increase the number of males aborted in order to be "fair" and "equal." Probably totally ignore the cultural imperatives which cause the situation in the first place.
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 00:16:26 (EST) from adsl-78-167-80.gsp.bellsouth.net
Joy - if you read this before 8 o Clock Mountain time, turn to the Fox Channel (Not Fox News but Fox). Bill O'Reilly has a show coming on I think you might find interesting.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 21:54:28 (EST) from dialup-209.245.8.26.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
I often wonder why the womenist types overlook these things that people bring up, i.e. most abortions are actually encouraged by men and worldwide they are mostly encouraged or even forced to abort female babies.

I don't at all favor giving women any means to raise children. Their children are THEIR responsibity, not mine. But encouraging them to abort children is reprehensible. And I agree that crimes against children are the worst kind.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 21:44:28 (EST) from dialup-209.245.8.26.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Good point about providing people with access to food, shelter, medicine etc.,rather than abortion, since often the reason for abortion is lack of access to the means to survive and provide for a child. Some would rather women have abortions because thats cheaper than giving them access to the means to live and raise children.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 18:18:47 (EST) from dialup-63.208.132.3.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
You are so right Katie. How about food and medicine first? How about food and medicine ONLY! "Sorry ladies, I don't have any of life's necessities with me, but hey! If you ever need an abortion ..."

And, where does she get off "extending" anything to Afghan women period? As if our laws should, somehow, cover other nations. As you say, there are a LOT of other things we can extend to the Afghan people LONG before abortion becomes an issue. Especially in a country with such a high infant and child mortality rate. How about prenatal care to keep the babies alive, rather than trying to find support for killing them off. It is such a skewed sense of priorities, it is downright sickening.

Speaking of sickening, I recently ran across a stat about India, where abortion is not only condoned, women are bribed to have them. It seems something like 95% (or more) of the aborted infants are female. Regardless of what I may think about women, that is repulsive beyond belief even to me. As I see it, crimes against children are the worst there are. It is having bad consequences as well in that there is a great shortage of eligible women for the greater number of men. This is leading to unrest and crime. This imbalance is undoing their society and they are doing nothing to stop it. As usual, once we export our vision of how things should be to other cultures, we end up destroying them. All to often we seem to export the evils more than the good. Abortion being one of the greatest of our evil exports. Mind you, I'm not saying everything we "export" is evil.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 17:36:44 (EST) from adsl-156-181-39.gsp.bellsouth.net


That's corrEspondence... sigh...

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 17:24:39 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.40.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
In order to address certain issues with a certain person... I have reopened a message board. I am asking that all corrospondence with femecide or fox be taken there in respect for Carolyn.

http://pub3.ezboard.com/bjoyland

There is one open forum... that does not need a password, and one private. Anyone who wishes to access the private one, email me for the password. And I apologize in advance for the pop-up ads.

Carolyn - I hope this will help the current situation.

Joy <joymeister@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 17:23:19 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.40.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Not surprised that Hils wants to extend "abortion rights" to Afghan women. Gee, this sounds awfully like the "helpful" population control programs the UN is so enthusiastic about funding. I think some people need a reality check here. When the basic neccessities of life are withheld, people are not goin to be overtly concerned with sexual freedom. How about food and medicine first?
Katie
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 16:53:33 (EST) from spider-te032.proxy.aol.com
My mistake. Where I said "sin" in my previous post, I meant to say "evil."
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 16:53:01 (EST) from adsl-78-166-46.gsp.bellsouth.net
Monica, I have opened up to that "joy and companionship" once too often. I think I'll pass. As to Eve being blamed for sin, I don't think that's quite right. I believe she is blamed for succumbing to temptation, thereby leading them both astray. Sin was already there just waiting. I think it is quite unfair of God to put two innocent people into a situation like that, knowing of their weakness. More unfair to throw them out for just one infraction. There were, after all, just human. There are a lot of things in the Bible I just don't buy into.

Here's a question. If Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel were the only 4 people on the earth, who did Cain marry after he killed Abel and ran off to Nod? Or more to the point, where the heck did she come from?
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 16:50:35 (EST) from adsl-78-166-46.gsp.bellsouth.net


"Femecide", you actually said something intelligent. Now I wish you could just let go of this hating 51% of the human population. We woman are not that different from men and we're as different from eachother as they are. I think as much as Judaism, Christianity and Islam have contributed to human progress by promoting ethical conduct, they do promote some anti-woman ideas. One example is the myth of Adam and Eve, blaming the first woman for the existance of evil. While I can see why society and religion promote sexual restraint, the idea of sex as "sinful" causes men to see women as sources of temptation. Open up to the joy and compahionship of 51% of the human race.
"Monica Luz" aka "Conservaphobe" <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 15:50:57 (EST) from 11-pool2.ras10.casnc.tii-dial.net
Carolyn, I don't think what I posted on the Powhatan Renape Nation book was off at all. Nonetheless, in deference to you, as you manage that board as well, I will not post there further.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 15:05:21 (EST) from adsl-78-167-170.gsp.bellsouth.net
My apologies to Carolyn in advance. Joyless, if you want me to stop posting then STOP slandering me with terms like psycho and rapist. YOU are the one inciting me in here. You expect me to just not post in response to your vulgar and libelous taunts? I will NOT let some foul mouthed airhead calling me a rapist just slide by without comment. You have NO basis for such an outlandish accusation. I will not stand for your slander where rapist is concerned. Makes me wonder about your constant reference to Fox as a pedophile. Probably just another baseless accusation designed to defame and inflame another. look to YOUR own culpability for the crap that goes on in here before laying it all on another's doorstep.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 14:59:58 (EST) from adsl-78-167-170.gsp.bellsouth.net
As for traveling in an unnatural manner, I gather these days light is most advisable. Of course, I, as a male… will have very little trouble.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 12:26:54 (EST) from AC8A75E7.ipt.aol.com
Thanks Joy.
 
If I remember correctly, mike subjected that we should avoid certain posters. There was no collusion if you will, I just sort of understood not to.
 
In other news. My vacation request went thru. I will be joining relatives in Fla. again. Speaking of Fla. Could you Imagen?

Lem
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 12:15:09 (EST) from AC8A75E7.ipt.aol.com
I'll go along with that agreement. No more responses to those two. :o]

I like posting here. It's one of the only places I post (here and Righgrrl)and I don't want to lose it either.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 11:52:55 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.219.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


I’m sorry if I sounded despondent Joy. Carolyn is not known as a complainant. When she does is because there is something wrong going on. I for one will prejudicially take her side.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 11:43:40 (EST) from AC8A75E7.ipt.aol.com
Lem - I must have missed that. I didn't know you had made that agreement.

What a shame they (fox and femebutt) simply won't leave on their own. What do they get from being somewhere they clearly aren't wanted? Unlike some of the liberals who spice up the discussions, these two bring nothing but psycho rantings...

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 11:41:01 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.219.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Let's see... I am now hated by one bitter psycho feigning rapist and one pedophile... Oh maaaaaaan... and I wanted them to LIKE me! Dang! I guess I've really blown it now...

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 11:34:53 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.219.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I can’t believe we can be so easily titillated!
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 11:29:16 (EST) from AC8A75E7.ipt.aol.com
I am tired of the stuff that continues to go on here - especially from Fox. I guess this is how people show thanks for having an open forum. I don't have time for this anymore.
 
A little while back we sort made up a rule that fox – aka dash, aka cheap book paste, aka britny spears purveyor, aka just plain reperpesoso (I will look it up later) would not, under no circumstance be responded.
 
Regretfully we, (If I share the good things, I must share some responsibility when something unseeingly goes on.) have let our guard down.
 
I really don’t want to lose you guys. Lets just please. Carolyn is allowing us the privilege to self-police. I can’t believe we are letting her down like this.

Lem
the bronx, NY USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 11:25:49 (EST) from AC8A75E7.ipt.aol.com
The post was intended to sound like the same cr@p that Fox always posts, although not nearly as bad as the vulgarity that he directed towards Joy, yesterday.
(So, he has actually received NAMBLA acheivement awards?)
Besides, Fox accusing someone of "bad form" is utterly rediculous.
Please note, that I intentionally posted using my real userID (so IP's match) immediately before AND afterwards. My intention was to make it plain that I was dissing Fox.

Vlad
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 10:57:15 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I thank God that He works through pages such as these. Thank you for this ProLife webring. I am working now to add a prolife page to my site. God bless you!!
TB <ru4God@starband.net>
GA USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 06:35:46 (EST) from misc-148-78-249-10.pool.starband.net
Sorry Fox, Oh Smart One - I didn't bother to check IPs and the post sounded like the crap you usually write.
Carolyn
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 02:48:10 (EST) from port5.interstat.net
Well, anybody except Carolyn, apparently...
The REAL Fox
- Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 02:18:44 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
You can't outfox the Fox, Vlad! You posted under my name, but look at the IP! Anybody can see that Vlad and the fake "Fox" have the same IP! Bad form!
The REAL Fox
- Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 02:17:26 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
I believe it is because Feminoid is a warped psycho.
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:48:06 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
ps - Femicide, why are you trying to start debates in the Powhatan Renape Nation guestbook? That is not there as a debate board (if I was more awake I'd comment on your post there which was WAY off base)
Carolyn
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:42:55 (EST) from port5.interstat.net
Goodnight Carolyn.
We all hope that you have a nice weekend.

Vlad
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:41:24 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
You people are just jealous of all of those NAMBLA achievement awards that I have won.

Translation: "My name is 'Fox' and I want attention because I have nothing to say."
(Melissa I was in no way referring to you)
Goodnight.

Carolyn
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:39:52 (EST) from port5.interstat.net
You people are just jealous of all of those NAMBLA achievement awards that I have won.
Fox
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:38:12 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Fox, you know damn well why you annoy people, and it isn't because you're opinionated.
Carolyn
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:35:21 (EST) from port5.interstat.net
Hey, while I was over at the "Village People" site, they kept saying their Village Idiot has gone missing...They all miss you over there, Fox.
Vlad
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 00:24:10 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Burning the midnight oil? Sounds like a line from a Petra song!
Fox
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 23:40:52 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Melissa: Human Evolution final??

Is that a college course?
Chuck
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 23:31:25 (EST) from A010-0471.CLMB.splitrock.net


I really hope Carolyn doesn't leave or not participate. I love reading what she writes. In my opinion, she should filter out some posters. Welcome opposing views, but keep everything respectful.
Aaron
CO USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 23:17:29 (EST) from dialup-209.244.78.1.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Carolyn, I hope you're not sick of moi . . .
Melissa (burning the midnight oil for the dreaded Human Evolution final)
Philly, USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 23:15:29 (EST) from 0-1pool157-59.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
It always amazes me how people see themselves. Disrupt a message board continuously with in flammatory rhetoric that has no basis in fact and that can be debunked using the least amount of thought and when people call you on ityou try to pass yourself off as an against the grain maverick who is being shunned due to his opinion.

This is not the case. Fox, you are largely ignored not because of your opinions. You have a perfect right to them. The reason you are treated with little respect is because everyone on here sees you as the overindulged, underinformed, ignorant attention getter that you are. You sputter off half truths and conspiracy theory and then ignore and shrug off all facts that refute your ridiculous claims. You shout off juvenile sayings and go to outrageous lengths to get attention. Like most liberals you take ideological disagreement personally and turn political discussions into personal vendettas. It is quite clear that your main purpose here is to attempt to agitate, annoy and disrupt. Would that you were only here to engage in political discussion. I'd certainly enjoy that.

My advice is to grow up, accept reality and act like an adult. Show that you deserve respect and people will start giving it to you.
Aaron
CO USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 22:57:01 (EST) from dialup-209.244.78.1.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


I don't blame you, Carolyn. It's your board, start filtering/blocking as you see fit (including me). Cut out a certain 2 or 3 people and the facetious posting will drop by 90%
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 22:16:44 (EST) from adsl-20-146-59.gsp.bellsouth.net
What are you referring to, Carolyn? Am I too opinionated for you? Is it that some of my opinions go against the grain? Is it the fact that my last post quoted a well-known rap song? What is it?
Fox
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 22:03:44 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
I am tired of the stuff that continues to go on here - especially from Fox. I guess this is how people show thanks for having an open forum.
I don't have time for this anymore.

Carolyn
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 21:50:00 (EST) from port5.interstat.net
Joy, this court finds you guilty of being a redneck, white bread, chicken-s*** mother-f*****!
Fox With Attitude
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 21:25:19 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Joy - Back in April or May Bill O'Reilly interviewed Rather. He asked Rather is Clinton was an honest man. Rather said yes. O'Reilly was shocked. He said "You think he's honest? Even though he lied under oath and on National TV and right to Jim Lehrer's face??"

Dan's reply: "Well, you can lie about several things and still be an honest man."

That moment I yelled out "Somebody get this man a dictionary!"
Aaron
CO USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 20:13:56 (EST) from dialup-64.156.33.137.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


I was in the campus bookstore today and glanced at Ms. Magazine, which has picked it's "Women of the Year." That Dutch doctor who started the "women on waves" ship, you know, the traveling abortion clinic, was one of them. It's amazing how 'borts are always screaming that "abortion is legal," yet they have no respect for the laws of other nations in regard to abortion. I understand that our favorite freshman senator, Hillary Roadkill Clinton, is supporting "abortion rights" for Afghanistani women. Now, why am I not surprised? Seems to me that the Afghani women are a bit more interested in things like food, shelter, schools for their daughters etc. . .
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 20:06:04 (EST) from 0-1pool157-253.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Maybe he doesn't tipe so gud, but at least he's not a pervert like you Fox.

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 19:12:20 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.163.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"If he is, at least it's Villiage People and not kids." rofl!
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 19:10:08 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.163.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Fox - Me and my cop buddies don't eat donuts. Although our Harley club is called the Baker's Dozen.

Maybe when the FBI finds all the kiddie porn on your computer, they'll take you to the 'outhouse'. Wish I could be there to watch. :o]

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 19:08:58 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.163.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


So, whatcha gonna tell us Monday, Captain? The definition of "villiage", or the definition of "susense"?
Fox
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 19:00:59 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Hey, I have another "Pook" for ya: Pooktang!
Fox
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:58:15 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
If he is, at least it's Villiage People and not kids.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:56:48 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Where's Joy? She must be at Dunkin' Donuts.
Fox
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:56:30 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Where's Vlad? He must be at the Village People chat site.
Fox
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:54:35 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Hv a pleasent evening!
Lem
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:52:26 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
I'll tell ya' Monday!
Capt. O
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:16:14 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
OK...SURE...let the fat kid go all weekend wondering what good news there is!!

Hey, Joy. Do you know how to keep a blonde in susense?


Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:15:43 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Ok...you're killin' us...WHAT???

Hunting sweatshirts for everyone **duck and run**???
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:03:39 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Heh heh.
Today we received good news at my office.

Carolyn
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:00:59 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Looks like Carolyn might be going hunting this weekend, don't you think, Vlad?


Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:56:20 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Well, I'm gunna mosey on out of here. Have a good weekend!

I hear Pookatello, Idaho is great this time of year!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:54:03 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


...instead of poke.
O
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:50:41 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Lem, shouldn't that be "pook fun"?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:50:19 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Judge Bork was nominated to the supreme court by Bush 41, (I believe.) The democrats mounted an attack on his prolific writings matched only by what they (dems) did to Judge Thomas. So now when another appointment comes up the verb to bork is resuscitated.
Lem, still at the office
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:29:30 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Great, now that no one’s left, I can raise the volume on Poe.
Lem
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:23:14 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Lem - Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh... borked? denied? Huh? :oD Please splain...

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:21:29 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy, you, you will not be borked (denied,remember?).
Lem
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:17:23 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Lem - shouldn't that be oPOOKortunistic? Yikes... that's hard to say. :o]

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:07:50 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
We could pick up a pupurry of permutations to parlance on the nick-name pook. It’s an oPortunistic pleasure of mine, in passing. Not to poke fun. ;) - Hi Vlad.
Lem
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:04:56 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
How about "Pookies & Cream"
Ben & Jerry
Burlington, VT USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:00:19 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
...and hopefully never "Pooker".
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:58:18 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Has he already mentioned "Pookie-monster", "Tele-pookies", "Pookadelic", or "Pooked-on-phonics"???
Vlad the nickname creator
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:35:14 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
If you're gunna spew, spew into this...
Garth
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:26:38 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Too cute for ya, huh?

:-)
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:23:28 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com


I think I'm gonna hurl...
Wayne
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:20:19 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
As I've said, the "Pook" part of my name is my husband's pet name for me....he also comes up with many variations, including "Pook-a-Dook," "Princess Monopookie," and "Pookmaster General," to name a few.

He came up with 2 new ones last night that Joy and Ted (and others, I'm sure....just didn't bother scrolling down that far) would appreciate...

Lord of the Pooks and Pookbo Pookins.

He's so cute. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:11:19 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com


Anyway, Carolyn's guestbook has a neat assortment of people, too, and it's a fun place to be, too!
 
Sue, I like you already, this IS a fun place. Although I don’t know much about this Carolyn person you mention?? Rumor has it she went away looking for more hours to add to the day but never came back. We may resort to clairvoyants. What’s that guy on the sci-fi channel? ;) (jst kting)

Lem
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:29:09 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Jmheeeee heee jmheee heee, Rumsfeld said kabash…. Jmheeee heee he said kabash Jmheeee heee
 
"We are not going to put the the kabash on any surrender” Dandy Rumsfeld.

Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:10:32 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Welcome aboard, Sue. We're all glad to have you here.
Hopefully, femie-side will stay over with the RightGrrrls and take Fox with him. (Fox is probably occupied on Barney's chatroom.)

Vlad
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:08:51 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I know what you mean, Nick.
I used to despise Seinfeld, because of how shallow and self-centered the main characters were.
Along came the Clintoon years, and I began to see it as a parody of Billy-Bob and PIAPS. The final episode where they are finally going to jail for all that they have done, somewhat fulfilled my wildest fantasy of Clintoons major players being confined to small damp poorly-lit cells. The Festivus episode seems to be a subtle parody of Kwanzaa. (Someone making-up their own Holiday).

Vlad
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:05:46 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Freebies? Nope. I don't go to many websites to post messages. Are you referring to About.com?
Sue
CA USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 13:20:33 (EST) from dial-058.arc-01.lodinet.com
Hey everybody!

Hossier Pharmer made our local paper!

http://www.dispatch.com/news/religion/faith-story.php?story=dispatch/news/features01/dec01/986691.html

Good to see someone who WON'T give up her values. Wish I knew that lady.
Chuck
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 13:20:04 (EST) from A010-0420.CLMB.splitrock.net


Sue? Are you the same Sue that posted that site with all of the freebies? Man, it's been awhile if it is.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 13:04:07 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Thank you, Joy! I've posted here before, but not for awhile. As for Femecide (or whatever), well, he must've had a horrible mom, and he should seek intensive therapy. I think he likes people talking about him, too, especially females, because females in his life probably ignore him.
Sue
CA USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:45:20 (EST) from dial-058.arc-01.lodinet.com
Hi Sue,
You seem to know quite a bit about Ldotcom. My negative impression of Mr. Gray Bear was based on his slamming me for some subtle violation of the house rules, while he violated those same rules himself.
I have not seen him on the site in quite a while, do you know what happened to him? (I thought maybe Lucianne got tired of having some of her most avid fans get booted from her website for vague technicalities.) Lucianne IS my favorite site for news and commentary and Gray Bore was quite an irritant that stood in the way of many people (Palo Verde, Texas GOP guy are examples) from enjoying it.

Vlad
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:40:23 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
We are a fun bunch! Well, everyone except Femecide (who really needs to have butt surgery to remove whatever is stuck up there) and Fox, who you should know is the resident Pedophile. We mostly ignore him...

Welcome Sue! Great to have you! :o]

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:31:57 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Well, Vlad (or Junior?), I've posted on threads to Grey Bear @ L.com, too. He's posted pics. of his cats, and I've found his posts quite interesting. I can see where his perspective on Christianity would annoy people, though. I think he must've had a negative experience with it. I've tried not to debate about religion (or chat) with him, because I believe people have a right to follow whatever faith they choose in the USA. There have been a few rather annoying folks there, mostly site pests, who are also sort of fun to expose as the idiots they are. Also, remember trish_la_dish? I found her to be smarmy and abrasive. Anyway, Carolyn's guestbook has a neat assortment of people, too, and it's a fun place to be, too!
Sue
CA USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:28:17 (EST) from dial-058.arc-01.lodinet.com
Yes, and I saw B&B share femies views towards women... Which puts femie in very good company.

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:22:55 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy, I was wondering if I was going to have to explain that.

Vlad, I learned something yesterday. Festivus? Although I searched for it and learned what it is, don't like Seinfeld...sorry.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:20:47 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


We really had quite the diverse forum last night; the entire cast of Beavis & Butthead and Southpark, which was triggered by an appearance by the real "femie-side". We had Charles Manson AND Frank Costanza do some posts. It was very exciting. I believe that Femie-side was touched by all of the Holiday good-will and may have even cried as he got in touch with his feminine side.
Vlad the Movie Critic
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:16:10 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
OH! Now I get the 'are there two in the house?' thing!

SMACK again! lol

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:16:00 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Capt O - SMACK! Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh... you know, that's what I was afraid people would think... but I love the name Jezah... so :op!

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:13:37 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh, my bad, I thought it might be short for Jezebel.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:08:36 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Jezzi is just a nick for Jezah. I thought I made the name up, but recently found out it means 'miracle' in Pakistani... Pretty cool. The first time I did a search for it, it came up with nothing. But then I used Google recently and found out about the miracle meaning. :o]

I was relieved it didn't mean Satan or something. lol

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:05:34 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


OK Ok..."yes SHE is...yes SHE is"...
Vlad (I hate Joe Lieberman)
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 12:04:53 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
What is Jezzi short for? Are there two in the house **duck and run**?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:57:05 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Dungeons and Dragons?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:53:15 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Vlad - the kitty with all the toes is a she... the giant black 20 pounder is the he.

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:53:01 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ok... gotta ask... what is D&D?

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:51:52 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Da kittie is just the cutest widdle ting. yes he is...yes he is...

LOTR is very exciting and has brilliant special effects, but popping the loud D&D loser-geek in the back of the head with the cup of ice was my favorite part. Since I got escorted out, I still need to go back and see how it ends. It was worth it, though.

Vlad the Holiday Barbarian
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:48:56 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Good morning, Vlad, how are you?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:46:59 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Thanks MominNoCa, Lucianne.com is great for posting and reading news/commentary, but the staff is very intolerant of posters bantering back and forth. In fact, I have been kicked-off of there several times. (One of their staff weenies, Gray Bear, took a real disliking to me and would look for any excuse to drop me from their rolls.) I haven't seen him on there in a while and hope he is gone for good. He was really a wierdo. (Good riddance to Gray Skunk, I bet he was not even a real Indian) So Carolyn's guestbook is where I like to go when I feel "chatty".
Junior Sample (aka Vlad)
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:43:54 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Furror? lol I meant furor... LOL I was thinking of my kitty... :o]

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:33:58 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Not yet... but I'm going to have to hold out until some of the furror dies down... cuz I HATE crowds... :o] And I don't want a Vlad experience. So I will pick a day when the theatre will be almost empty and go then... I'm not sure I can wait THAT long though... :o]

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:32:44 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy, did you buy your tickets yet? I'm watching it 3 times consecutively!
Ted
Minas Tirith, USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:28:12 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
OOOOoooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh... Wednesday, the 19th is getting closer... I have my elven cloak ready!

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:23:05 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Aaron - Dan Blather said Clinton was an honest man????? Say HUH????

You know, most of the screaming liberals I know at least admit he's dishonest... they just jump to the ole, it doesn't matter, private life... etc... Of course, I say, WHAT PRIVATE LIFE?!? UNDER OATH... OVAL OFFICE... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH...

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:18:03 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Vlad, isn't my kitty one of the cuuuuuutest kitties you've ever seen? Did you see the one with all the toes? lol

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:15:28 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I read at Lucianne and a couple of other places, but this is the only place I post. I don't have the time to keep up with more than one place. Although I wanted to hit the abortion site Pook told me about at some point.

Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:13:49 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.148.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I cannot discuss Dan Blather in polite company, as I tend to get hostile, and violent.....oh no....it's happening....better go....GRRRRRR
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 02:41:08 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Junior Sample! Love your posts! They're hilarious!
mominNoCA
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 02:36:57 (EST) from dial-028.arc-01.lodinet.com
Hey Joy,
Do you ever lurk or post on Lucianne.com?
That is one of my favorite sites. (of course "Carolyn's Little World" is my #1 Favorite and tied with "Joy's Kittie and Bird Menagerie")

If you do post on Lucianne.com; what UserId are you posting under? (Mine is Jr. Sample @ BR549)

Vlad
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 01:28:55 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I suspected that he was on drugs when he was doing those bogus lame fake-folksy analogies during the 2000 election coverage. I can't stand that panty-waist trying to act like he is some kind of rural humorist philosopher. He is extremely phoney.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 01:23:51 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Joy - I've thought Dan Rather should retire ever since he told Bill O'Reilly that Clinton was an honest man.
Aaron
CO USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 01:00:22 (EST) from dialup-63.211.244.237.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Joy, that is an unbelievable quote.
It sounds like he is on the same drugs that Helen Thomas is taking.
I saw an article on Lucianne.com that told about the Marine Corps not letting Dan Blather tag along to Base Rhino, near Khandahar. So poor Dan just came home. Boohoo.
Many people don't realize that Dan washed-out of Marine Corps bootcamp back in th

Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:53:42 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
(that should be "dong")
Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:48:11 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Shut your f-cking face, unclef-cka!
Terrence & Philip
Blame, Canada - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:47:33 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
Femicide is much like a dose of clap;
before he arrives, it is pleasure. But afterwards, it's a pain in the don

Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:46:25 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Well, if this quote doesn't take it... I think it's time Danny boy retires...

"If you believe that this is really Osama Bin Laden and not one of his many doubles ..."
- Dan Rather while showing the tape on CBC News special report.

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:46:14 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Don't wanna live all by myself.
Eric Carmen
Haz, BN - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:45:24 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUCK MY BALLS, MR. GARRISON?!
Eric Cartman
South Park, CO - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:43:37 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
Dude you need to lay off the cough syrup. Seriously.

Dammit I'm not fat, I'm big boned...respect my authoritaah
Eric 'Beefcake' Cartman
SouthPark, CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:40:47 (EST) from pm01-s23.donet.com


By the way, Joy, nobody's given me a tribunal and burned me at the stake. You're thinking of Joan Van Ark.
Fox
- Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:30:15 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
That Lewis Carroll was one cool dude!
Fox
- Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:25:14 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Heh heh heh...Femiroid is back...that's a cool name....heh heh heh...cool..What is it that relieves the painful itching?
Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:23:19 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
You see, the human brain is like an enormous fish, it is flat and slimey and has gills through which it can see...When one of these "gills" fails to open, the signals sent via the autonomic nervous system can't reach the brain...It's as simple as that.
Bill Nye the Acid Guy
Ellis Dee, USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:21:33 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Femecide the only thing we have proven is that you are a jackass and a misogynist who blathers on endlessly about nothing.
Aaron
CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:20:32 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Caterpillars are insects, belonging to the class Insecta. They have three pairs of true legs and several pairs of abdominal fleshy 'prolegs' armed with hooks.
Bill Nye
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:18:49 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Now that your 'point' has been proven... please feel free to LEAVE...

Or is your life that pathetic that you need to be here... never mind... that's obvious...

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:18:31 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Bart, he would probably enjoy that.
Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:18:11 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
WAIT...The Caterpillar in "Alice In Wonderland" DOES have 6 legs...but he also has 6 arms! I guess the arms don't count as legs. Oh, well...I'll just go ask Alice when she's 10 feet tall...
Fox
- Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:18:09 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Fox, eat my shorts.
Bart Simpson
Springfield, USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:17:49 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Yes-in-deedly-doodly!
Ned Flanders
Springfield, USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:17:02 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Fox - haven't they held your Tribunal yet and burned you at the stake?

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:16:56 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Does this "Carolyn" person know that her guestbook is being used as a recepticle for filth and perversion of the most prurient kind?
It is vile and vulgar.

Jimmy Swaggart
Shreveport , LA USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:16:28 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I rest my case. You have all proven my point for me.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:15:59 (EST) from adsl-20-144-248.mem.bellsouth.net
My earlier post subtly alludes to the anatomy of insects.
Vlad the Entymolygist
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:13:03 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Greetings Earthlings...I'm Space Ghost.
Are you getting enough oxygen?

Space Ghost
Ghost Planet, Outer Space - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:11:29 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Vlad, did you ever see that "Bill Nye The Science Guy" episode about insects? Several times during that episode it is stated that an insect always has 6 legs. No more, no less. But Nye listed the caterpillar as an insect! Last I knew of, a caterpillar has more than 6 legs!
Fox
- Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:10:55 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Sadly, I don't watch enough Southpark to keep this going very long.
My favorite episode is when the anti-Christ attends their school

Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:09:43 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I think so Vlad... I can just see them fighting over it too... like they fight over the remote...

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:09:36 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
(that's Mr. Hand... Mr. Hanky is the Christmas poo...)

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:06:45 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I noticed how Beavis and Butthead had the same IP on many of their posts...does that mean that they were using the same PC?
Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:06:33 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Well... there's ONE person on this board who makes sense. And I even like the name... femecide... the rest are a bunch of hippie freaks!

Cartman
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:06:05 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Pssssst...hey, guess what...Mr. Hanky is not real...he's only a puppet.
Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:04:58 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
who the f#$% is Vlad?
His name sounds like he's a commie.

Cartman
Southpark, CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:03:45 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Vlad - the IP looks the same. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Aaron
CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:02:24 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Red Rocket...Red Rocket....Red Rocket!!!
Stan
Southpark, CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:02:20 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Baaaaaaarrrrrf!

Stan
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:00:41 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
That's right, little orange coated dude...that is sooooo right.
Charles Manson
Southpark, CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:00:20 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hi Staaaaaaaaan... Look... I baked you a pie in an attempt to manipulate you somehow...

Wendy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:59:42 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hmmmph rphmmmmph...gphrmmpgh rphhmmmfmp
Kenny
Southpark, CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:59:24 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Who you think your talkin' to, you little sh!t???
Chef
Southpark, CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:58:27 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
You know... I think we've learned something today. No matter how bitter, tired and washed up someone is... they're deserving of our pity. Don't you think so Mr. Hanky?

Stan
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:57:46 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
That is incorrect...feminids are in FACT in the arachnid family since they possess eight legs instead of six.
Characteristics of instects include having three body parts which include; the head, thorax, and abdomen...AND they must have SIX legs to be an insect.
Whereas, feminids have a combined head and abdomen with no thorax and eight legs. Feminids also have multiple compound eyes for seeing around corners.

Vlad the Entemologist
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:56:17 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
HEY! You... YOu get your bitch asses back in the kitchen! And bake me a PIE!

YOu ... YOU go knit me a sweater!

Cartman
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:54:50 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


You guys are idiots...don't you know they're too BIG to flush down the toilet? Julia Roberts isn't even that skinny.
Cartman
Southpark, CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:52:56 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Who ARE these guys? They sound just like femenid. Hey Vlad, isn't a femenid an insect? :o]

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:52:21 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ooops! I jumped over to Rightgirl and checked....It WAS the real Feminoid....eeeegads!
Now the guestbook has been contaminated..yeeeeeeghh!

Vlad the mistaken
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:51:19 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Yeh... heh heh heh... like, I hate women... heh heh... like... I just want to get sum... he heh heh... like... score... he heh heh...

Yeah Beavis... women suck... huh huh huh... they're like turds... huh huh huh... just want to, like... uhhhhhhhhhhh... flush em down the toilet... huh huh huh... yeah... flush em... but after I score... huh huh huh...

Yeh... heh heh... AFTER we score... heh heh... then... like... flush em... heh heh... down the toilet! heh heh.. yeh... FLUSH EM! FLUSH EM! heh heh heh...

Beavis & Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:50:30 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Of course not, Joy. Besides, your IP is different.
Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:48:30 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Don't look at me... I couldn't make that crap up if I tried...

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:46:03 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I don't believe that was the real "femecide" that posted below. It wasn't paranoid, rambling, and delusional enough. Plus, it didn't take up an entire screen. Nice try though.
Who would like to claim responsibility?

Vlad the Skeptic
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:43:26 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Beep! Beep!
R. Runner (esq)
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:39:15 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Oooh...I wuv puddy!
Tweety
- Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:30:09 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Heh heh heh...that article is too long and there aren't any pictures...so does she eat her baby, or what?...heh heh heh
Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:29:18 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Heh heh heh....yeah, fire's cool...cool...heh heh heh....
Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:27:47 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Looks like Femenid has good company...

Go Here for an excellent article on baby killers.

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:26:19 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Hey Butthead.. it's like... not working... he heh heh... FIRE!

Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:23:01 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Yeah... like... GROW... yeah, huh huh huh... yeah...

Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:20:33 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hehe heh... I think it makes it like... grow dude... Cool... FIRE! Hehe heh he yeh...

Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:18:32 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Whoaa dude... my weeners burning too... huh huh huh... what kind of creme is that? huh huh... Huh... FIRE! huh huh... Uhhhhhhhhh... huh huh huh... hi-lee vo...li...tle... to-x-ic ..con...tact w-i-th skin... wi-ll cauuse se-v-ere bur-ns... ... huh huh... what does to-x-ic mean Beavis? huh huh huh... Uhhhhhhhhhh...

Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:16:46 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Yeah! SCORE! SCORE! he heh heh... yeh... with hot chics... heh he heh...

Hey Butthead... my... like... he heh... weener is starting to burn... heh heh heh... like what's in this creme? Heh heh heh... yeh...

FIRE! FIRE! heh heh... AAEEEEEIIII fire!

Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:05:08 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Yeah... maybe now we'll score... huh huh huh...

Like maybe that femenoidal dude knows where the... like, hot chics hang out... huh huh huh... we're gonna score... yeah...

Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 22:03:04 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Hey...Butthead...heh heh...like don't use all of the femicidal creme...heh heh...it helps shrink the swelling and control itching of feminoidal tissues...heh heh heh..that's cool...heh heh.
Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:59:48 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Yeah...heh heh heh....like, use some femicidal lubricant to get rid of them...heh heh...cool..
Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:56:42 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Yeah teen spirit rules... huh huh huh... like, femenoids itch too dude... huh huh... yeah... huh huh huh...

Hey Beavis, quick bogarting the creme dude... huh huh huh...

Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:56:05 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Oh yeah... heh heh heh... They smell... he heh... you said nads... heh heh heh... yeh... Smells like teen spirit... he heh heh... Teen spirit rules...

Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:52:22 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
No dude.. you get like... femenids on your nads... huh huh huh... they like... smell man... huh huh huh...

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:50:41 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
He heh... didn't like, Nirvana do, like... a song about femenids... yeh, he heh heh... yeh... aren't those, like... insects dude? Femenids... heh heh heh...
Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:48:02 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Huh huh huh... yeah... like femenoidal creme would, like... help those dude... huh huh huh... yeah... femenoids... huh huh huh...

Butthead
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:43:24 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Heh heh... he said femenoid... heh heh... yeh... like, femenoids rule! Heh heh he... Butthead! Come quick! They're like, showing a femenoid on the internet! He heh... yeh... Quick!

Beavis
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:42:21 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Feme - Wow... such wit... even your insults are ooooooooooooold, tired and boring...

It must really suck to be you.

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:35:54 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.119.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Oh and by the way, we are adults, that's why we left you in control of the "Sandbox".
Aaron
CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:22:55 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
No actually it was more fun laughing to your face. But that was getting old. As for juvenile, I'm afraid you've got that market cornered.
Aaron
CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:22:06 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Yep, figures all the kiddies have a place to hang out and drool over the fake femecide post like clones of Bevis and Butthead. Not too surprising. I suppose you had to have some place to post the moronic, adolescent penis "jokes" and other juvenile crap. At least I know where the Bafoons-R-Us club meets now. I guess it's more fun to snicker behind someone's back. I thought some of you might actually be adults. My mistake.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:13:58 (EST) from adsl-20-144-148.mem.bellsouth.net
ONN - Me thinks lithium will help...

(does anyone get that post?)

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 20:14:32 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.62.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Today is a sad anniversary. It was 3 years ago that the Hogwart's Massacre occurred. At approximately 8:45 A.M. that day, two students stalked the halls of Slytherin House at Hogwart's School Of Witchcraft & Wizardry with wands in hand. They shouted "Voldemort is great!" while zapping anyone who got in their way. Their rampage continued until they turned the wands on themselves. When it was all over, 8 students were dead, including the two perpetrators and a courageous young lad who refused to renounce his belief in Santa Claus. A search of the boys' dorm room revealed several black magic-related items including books, potions, formulas, spells, and music lyrics. Authorities said many of these items can be obtained on the Internet. It is still not known if the evil wizard Voldemort had anything to do with that incident, but authorities say they have strong evidence linking Voldemort to the recent destruction of the Two Towers in Middle Earth.
O.N.N. (Otherworldly News Network)
Prydain - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 19:20:29 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
Hey Cap'n, where you been, lately.
Have you been chasin' those kitties around the worksite?

Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 17:57:00 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad, that is a great website!!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 17:17:47 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hey, take a look at this:
www.gopfun.com/911pictures/mamaliberty.jpg

Vlad the Librarian
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 16:05:54 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Al Qeida??? What do you mean?
I thought they said we were fighting for Ralph Nader...

Johnny Walker
Camp Rhino, Afghanistan - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 14:56:59 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
The festives for the rest of us!
Lem
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 14:45:17 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Has everyone put-up their Festivus pole?
LET THE FEATS OF STRENGTH, BEGIN!!!

Vlad Costanza
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 14:33:20 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad,Jr. couldn't wait to go to school in hopes that the ignorant barbaric Sand-people would make some feeble attempt. It was so cute the way he was sharpening his sword and carving wooden stakes for impaling his Moorish captives.
Vlad the Crusader
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 14:20:20 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad, that movie theater skirmish...nice...hasn't everyone wanted to do that...you're living out a dream. Well, now I guess the terrorists are going to attack an elementary school here in Texas next monday (day after Rama..dum)...I believe I'm going to hold my daughter out of school that day even though they're saying not to, so I guess they win...bastards, want to kill our children...bastards. If they kill our kids at school we need to nukem, period, we can't live like this.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 13:18:30 (EST) from 63.221.109.186
It seems odd to me that Osama would be so blatant about his role in the attacks. Of course, that tape was not supposed to be recovered. Wow.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 11:46:37 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Re: the value of someone with Down's syndrome or any other person called disabled. A beautiful, beautiful, unforgettable book on the subject is The Power of the Powerless by Christopher Da Vinck. There are no words I can use to prepare you for how moving it is. For those who like gospel stories, also remember from John, Jesus healing the boy born blind. ^^Whose sin is it,^^ the disciples want to know, ^^that this boy was born blind. His sin or his parent's sin?^^ Jesus replies, ^^Neither. This happened so that the glory of God might be revealed.^^ He then heals the boy.
Adam
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 11:32:48 (EST) from gate.timeinc.com
Right now the sonofabitch is looking at booty recovered from the helicoptor we lost early on.
Chuck
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 11:13:36 (EST) from A010-0040.CLMB.splitrock.net
Interesting surfing news channels today. At the same time, Fox was showing footage of the war, MSNBC was hyping the upcoming tape release, and cnn was having a discussion of the finer legal points of the USA searching for bin laden. Guess who I go to for news?
Chuck
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 10:55:50 (EST) from A010-0040.CLMB.splitrock.net
They're releasing the bin laden tape at 11:00am today,,,,, Don't miss it!
Chuck
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 10:53:00 (EST) from A010-0040.CLMB.splitrock.net
Well, I won't do that again. Just use the old fashioned method.
Matt
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 02:25:03 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Sorry, I meant click the link NEXT to my name.....
Matt
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 02:23:10 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
For the internet e-mail journal The Federalist click my name.

On another topic, I have an Uncle with Down's- he is in his early forties, and he very much deserved to have been born!
Matt <http://www.federalist.com/>
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 02:21:32 (EST) from 199.38.133.55


For anyone interested, check out the site www.laissez-fairerepublic.com. It's basically a vault of knowledge, essays, links, etc. A great all around website.
Aaron
CO USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 00:30:54 (EST) from dialup-64.156.34.64.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
I don't know Sue. I have a friend who had a Down's child and she was the happiest child I've ever known. She is with the Lord now, but was a joy while she was alive. And there's no doubt in my mind she herself was happy.

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 23:36:21 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.155.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Re: Yow! (the Christian Science Monitor Article): Attitudes like that are scary. My kid's cleaning her room right now. How can anyone call himself/herself a human being and say that Down's kids (or any kids) are worthless?
Sue
Lodi, CA USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 23:31:37 (EST) from dial-166.arc-01.lodinet.com
RAD! Do not insult critters! :o]

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 23:09:53 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.155.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Melissa Congress-critter works too
Rad_still_in_a_really_goofy_mood
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 21:19:33 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
You can call me Ray, you can call me Jay...
Ray J. Johnson
- Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 20:54:24 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
Vlad, does it really matter, dude, if I refer to Bob Schaffer as a Congressperson, Congressman, or Congress-creature? The point is that the CPC's need help. As a Famous Actress once said: "You can call me anything, as long as you call me!"
Melissa
Philly, USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 20:07:12 (EST) from 0-1pool157-167.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Hey Carolyn,
Why does Marvin need a car when he already has a spaceship

Rad_in_a_really_goofy_mood
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 20:02:03 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Well if there are any other LOTR geeks out there, I have purchased advance tickets for the Dec. 19th showings at:

12:30

4:15

8:00 (yes, Virginia, that's 9 consecutive hours of movie watching)

Now all I have to do is somehow make time move forward...

Ted
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 14:28:11 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


Here you go, Rad:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/sports/stories_front/digest_20011212.htm

Ted
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 13:31:21 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


Memo
 
The northern alliance seems more interested in quitting rather than completely disabling the Taliban’s ability to fight THEM another day. Not too swift, the northern alliance. No wonder the Taliban continues, despite the bombing, to run rings around them. It is as thou these are the guys that didn’t make the Taliban’s cut.
 
They remind me of Roadrunner’s wily coyote, despite all of acmes resources being brought to bear on his behalf, wily keeps missing the prize.
 
I don’t mean to sound ungrateful. However, if we are going to talk about military tribunals, death penalty bla bla bla, we better make d*m sure we go get some bad guys ourselves.

Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 11:19:47 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Ted ya wouldn't happen to have a link for that article would ya?
Rad
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 11:09:31 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Why lawyers are the root of evil:

Player's parent sues coach

UNION CITY -- The father of a James Logan High School sophomore seeks $1.5 million in damages and the dismissal of the school's basketball coach after his son didn't make the varsity.
Lynn Rubin sued the New Haven Unified School District on Nov. 27 because his son, Jawaan, was told to return to the junior varsity after being asked to try out for varsity.
The family had rearranged its schedules to accommodate the varsity team's practice times, the suit said.
Coach Blake Chong, who cited a policy limiting sophomores to JV when he cut Jawaan Rubin, didn't consult with the parents before cutting their son, according to the suit. After Jawaan confronted Chong about the decision, he was dropped from the JV team, the suit said.
Chong refused comment Monday.
Rubin's older son, Janou, starred under Chong at James Logan and is a sophomore guard at UCLA. The father said he calculated the damages based on potential wages lost from his son's possible pro career.

Ted
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 10:49:21 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


Congressperson???
I think Bob is a CongressMAN...
(sorry, I couldn't resist)

Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 10:24:43 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
The Congressperson sponsoring House Resolution 302 is Bob Schaffer (R-CO). Please write or phone today!
Melissa
Phillly, USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 08:57:27 (EST) from 170.115.249.14
Hi, RAD, good to see your site again. I like the new look. I was looking for it the other day but I didn't put the hyphen in the URL.
Conservaphobic <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 02:25:31 (EST) from 89-pool2.ras10.casnc.tii-dial.net
Rad - EXCELLENT WEBSITE!!! I'll sign it when I get some time. I want to make it a lengthy entry. But by far the best conservative website I have seen. The "Why I am a Conservative" is AWESOME!
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 23:40:37 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Never mind! I found it! :o\

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 22:13:12 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.24.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ahhhhhh sheesh... Now I can't find the guestbook... I looked at about 50,000 pages there... give me a hint... :o]

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 22:11:47 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.24.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Wow Rad. Impressive site! I will go back now and answer all those questions in the guestbook! lol I didn't want to fill it out if it wasn't you... :o]

Sheeeeesh, we agree on almost everything... 'cept the method of death for child molesters... I think the acid bath would interfere with the effect of the bees... how about the bees first... THEN the acid bath... to soak into the bee stings you know... :o]

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 22:04:50 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.24.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Saw that article yesterday Mike
I nearly went through the roof

Dead Rad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 22:02:22 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
AHhhhh shucks... the daily bandwidth has been exceeded at the LOTR poll site where they show the countdown! :o[

Sniff... how many more minutes?!?!? Sheeeeeesh...

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 22:00:49 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.24.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


"Hey Rad! Do you have a site called Radical-Conservative?" yes I do
Dead Rad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 22:00:00 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Go Here for a funny funny interview between Bill O'Reilly, Geraldine Ferraro and Dan Frisa... lol

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 21:20:56 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.24.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hey Rad! Do you have a site called Radical-Conservative?

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 21:18:12 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.24.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Unbelievable. The irony is that this decision would never have been made if those three judges had never been born.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 20:11:14 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
yow
mike <mike@akacooties.com>
hamilton, on canada - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 19:55:18 (EST) from HSE-Hamilton-ppp291440.sympatico.ca
Vlad - Are you yanking my chain?? I got thrown out of a movie theater once. My GF and I got caught doing something. They threatened to call the police. We ran like hell outta there. Ahh to be 19 again.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 19:07:59 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Peggy Noonan rocks. Joy - I too freaked out when I saw the name "Femecide". I was about to go off on him.....until I finished reading the post. Funny, the fake femecide's post is smarter and to the point than all of the real femecide's posts put together! (and with much less rambling).
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 19:04:11 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Ok....I just got to see an advance showing of Lord of the Rings and I thought that it was really pretty good.
One thing that annoyed me about the showing of this movie was the numerous amount of dorks in the audience.
During the film they all kept chatting to each other about "inconsistencies" and bu!!sh$t like that.
Hey, I was just happy to be seeing a movies with a halfway decent story and really good special effects.
One of the little snot-faced geeks in particualar, kept nattering to his loser D&D buddies during the whole movie. I got really sick of hearing him, so I beaned him in the back of the head with a cup of ice.
He whined to the management, so they stopped the movies and I was escorted out. Bunch of snot-laced panzies!
I rate this movie: Four Frozen Luggies

Vlad the Movie Critic
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 17:16:54 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Goooooolllleeey...Pook, where abouts do you live? Biggst town near us is Mt Pilot.
Gomer
Mayberry, SC USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 16:23:11 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
LOTR tickets go on sale for me tomorrow! This geek will be short on some $$$...Vlad, Capt. Obvious -- how many tix y'all want?

Ted
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 16:11:44 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
I live kinda near Milwaukee....of course, I live kinda near Chicago too.

Who am I kidding...this town is Mayberry!! :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:57:32 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Did you go to the area where they filmed Laverne & Shirley??
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:48:54 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I just flew in and out of Milwaukee. I did that so I could spend 4 days in Lomira. I am just a font of knowledge, amen't I?
Adam
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:48:13 (EST) from gate.timeinc.com
Does this guy know how to party, or what?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:44:15 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I did not know that....
Hey it's been a while since I watched it. Sorry.

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:43:17 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad, the "I was not aware of that" and "Milwuakee" discussion are all in the same scene.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:40:39 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hey, guess what...Biff showed-up on Rightgrrl last night.
He must have complete his internship at Clintoon's Harlem office.

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:34:42 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
No Nick, I've never been there before.
Why do you ask?

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:31:58 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
It is a proven fact that kids in the back seat cause accidents, just as accidents in the backseat cause kids.
Potzee Cunningham
Milwaukee, WI USA back in the Good ole days - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:27:54 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I was completely unaware of that...

Hey, Vlad, do you visit Miluakee often?
Capt. Garth
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:20:34 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Thanks Adam,
I did not know that...did you know that, Garth?

Vlad's World
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:17:12 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
%$@#*&'em pesky brats! I need a drink.
Captain Kangaroo
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:05:27 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
In my case, it was more like "rupture" than "rapture".
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:03:24 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Actually, it was Shakespeare, not Wilde who wrote ^^Brevity is the soul of wit.^^ With true Shakespearian irony, Shakespeare puts this into the mouth of one of his most garrulous characters, Polonius.
Adam
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 14:50:20 (EST) from gate.timeinc.com
What? Did rapture hit and no one told the fat kid as usual?
Capt. Oblivious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 14:41:55 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Holy cow...now there are two kittens back there...quick, where's my .45??

Good morning, Pook!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 13:19:53 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Good morning all! :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 12:28:42 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com
Take a look at this, if you want to see what Victoria has been up to:
www.nationalreview.com/daily/nr121101.shtml

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:31:44 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"Remember, brevity is the soul of wit."
Oscar Wilde
Sussex, England - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:27:52 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Anyone could clearly see that it was not a post from the real "Femicide", because it was not long, rambling, and repetitious enough. When it didn't even take up the entire screen, you should have known that it was an imposter.
Sort of like an Insanorator post that doesn't even mention "miners".

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:25:44 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"only one vote per customer".

Maybe we should use that website for our next presidential election?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:24:12 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Oh darn, it won't let me vote anymore.
There must have been someone who voted at the same time I did. It sure felt like I had voted twice.
Too bad, only one vote per customer, not like Chicago.
What are the demonrats...ergh, I mean democrats going to do?

Vlad the Palm Beach County Voter
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:22:06 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Man, Joy...potty mouth!! I actually wanted to say about the same thing. When I saw that, I about fell over.

Fished In!!
Capt. O
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:20:57 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


G'morning, Joy!
Just go down to Ted's 10:40AM post and click on the word; "something". It is a LOTR poll.

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:18:29 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
OOOh, I found it! Thanks Ted! :o]

I should have known they'd actually post a countdown! Now when I ask, "How many more minutes?" I'll have an answer! :o]

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:17:41 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.35.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


There is no danger of him posting here.
I have just treated this guestbook with femicidal foam.

Dr. Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:17:06 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
What poll? I wanna vote!

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:15:27 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.35.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
VLAD - I'm about to KICK YOUR ASS! lol You gave me a HEART ATTACK when I saw 'femecide' in your post below! GGGEeeeeeeeeeezz!!!! Thank God for URL's!

Just say NO to femecide!

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:13:37 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.35.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


It won't let me vote again....shucks!
Capt. O
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:13:10 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hey, the poll just let me vote again. Now there are three of us.
This could be fun...just like the old precinct 13 ballot box down in Duval County, Texas.
Yeeehaaah!
Bill Daily must be running this poll.

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:08:27 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey, I think that guy teaches at our school.
Kenny
Southpark, CO USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:04:33 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Nick, you should not insult me like that. You people all hate me and make fun of me, merely because I was born without a d!ck and enjoy blowing goats. That is not fair. Just because I have views that are different from yours is no need to act mean and say bad things about me. Now I must go and sulk and draw diagrams of dismembered women in my diary.
Femicide
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:56:22 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
wow, Vlad...not at all??

Ted
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:53:05 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
ROFL!!!! Vlad, I was the other vote!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:52:38 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I took the LOTR poll...sadly, I am in the 2% category.
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:51:32 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I know this goes without saying, but may I suggest that we don't even allude to this guestbook from over there. That's all we need is Feme over here.

Just a suggestion, though.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:51:13 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


The Feminoid is back to his old tricks on the Rightgrrl guestbook.
His obsessive-compulsive behavior still has be convinced that he IS Carlos.
His intentional avoidance of discussing miners is only a clever trick.

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:49:56 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Great article, Joy! I love Peggy Noonan!

Ted
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:43:29 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
For those of you who are rabidly anticipating the LOTR...here's something for you...
Ted
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:40:17 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Another good article Here.

Good morning Lem! Good morning everyone!

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:34:21 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.35.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Good morning, I hope everyone here tuned in the anthem.
Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 09:03:44 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Happy Festivus to everyone!!!
Frank Costanza
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:49:23 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Katie - you have a good point in that teen births need to be measured along with teen abortions. Obviously, if births go down while abortions skyrocket, then not much good can be taken from that. However; if both decline, that is good.

Good point.
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:30:38 (EST) from dialup-63.211.240.158.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


A question about statistics: how is it considered "good news" for chastity when the rate of teen births have gone down? That would suggest to me, just that more teenagers have parents and boyfriends willing to pay for their abortions these days. I get so confused. How do they calculate these things, anyway? Even if they added up all the teen abortions and teen births, that doesn't account for miscarriages or babies that get dumped in dumpsters. And how many of these statistics reflect people who married and had kids in their late teens, who certainly don't fit the teen mom profile? One of my friends from college is 21 with a 2 1/2 year old daughter. She was already married when her daughter was born, and had been making marriage preparations by the time she found out she was pregnant. That's certainly different from your average 15-year-old mother.

I'm not really saying anything, but I've seen absitnence/chastity advocates jump on "less teen births" and I don't think it means anything. Speaking from my own experience, there were twice as many rumoured pregnancies as there were teen moms in my mostly white, most-upper-middle-class high school.

I did read an article the other day that basically criticized the U.S. for having more teen parents than Europe because teenagers in Europe were more "educated" about "reproductive options". It doesn't take a genius to get the point of that little article - more sex ed classes so more people can get the abortions they "need" to get. I feel pity for those European girls who actually have the scruples to avoid what they "need".


Katie
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:08:36 (EST) from AC9E37A4.ipt.aol.com


I love Mother Teresa i am doing a report on her. I think abortion is very bad it is so stupid to kill ur own child. My mother has almost every book on Mother Teresa . She is so awesome. well bYe
Casey <magictommygirl13@hotmail.com>
Forsyth, MO USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 18:32:26 (EST) from 1Cust175.tnt2.branson.mo.da.uu.net
Joy, although the teen pregancy rate in the country as a whole is declining, in Philly, it's actually increasing. And we also have the "honor" of having the 3rd highest chalymidia (sp?) rate in the nation. And this in a city where 1) they pass our condoms in high schools and 2) Sex-ed programs stressing abstinence were banned from public schools because they promoted a "religious" message. Hmm . . . is something wrong with this picture (and remember, I'm not a knee-jerk conservative . . .)
Melissa
Philly, USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 18:23:33 (EST) from hhcampuslink4.OSIS.UPENN.EDU
AAAAAAHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... >^..^<

I like cute widdle kitties... :o]

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:52:12 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.197.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Awwwwwww, a cute wittle kitty...
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:47:09 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Well, Vlad, a total of six rodents were killed in my little area around here. I haven't seen any in about a week.

Then, I came in this morning and looked behind a pipe that leads into the floor and I see the huge grey fur ball. I was flat scared...the thing was HUGE for a rat!! Then it looked at me...it was a stinkin' kitten! I couldn't believe it. If you saw where I work, you wouldn't believe it, either. So, hope that answers your question: got rid of the rats, now there's a cat hunt (it went under the floor).

Average Whatever to everyone!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:42:55 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


NO NO Nooooo!
He's alright....Aren't you, boy?

,-._,-.
\/)"(\/
.(_O_)
...************Wuff Wuff!
See, he's OK. He was just rolling over and playing dead.
Good Boy!

Vlad (just kidding)
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:27:08 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Here is something that will offend the rest...a dead puppy:
,-.___,-.
\/)xx(\/
.(__O_)
.. U..***********blah!

Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:24:11 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Only 99%???
What's wrong with the rest of them?
Are they becoming de-sensitized to my offensive behavior???

Now begin...the Festivus - FEATS OF STREGNTH!!!

Vlad the Holiday Barbarian
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:20:29 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
WELL! I NEVER!

You conservative barbarian! You don't even CARE that you are offending 99 % of the population! Hee hee...

:oD

Joy the PC Police
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:14:48 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.197.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Well, I say SCREW'EM!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

Vlad the Holiday Barbarian
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:45:36 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Well, mediocre almost looks like 'medical' which could offend those that don't have health care coverage, and it also looks like 'medicare' which could offend those that have to choose between eating and buying prescription drugs that aren't covered.

Ted
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:38:59 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
But "mediocre whatever" may offend happy people AND sad people... HOW DARE YOU!

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:38:30 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
HAPPY FESTIVUS, EVERYBODY!!!
Frank Costanza
Queens, NY USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:37:03 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oh no, I didn't think of that.
I hope that no one was offended.

Let's change it to "Mediocre Whatever".


Vlad the Contrite
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:35:57 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Are you sure that you can use the word "Happy"? Won't that be offensive to those who are diagnosed with clinical depression? That's a pretty big risk you're taking there, Vlad.
Ted
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:32:43 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
ALRIGHT!!!THAT DOES IT....NO SOUP FOR YOU!
Soup Nazi
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:21:04 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
...anyway...
John
Houston, Texas USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:04:34 (EST) from 63.221.109.186
In order to prevent offending people who may be agnostic, gay, transexual, bi-sexual, communist, lititgious, paranoid, or just plain easily-offended because they are stoopid; we should all refrain from using the phrase "Happy Holidays".
Since it could be contrued to mean "Holy"-days, which has a religious connotation.
So from now on, the proper PC greeting is: "Happy Whatever".
Thank You.
This has been your PC Sensitivity Indoctrination Lesson for today.
Hail Big Brother...
Reistance is futile...you shall be assimilated...conform...conform...conform

Vlad the Politically Correct
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 16:00:20 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey RP (repub Pook),
That is so sweet, I have decided to send you a puppy:

,-.__,-.
\/)"(\/
.(_O_)......woof woof


Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 15:49:44 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hi Osama,
Could you please give us your exact latitude and longitude. I have a nice Ramadan present that I would like to send to you.
Just wishing you a Happy Ram-a-dam-a-ding-dong!

Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 15:46:07 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I like you site, these days the only fun I get is to sign other peoples guest books as I surf the web. I cannot take much more of the bombing falling over my head in the cave, and I have to move from cave to cave so often that my surfing time is being reduced. Whats this I hear now? It sounds like gunfire, its at my door, the door is opening, its ALMIGHTY ALLAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Osama bin Laden <osama.binladen@taliban.com>
Cave 5, Afghanistan - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 15:41:00 (EST) from inktomi2-man.server.ntl.com
LOL Vlad....

The "Repunklican" part of my name is (obviously) a play on "Republican." It's a term my friend Czerina and I came up with in high school.

Pook (and the endless variations he comes up with) is my hubby's pet name for me. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 15:40:11 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Since I am somewhat new here, could someone please inform me as to what is a "pook"?
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 15:28:23 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey Nick,
Did you ever take care of that warehouse rodent problem? If you continued with those live-traps Richard Gere would probably be interested in a pet adoption program.

Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 15:26:20 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
At 3:04 PM EST I estimate that if the 1st showing of LOTR is at 11:00 AM EST on the 19th, there are 12716 minutes remaining.

If you would like to read a pretty exciting account from someone who has seen a good amount of footage, check out this article.

Ted
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 15:04:57 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


Whaz up Chuck.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:55:39 (EST) from 63.221.109.186
So where has Carlos been? I hope those miners are doing OK...
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:55:36 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey Chuck! I was going to post this morning asking where you were! You and John... and here both of you are. You two must have ESP.

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:53:38 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Me too Pook,

I don't post much but I read alot.
Chuck the quite
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:49:10 (EST) from A010-0148.CLMB.splitrock.net


I'll send a pic from my wedding after I get a chance to scan some in!

And yes, they're current....I just got married on October 6th! :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:48:32 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Not to usurp Carolyn's authority or anything... but if anyone wishes... they can send the pics to me and I'll make a temporary page for them and post the link.

I have much more time on my hands than Carolyn does. :o]

Joy <joymeister@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:44:51 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Hey did we ever get our pictures posted...no pressure. I think I can make a good run at "Best Looking Male Poster" heh, heh.
John
Houston, Texas USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:39:00 (EST) from 63.221.109.186
This is a job for Gandalf!

Damn! How many more minutes til LOTR?!?!?

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:25:34 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


I'm here every day.....I just don't post every day. :-)

But I'm always watching.....mwuah ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:22:08 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Ok, but we're gonna need a wizard to get by those pesky security guards...know of any good ones?
John
Houston, Texas USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:17:53 (EST) from 63.221.109.186
Oh, me too! I can't WAIT!!! But I am already getting upset that I won't be able to see the other two parts for 1 and 2 years respectively... I say we storm the studio!

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:12:47 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
LOTR...it's getting close...I'm getting giddy...
John
Houston, Texas USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:08:33 (EST) from 63.221.109.186
Oh John - You must have read that wrong... it's all the doctors fault! She's a wonderful woman... and he's husband of the year! No?

Too bad their children aren't alive to see them receive their awards! Those damn doctors!

Sarcasm off...

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 13:59:25 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


I hereby award "Idiot of the Year" to Mr. Russell Yates for his keen insight into post-partum depression and his general concern for the well-being of his 5 kids whom he knowingly placed in the care of his "sick" but wonderful wife. :(
John
Houston, Texas USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 13:47:34 (EST) from 63.221.109.186
But they would consider bin Laden, who crashed everyone's party for Man of the Year? That would be inconsistent. I believe we still have a shot. But if I am considered, I will boycott if you aren't also considered. Their loss.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 13:44:53 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Good try, Nick. But, I don't think Time magazine would ever consider me as a candidate for one of their awards. Especially after that time I crashed their Christmas party 12 years ago.
(earlier story, Refer to "Vlad's Pary Tips" By Vlad the Holiday Barbarian)

Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 13:40:55 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Adam,

I understand what you're saying, but that still doesn't make any sense. Well, actually it does. When you take CNN's stance on not wanting to call them 'terrorists' unless it's proven, not calling W President Bush (it's almost always Mr. Bush, yet they still call Clinton president Clinton) and refusing to 'take sides' by not wearing a flag pin or some other patriotic gesture, then you add in Ted Turner's pro-Castro/Communist mindset, then you can really see how Time came to that conclusion.

My opinion is that they pulled a Clinton by floating out the option of naming him, then waiting to see what the reaction would be before making up their minds (however small they may be)

Ted
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 12:57:24 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


1) Carolyn doesn't have the time to post as much anymore, Repunk isn't here very often. Joy on the other hand... :o] 2) No thanks. 3) If you are so keen on Time issues, how about Vlad and I getting a shot at the most beautiful people of the year next year??
Capt. Obvious
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 12:53:26 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Dear Friends: Just back from my business trip. Some random thoughts on what has been going on. 1) I think all the guys ought to shut up and turn the room over to Joy and Carolyn and Repunk. Everything they post is a gem. 2) Don't worry guys. We'll have a good time. Ted and I will take all the fellas to Hooters. 3) On a less serious note, I know a little about the process that goes into Time's Man of the Year pick. As a former Time employee, I did the magazine makeup for those issues for 4 years in a row (95-98). While I would be amazed if they actually picked bin Laden, it isn't an unreasonable choice given what their criteria are. Remember, they picked Hitler, Stalin and Khomeini. The idea is, who had the greatest effect on the news. (FYI, I have no idea who it is this year. This is not inside info. Just my take on it.)
Adam
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 12:42:55 (EST) from gate.timeinc.com
Joy: Eureka! proabort logic dumped and we can win! Ask france WHO decides abortion? Women. Virtually all proabort regimes cut the father off. So, it comes back to haunt them-if this bort culturism of France of children suing is so great an idea, its SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION against WOMEN, because are we going to allow the child to sue the father, who tends to have no legal votes? He can say he had no choice, and once he found out the baby was "deformed" he wanted abortion, but the woman wanted to keep the child or was prolife and wouldnt abort because she feels its murder. So, only women get sued, because only they decide! Is this fair to women, who if they are logical MUST be prolife? Why are they being punished for exercising their "right to choose" in this case terming, which apparently isnt protected according to borts now, just termination? Only women will be subject to these suits but not men, unless they choose abortion in such cases. I thought borts said her choosing was what matters, NOT pop control, desirable genes, gender, etc. What happened to that? Where is her choice getting her now?
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 11:22:19 (EST) from 0-1pool113-72.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
I was talking to my friend who has been a card-carrying member of NOW for years... (She's thinking about canceling her membership, YEAH!) Over the last few years I have convinced her abortion is wrong in most cases. But she thought the one where the couple's baby was having seizures in the womb was a good excuse for a partial-birth abortion. After all, what other 'choice' did they have?

I asked her if she brought her dog to the vet and he said the only answer was to stab scissors in it's head and suck it's brains out, how many seconds would it take her to get her dog out of there?

I then asked her if that meant she thought all epileptics should have that happen to them. Or people who suffer from seizures... Should we stab them in the head and suck their brains out? Without the benefit of anesthesia no less? It was like she finally saw the horror of it.

Anyway, to make a long story a little shorter, she apparently is finally seeing the light... she admitted to listening to Rush Limbaugh and agreeing with most everything he said. I about passed out. Now, one final exorcism needs to take place… I must exorcise Hillary out of her head. Yikes.

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 11:18:07 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Say huh? Child support from the literal sperm doner... finding a doctor at fault for 'allowing' a 'disabled' child to be born... I'm not sure I can decide which is weirder... where is the disconnect in people's brains?

Where's my coffee, I can see I'm gonna need it!

Joy
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 11:00:29 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.76.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


I really can't come up with a clever remark for this one...
Ted
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 08:25:15 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
I am only new to the net. I love MARVIN THE MARTIAN and was glad to see a page dedicated to him.
Grant <nissang_60@hotmail.com>
Rutherford, NSW Australia - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 02:54:23 (EST) from 134.a.001.ncl.iprimus.net.au
Pook, You really know how to influence people ¦-] <-- Robo-smile
Rad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 02:47:08 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
A young lady I consider a good friend is also very pro-choice, and we usually just don't talk politics.

However...

Last week, we were on the porch at my apartment, and Christmas lights came up, which led to some guy by her house who has a lit-up cross up all year, which led to a guy in the town putting up Satanic symbols....etc, etc, etc. I said they both had a right, following that with, "Friend, it's like this --- I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." To which she replied, after a moment of silence, "You know.....when you explain things to me, it really makes me rethink the conservative viewpoint. I've always just thought all conservatives were closed-minded bigots....I guess that makes me the closed-minded one, though, huh?" This, from a pro-choice feminist bisexual!!!

Weeeee are the champions, my friends....

:-D
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 01:40:05 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Joy - Did you see that interview O'Reilly did with Bill Press?? Man I laughed my ass off when Bill Press said that the reason that Fox News is doing so well is because it's full of conservatives who don't want to hear two points of view. Yeah ok, that's why O'Reilly has had guests on his show like Geraldine Ferraro, Patricia Ireland, Charles Rangel, Susan Estrich, Donna Brazile, Michael Kinsley, Al Sharpton, Ellis Henican, Geraldo Rivera, Bill Maher, Congressman Bernie Sanders (who is a self described socialist), Senators John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, Paul Wellstone and several Democratic Strategists. All of these people are certainly not friends of the GOP. For that matter, he had BillPress on the show. That's intolerance?? What a joke. More killing the messenger because they don't like the message.

I included the interview as my URL if anyone is interested.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 23:40:37 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


You've probably read Bill's interview with Geoff Metcalf, but for those who haven't go Here.

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 23:08:27 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Bill is the man.

Thank God for the No Spin Zone!
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 23:05:47 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


It's ok Aaron. Most of us understand what happens when you type fast and erase and retype... etc. :o]

Those are excellent articles as well. Man, all kinds of great reading today! And that's how I found WorldNetDaily too. Good ole Bill O'Reilly. Love that guy!

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 23:00:48 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Ok I either have to pay more attention to my grammar and writing, or type up my responses on MS Word first. Amazing how much you can come to depend on an auto spell and grammar check.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:55:13 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Joy - I love that article. I read check out WorldNetDaily at least once a day. I started going to the website to read Bill O'Reilly's column and branched out from there.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:53:41 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Actually if you want an excellent article on tribunals, try here.

Gosh, isn't it interesting how liberals love to change the subject whenever they have been boxed in?
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:51:57 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Another excellent article on Tribunals Here.

Fox - haven't they executed you yet? What ARE they waiting for?

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:50:10 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Only if you actually tried to burn down America would you be classified as one. But why get all bogged down in technicalities.

Nice leftist deflection by the way.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:41:45 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Too bad Paris didn't burn during World War 2! (I suppose if I said something similar about America, that would get me classified as a terrorist.)
Fox
- Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:39:17 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
I wish I could say, "Only in France." But we had a similar case here. At least the jury only took like 15 minutes to find the doctors not guilty here. Go Here to see an unbelievable legal case concerning abortion.

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:30:21 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Just a side note, here is a great article on the meaning of the word liberal. I like referencing it every time I come across a liberal who thinks that he/she is poen minded.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:23:13 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Joy - you are reading that correctly. It was known. So much for the validity of those "awards".
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 21:50:02 (EST) from dialup-209.245.13.215.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Aaron - am I reading it correctly that it was known PRIOR to Bellesiles winning the award that his facts were questionable and possibly fabricated??

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 21:47:09 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
39%? Wow, that's a lot of rapes and incest Melissa. After all, isn't that what all abortions are about? (sorry, sarcasm over takes me at times)

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 21:30:58 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I meant the cartoonist almost lost his job in my post below...
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 21:16:58 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Speaking of Finkle - they may be adding 80, yes, *80* more counts against him.

I remember the ruckus when AZ was tying to pass a law about parental consent for minors to receive abortions. Our political cartoonist ran a cartoon that was blasted! It was Finkle sitting in his clinic and on the windows of the clinic it had '2 for 1 special!' and 'discount abortions', 'get em while you can!' with a picture of a coathanger...

Oh my god, the feminists went NUTS... He almost lost his job over that one, or did and got it back. I can't remember. But I cut the cartoon out and still have it. I may scan it a post a link.

But don't all abortion doctors CARE so much about women? I can't figure out how any woman could think for a moment a doctor willing to carve apart her baby would care about her. It's called money!

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 21:15:51 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.135.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Yes, it's a shame when we have to keep our opinions to ourselves around supposedly "open-minded" people. I believe in judging issues on their merits, not whether or not they fit into some party line, be it liberal or conservative. What amuses me is when 'bort women go into complicated explanations as to why pro-life women are pro-life -- we're tools of the patriarchy, etc. Or the deafening silence when an abortionist (oops, I'm sorry, a "doctor who does abortions") is convicted of some crime against women, e.g., Brian Finkel. And we're supposed to be the ones who are narrow-minded . . .
Melissa
Philly (where 39% of pregnancies end in abortion), PA USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 20:55:53 (EST) from 0-1pool158-30.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Another interesting article, scroll to the bottom of the link
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 17:31:45 (EST) from dialup-63.211.240.112.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Here is an article that the WSJ published back in April regarding Bellesiles. CLick on my name
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 17:27:50 (EST) from dialup-63.211.240.112.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Joy - That's one of the many things that impresses me about her. She grew up in a heavily liberal household, and thought 'Republican' was pronounced 'God damn Republican' until she was 12. And yet she still took the time to think and analyze the facts. When her parents found out she voted for Bush they had this "How could you?" attitude. Her mother was like "We always taught you to form your own opinions. How could you let a man infuence you and impose his opinion on you like this?" What she failed to understand was that she did form her own opinion. I mean, as much as I'd like to take credit for it, I really can't. She did it on her own, just as I hoped she would.

With regards to Jesse the Extortionist and his accusations against the right wing media, you shoudl have seen Bill O' Reilly handle this accusation. He interviewed a Jesse crony who was insisting that Fox News was being used as a propaganda outfit for the Bush administration. Bill asked him for any examples. The Jackson crony had none. Bill read off a list of Bush administration officials who have appeared on Larry King but won't come on Fox News. Again, no response.He embarrassed this guy and proved that, like many other accusations from liberals, this one has no factual basis whatsoever.

Melissa, Exactly! They are so "free thinking" until you dare say anything to disagree with her. Then you are a "right-wing nut" who can't be reasoned with. Your boss shoudl read the police reports and the ballistic evidence againt Mumia. It's an open and shut case. I wonder if she'd feel the way she does if he was white.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 17:22:37 (EST) from dialup-63.211.240.112.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Okay... I have been informed by an invervention that I need to cease my communication with the e-vell femicide... I can do this... but... I think I may need a support group... I'm a bit shaky...

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 16:10:00 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Melissa - The internet is a pretty cool place isn't it? :o]

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 14:34:52 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Aaron, did I hear you say "black conservative female?" Ah, a woman after my own heart! I don't like to put labels on myself, but I am pro-life and think Jesse is an opportunistic idiot. My family is pro-abort, typical party line Dems, so we just don't discuss certain things. I work for our fair city, and everyone there is a hard-core Dem, too. I dare not discuss my politics with anyone at work -- one of my supervisors actually went to a "Free Mumia" rally and gives a verbal lashing to anyone who dares to disagree with her. So much for liberal "tolerance." That's why forums like this are a blessing, where I can be myself without fear. Long live the Internet!
Melissa
Philly, USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 13:16:29 (EST) from 0-1pool157-120.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Jesse Jackson is again accusing President Bush of manipulating the 'right-wing' media... what country does this guy live in again?

And if that article about the guns was exposing things the other way, it would be front page news at MSNBC.

Sigh... enough of the news. Time for something fun... church! :o]

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 11:37:05 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.63.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Gee Ted, I wonder why that didn't make headline news on MSNBC...

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 11:05:11 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.63.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Another good example of liberal lies exposed!
Ted
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 10:46:36 (EST) from pm12-s02.donet.com
Aaron - I'll bet she does get it. I love people who shatter molds. It tells me they've taken the time to think for themselves.

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 10:11:46 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.63.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I have a collection of books on politics. They are biographies, collections of writings, ect. I have both some books on Reagan, Both of Barbara Olson's books on Hillary Clinton. All in all I have abour 30 or so books on politics. I love seeing the look on their face when they look at them in the bookcase. Watching their face cringe is amusing. To them, the comic strip "Boondocks" is fascinating literature, yet a historian's account of the illegalities and abuses of power during the Clinton administration is BS.

Yes you ae right. Liberals are the most judgmental people in the world.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 00:52:57 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.76.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Interesting how "National Review" so upsets the liberals!

Back in the day, I was asked by by very liberal mother-in-law what I wanted for Christmas - "A subscription to National Review please" was my prompt answer.

What I got was a pair of cheap jeans from K-mart, the ones that fall apart after a few trips through the washer!
Matt
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 00:37:34 (EST) from 199.38.133.55


I'm in the exact same position. Her parents are both diehard liberals. We have been in quite a few verbal sparring contests. I try to stay off the subject. But I am far too stubborn to hear their comments about "Republican, right wing assholes" without responding with some smart ass comment. Over the past 2 years I have learned to bite my tongue when I am a guest in their house. But it is quite amusing to see their reaction when they come over to the apartment and see the latest "National Review" on the coffee table strategically placed within view of anyone who sits on the couch.

I'm such a scamp!
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 00:28:09 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.76.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


The thing is, liberals aren't tolerant at all; they are the most judgemental people on the planet.
Ted
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 00:12:58 (EST) from pm03-s26.donet.com
My husband was raised mostly by his mom and stepdad --- both hard core liberals. We just don't talk politics, because other than their political views, I like them and get along with them just fine! :-)

Luckily, he's rather non-political on most things. He agrees with some things on one side and some things on the other (I have to admit there's a tiny smidgen of my beliefs that would be considered "liberal"). I have made him see the light on many issues, though, which makes me happy. :-)

Totally off-topic, I just got back from work. I'm a bartender at a fine dining establishment, but tonight I worked an off-site party (the owners of the restaurant, which is new, have had a catering business for years.). I bartended at a home that looks exactly like an English pub...at least in the bar area. Absolutely unbelievable home!!!! Just wanted to share that. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 00:11:21 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Joy - I hear ya. My fiance gets it even worse because she is a conservative black female. She voted straight Republican last year, is pro-life, believes in lower taxes, thinks Clinton is a lying womanizer, and thinks Jesse Jackson should be shot. She's a rare specimen indeed and people are sometimes shocked if she voices her politics. Sometimes she is labelled a "sellout" if she talks to other black women about politics. But to her, liberalism makes no sense. They talk out of the side of their mouth, she says. And she notices how what they say often can be contradicted with the slightest amount of research. I'm awful proud! But I wish liberals would practice the tolerance they preach so much before the brand her a "sellout".
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 23:49:17 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.76.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
It's really quite sad when anyone, man or woman, has such a skewed, warped view of the 'complimentary' sex. I know women who are like that towards men too and it's like talking to... well the female equivilent of femicide. They have a neon sign flashing on their foreheads that says RAGE.

Of course, those types spell women, womYn and usually count me off as a traitor. Of course being a pro-life (anti-abortion) female usually does me in with most women anyway. They like me just fine until I say what my beliefs are about abortion and then you can see their faces twist up and their lips start to quiver and their eyes start twitching and then the knee starts jerking and the hands start wringing and OH MY GOD... STOP, YOU'RE SCARING ME... Oh wait... that's me typing this.

breeeze... beach... breathe... Sam? Sam Neill? Is that you?

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 23:02:02 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


He certainly is a joke. But I wouldn't worry about poking him. He certainly deserves it when he makes the kinds of statements he does about women and then contradicts himself outright. What a nimrod.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:45:06 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.76.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
"He certainly knows how to poke back." Ya think? I think he's pretty lame. Hey! I'm a teeny-bopper now! Wow... haven't been accused of that in... well... never... *?*

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:43:54 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"Both have an irrational rage towards women." Hmmmmm... true... maybe I shouldn't be poking him with sticks... who knows what this psycho might go out and do.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:38:59 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy - don't worry about poking him. He certainly knows how to poke back. The boy just needs help.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:38:18 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.76.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Vlad - I would agree except I don't think Carlos could go this long without mentioning miners. :o]

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:33:35 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Aaron - rofl! Yes, I fear you are correct. I guess I am just over there poking him with sticks while I work on a web-site. My bad. :oD

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:31:46 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I still think that he (femicide) is actually Carlos.
Consider this:
The same rambling belligerent messages that are not intended to convince others but only to provoke a response.
The strange userid that is a combination of words; "Insanorator".."Femicide"
A very narcacistic attitude: example, I have posted critical comments regarding "poor grammar", "promiscuity", "vanity", and "bragging". (Both Insanorator and Femicide have responded as if I had targeted these comments towards him, when I hadn't even mentioned him.) "Everything is always about me, me, me."
Both have an irrational rage towards women.
Both write repetitious posts that belabor the same point over and over again.
These similarities have lead me to the conclusion that Insanorator (Carlos) and Femicide (Adam) are the same people.
(I certainly don't mean "our" Adam, I mean wierd Adam that calls himself Femicide).

Vlad
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:30:43 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Joy - I agree. That guy is a total whack job. No point even arguing with him. He need psychiatric help, and I'm not just talking about seeing a shrink. I mean being locked up in a padded cell with several doctors observing and taking notes.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:24:09 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.76.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Speaking of psychotic... that femicide at Rightgrrl is quite the piece of work. He should donate himself to a lab somewhere.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 21:03:04 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Melissa,
How could Carolyn's messageboard possibly be psychotic, when I haven't posted here all morning?

Vlad Manson
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 17:01:26 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
"How can someone be against euthanasia, against the death penalty, in favor of animal rights, and be PRO abortion?????????? I don't get it either Pook unless they think animals and criminals are more valueable than INNOCENT babies
Rad
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 16:49:48 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Psychotic... psychotic... is that a bad thing Melissa? 8o]

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 15:12:37 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.157.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Carolyn my dear, I hate to say this, but I'm afraid your guestbook is becoming SOMEWHAT PSYCHOTIC (heh heh . . .)
Melissa
Philly, USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 14:43:22 (EST) from 0-1pool157-219.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Like the FBI can't get access to gun records? C'mon. It's like when the government gave itself "new powers" to invade our privacy. The NSA has been monitoring us for years.
Fox
- Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 14:27:29 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Check out Drudge's front page...what an AWESOME picture!

Ted
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 13:24:32 (EST) from pm02-s32.donet.com
If you're gonna be shooting 'pictures' then make sure you get a close up of that American traitor in the Taliban too.

And Monica, if you really want to learn something, listen to the Attorney General's response to the gun permit question...it is against the law to release those records. Of course, if all you care about is a personal attack with no substance behind it, then I guess the facts are irrelevant.
Ted
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 13:20:59 (EST) from pm02-s32.donet.com


Joy -- You're kidding about that Time thing right?

Probably not....didn't they choose Hitler many many moons ago for the same thing?

Grrrr...
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 13:20:29 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaan... *I* wanted to be the one! But ok... Can I take real photographs of the scene while you 'take his picture'?

PS - Lucianne.com is a great site. I have been there before.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 13:00:33 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.23.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Great article, Joy!
I volunteer to BE that photographer.(I will even supply my own "camera").

Vlad
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 12:21:27 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Welp... Time is considering choosing Usama bin Laden as "Man of the Year."

On Monday I am canceling all subscriptions to magazines published by Time Warner. I will also make every attempt to not purchase any books, tapes, DVD's etc. put out by them. They have the right to free speech and I have the right to boycott. And since I don't get Time, I must express my disapproval by canceling my other subscriptions. Oh, they make me sooooooo mad! :op

I like Eric Burns solution though... Click Here to read it.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 11:32:22 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Pook - Because to them it's not about rights, it's about power.

Hang in there. I think next week I'll take some time and join the fray. lol

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 10:55:21 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


(putting ranting hat on)
I don't get it......How can someone be against euthanasia, against the death penalty, in favor of animal rights, and be PRO abortion??????????
(taking ranting hat off and shaking head)

Sorry....just paid a visit to my other message board. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 01:47:06 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


"I don't feel too strongly one way or the other on it, because I doubt a real terrorist would register his or her gun."

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with the above statement, and I feel this is why the FBI isn't even bothering. Well, that plus the fact that there is no legal way to do this to my knowledge.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 00:02:07 (EST) from dialup-209.245.1.153.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


I find The DOJ's refusal to give the FBI gun registration records of people detained under suspicion of terrorism ironic, in the light of all the other special measures they're taking. I don't feel too strongly one way or the other on it, because I doubt a real terrorist would register his or her gun.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 23:48:20 (EST) from dialup-166.90.33.71.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Oh, you evil flesh-eating male! How dare you...that cow was somebody's mother. Cows have feelings too!
Hillary Fan
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:34:00 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
That "Clunk" sound more like the time I backed the tractor into my pickup and the hayspike went through the tailgate.
CLUNK!

Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:25:01 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Well, hey. Everyone have a good weekend. I am going home. Wifey has some cow cooking for me right now...hmmm, hmmm. See ya!!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:19:28 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Just be glad I did not guess on the "erase" one! I should win a prize for that!
Capt. Ambiguous
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:16:57 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Capt. Obvious. You're about to win a "WHACK!" :op

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:14:32 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.177.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
What do I win, what do I win???!!???
Capt. Ovious with knot on head
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:12:18 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Erase, erase, erase... or that sound...

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:06:29 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.177.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
The sound in your head when you roll over in bed?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:05:35 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
CLUNK! Anyone who guesses what that sound means wins a prize. :o]

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:04:28 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.177.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Napolean Bonaparte used to just have bothersome News reporters taken-out and shot.
This resulted in the Duke of Wellington making the observation; "Well, that just goes to show that there is some good in everybody."

Vlad the Historian
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:37:28 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I tell you Repook, it’s just wonderful the way uncle Rumfy handles those press camajans at the pentagon.
 
“We will jump off that bridge when we get to it” – “You see I don’t know exactly… I don’t want to leave you unfulfilled.” – “here we go chasing those rabbits again”.
 
Can you imagine what it must be like having dinner with him?

Lem
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:25:24 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Mmmmmmmm!
Nature's candy!

Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 15:55:29 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Uhh...I just had grapes for lunch.

:-(
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 15:26:19 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


How about my lunch:

grilled ham with swiss cheese on a hoagie roll with fries...

Served at Hooters.
Ted
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 15:06:22 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


Yeah, a Whopper minus pickles and onions!
Capt. Stewart
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:43:32 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Ok Lem, How about this:
Fresh watercrest on dill flavored pita- bread with romain lettuce, balsamic vinagrette, sprinkled with parsely, oregano, and garnished with decorativly carved radishes and cucumbers. Can you top that?

Martha Stewart
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:39:58 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I am against abortion that is like murdering a person that hasent had a chance to live.
maggie suarez
arroyo grande, ca USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:20:38 (EST) from 198.188.249.12
I JUST LOVE YOUR MARVIN WEB SITE. IVE BEEN COLLECTING MARVIN FOR OVER 15 YEARS YOU MIGHT SAY I DO HAVE A LOT OF STUFF. HE EVEN HAS HIS OWN ROOM AT MY HOUSE!!! ALL OF MY MARVIN STUFF IS ON DISPLY. MY FRIENDS ARE ALWAYS PICKING STUFF UP FOR ME AND IT ALWAYS FEELS LIKE CHRISTMAS WHEN I GET IT!!!!! HE IS EVEN TATTOOED ON ME NOW THATS LOVE!!!!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ON YOUR SITE. I LOVE IT
GAYLE <DADDYZGIRL1203@AOL.COM>
MARCUS HOOK, PA USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 13:14:05 (EST) from spider-tf053.proxy.aol.com
Mmmmm Mmmm. Liverwurst on rye, mustard, onions and tomatoes and a couple of pickles. Sorry Martha but you are going to have a hard time topping that one.
Lem
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 12:59:46 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Not a very busy day, eh, Joy?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 12:48:13 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
How many more minutes to Lord of the Rings??? I don't think I can wait any longer! AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh...

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 12:20:44 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Killing spiders is the wifey's job in the house.
Capt. Sissy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:56:49 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Tarantulas? Capt. Obvous may be a super hero, but turns into Biff in the presence of large spiders. Yueck!!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:42:14 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
lol! Well, they'd have a hard time finding anything to come after me for. I always live catch anything that is posing a problem and release it somewhere's else. Good thing I have no enemies in the area or they'd be the proud hosts to about 30 packrats, 5 rattlesnakes, 2 tarantulas and a multitude of scorpions. lol

Actually, I only guided the tarantulas to the wash... they are good to have around. I also like the gopher snakes... I don't do anything with them.

I don't get angry at people who kill varmints, as long as it's quick and humane. I simply can't kill anything but maybe ants and bugs. Ahhhh, the cute widdle scorpion! Isn't he sweeeeet?

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:39:33 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Yes, Captain, at close range the wadding and blast from a shotgun are very destructive. The salt that you filled the casing with, probably melted together in clumps when fired. That and the plastic wadding explain the huge hole in the wall. Snakeshot shells will not cause any damage to a sturdy wooden barn like I have and their is less chance of the pellets richocheting and splattering the shooter.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:36:56 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
You better watch out, Joy, some environmentalist wacko's are going to be coming after you!

In Joyspeak: "Oh, those poor widdle lizawds".
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:33:49 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Put it this way Capt. O, there's no skin to save from a snake shot with snakeshot. you might find a bit of rattle for the keeping though.

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:30:59 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Vlad - I think you are correct. Billary wouldn't have stopped at anything to keep the clinic doors open for baby season which is all year-round. But bombing military personally only assures him of one less vote for the opposition come election time.

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:29:17 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Would that be akin to the once a friend and I took the shot out of a 12 gage casing and filled it with salt. We didn't think it'd do much...only put a huge hole in his wall. Idiots.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:27:39 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"Snakeshot" is a very fine #9 lead shot that can be used for varmints at close range. Using the small shot allows you to kill the varmint without blowing big holes in your barn. (hey, It works)
Vlad the Weapons Expert
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:22:50 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey Lem and Joy,
great topic for discussion.
You might consider this:
If Osama Bin Laden had ever instructed his terrorists to bomb abortion clinics instead of military barracks and embassies, he would have been Number 1 on President Clintoon's and Janet "sasquatch" Reno's list of wanted felons. Clintoon would have never passed up a chance to nab an abortion clinic bomber, and curry favor with the NOW fems.

Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:20:25 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Snakeshot? What the heck is that? Only in AZ, huh?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:19:34 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Dear Curious in Cuba,

A handgun works quite nicely in that situation. However, I do recommend having a shotgun loaded with snakeshot at hand in case any small children get in the way.

Sincerely,

Joy Stewart (sitting in for her sister Martha)

Joy Stewart
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:15:09 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Exactly Lem... not much conscience there eh? I keep wondering what it would take to get their attention. If Sep 11th didn't get it, what ever could?

Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:10:03 (EST) from dialup-67.24.238.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
The depths to which democrats are willing to burrow to score political points defy all geological scales.
 
Here we have former Clinton fund raiser Mansoor Ijaz claiming that Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year. “I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.”
 
While presently our boys are getting shot at by Osama’s Alkaida and the Taliban!
 
So prey what is worrying the democrats? What keeps them up at night?
 
Will the terrorist be able to appeal a conviction handed down by a military tribunal? Will the terrorists receive the death penalty? Will the terrorist receive legal counsel if they cannot afford one? Will those accused of aiding terrorist (non-US citizens mind you) be detained too long without a trial?
 
It is at times like this when I wish I could afford the production of a video featuring these democrats and send one to every family victim of the September 11th attack.

Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:53:25 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Doesn't that kinda remind you of the commercial where the Steelers are playing the Titans and all of a sudden some wierd music comes over the PA. The guy was supposed to buy "Who Let the Dogs Out" and couldn't? Not making fun, just a good place to stop and reflect.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:29:39 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Diana, I will miss you very much and the things you done for us. Like being a good role model for us. The main thing I will miss about you is the dresses you made. But princess I love u dearly and forever. love you, Star
Bianca Clardy
Detroit, MI USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:05:38 (EST) from 216.11.149.227
Doesn't that kinda remind you of the commercial where the Steelers are playing the Titans and all of a sudden some wierd music comes over the PA. The guy was supposed to buy "Who Let the Dogs Out" and couldn't? Not making fun, just a good place to stop and reflect.
Catp. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:02:51 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Diana, I will miss you very much and the things you done for us. Like being a good role model for us. The main thing I will miss about you is the dresses you made. But princess I love u dearly and forever. love you, Star
Bianca Clardy
Detroit, MI USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:00:00 (EST) from 216.11.149.227
"Attorney General John Ashcroft said on Thursday that the FBI cannot have access to gun purchase records as part of its terrorism probe, an assertion that provoked anger from several of his critics in Congress".

Monica, tell me your thoughts on this statement. Agree or disagree?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:51:20 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Well, Monica did make a lame attempt at humor. There may be some hope, but not very much.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:35:41 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey, it sounds like Monica has a sense of humor. There is hope for some liberals.
Lem
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:25:09 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Dear Martha,

When I arrive at neighbor's homes uninvited, I prefer to use agents armed with M-16's to see what goodies are in their closets. Do you think that being armed with a only a handgun is more appropriate for seeing what's in the medicine cabinet?

Signed,
Curious in Cuba

Janet El Reno <zippo@inferno.com>
Havana, Cuba - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 08:29:44 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


Great Web Site, all patriots should read it. Glad to have found you through the VCM.
longhunter <pak43l71@hotmail.com>
Front Royal, Va. USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 06:23:15 (EST) from dialup-63.215.153.149.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net
This is why gun control is a mistake....
Matt
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 03:35:05 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Dearest Martha, When you burn down a building filled with children, is it considered selfish to not share your favorite Bar-B-Que sauce with your subordinates during the forensic investigation?
Much Love,
Old Shakey

Janet "from another Planet" Reno
Orlando, FL Lesbia - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 01:41:00 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hi Monica,
You spelled John wrong.

Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 01:37:42 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Dear Martha, When you are entertaining, is it ever considered "proper" to torture or kill guests that you do not like? Signed, Jon Archcroft
Jon Archcroft <Pinochet Fan@USA-DINA.com>
Golf Course Town, VA USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 01:30:01 (EST) from dialup-64.156.224.98.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
"Rad - ya think? :o]"
Ohh just a little bit Joy! ¦-]
Now I must go before I turn into a gourd

Rad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 01:03:06 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Austin Powers, how dare you break wind before me?
Shagadelic Chick
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 23:11:54 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I shall conquer you, Austin Powers. I shall vanquish you with the help of my new friend, Osama.
Dr. Evil
Secret Lair - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 23:01:30 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
It is very difficult to trace the nuance of the word thru other cultures that see virtually no difference between clean and beautiful. Indeed one could argue that something clean is chakadelic? as you say.
Lem
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 21:29:07 (EST) from AC971038.ipt.aol.com
Austin, you need to see a competent Dentist, real bad.
Martha Stewart
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 21:28:52 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
"Pulcritudinal" means beautiful...as in shagadelic, baby!
Austin Powers
London, England - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 21:13:49 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
Crikey! I've lost my mojo!
Austin Powers
London, England - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 21:11:05 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
pOlcritudinal
 
Actually, I meant ‘pUlcritudinal’, meaning a constant estate of cleanliness. I was alone and hungry when I last posted.
 
There is a picture of one John Walker on the front page of the NY Post, take my word for it Martha; he will not be accused of being pulcrid. Poor thing, he will not be getting invited to any Christmas parties.

Lem
The Bronx, NY USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 21:09:59 (EST) from AC971038.ipt.aol.com
There now, the little voices have stopped...must be nice to guests.
Hi, Joy!
Have you been horseback riding lately?

Vlad on lithium
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 20:15:31 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Rad - ya think? :o]

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 20:07:26 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.39.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh yes, that would be an exception to the rules against killing guests, but I must stress that it should be done discreetly. (Besides, there is a reward on his head).
Martha Stewart
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 19:57:14 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I beg to differ.
 
If your “guest” calls himself Osama Bin Laden; it’s at least discretionary (considering the presence of children) to slay him and elemental in the glorified, polcritudinal presence of the almighty. In other words you will be a hero.
 
Just make sure the other guest are not inconvenienced ;)
 
Oh nooo, look at the time!! loveyall

Lem, still at the office
Pearl River, NY USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 19:43:52 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
No, that would NOT be a good thing, even if the celebration were being held in the court of a ruthless 15th century Eastern-European monarch.
Martha Stewart
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 19:30:54 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Carolyn your guestbook is getting very very odd :)
Rad
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 19:04:23 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Dear Martha,
When you are entertaining, is it ever considered "proper" to torture or kill guests that you do not like?

Signed, Psychotic

Vlad the Anti-Martha
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 17:11:35 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Thanks, Martha!
 
It’s a good thing.

Lem
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 17:09:17 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Next, Lieberman would have looked into the camera with a pained expression, whined, and then kissed Helen Thomas on the mouth.
Vlad (I hate Joe Lieberman)
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 17:04:33 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Of Course, Joe Lieberman would have thoughtfully weighed boths sides of the issue, openly discussed it with Haddaseh, and then decided that he feels strongly both ways.
Vlad (I am NOT Joe Lieberman)
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 17:01:19 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Yes, that was pretty good, but what George(I) failed was when he acted like it was accidental.
He SHOULD have jumped up onto the table and screamed "REMEBER PEARL HARBOR...WHOOOOHOOOOO...LOOK AT MEEEEE, I'M AN EVIL WHITE MAN! WHOOOOHOOOOO!"
You may notice, that this abject failure to conduct himself properly in public, actually cost him the next election.

Vlad the Holiday Barbarian
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:52:52 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oooops, I almost forgot the most important one...:
5. If Rosie O'Donnell is in attendence, crack her skull open with a baseball bat and continue beating her to a bloody pulp until you are carried away by the authorities.

Vlad (I am NOT Joe Lieberman)
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:48:10 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Its ok Vlad, it has happened to the best of us. Remember Bush 41 throwing up on the prime minister of Japan?
 
Now, that’s what I call a barfover ;)

Lem
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:47:57 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Well since alternative viewpoints should be presented, here are Vlad's Party Tips:
1. Arrive late, so that everbody is there.
2. Drink heavily before you arrive, just in case you are thrown-out before you drink enough.
3. Jump up onto the buffet table and throw ALL the food onto the floor (while keeping the best stuff for yourself, of course).
4. Point at people who are eating and say: "OOOooh, g$%&#$d! Look at what the he!! they're eating, BLEEEAGH!"

That's what I did at the last Christmas Party that I was invited to....let me see....that was about 12 years ago.

Vlad the Party-Planner
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:36:01 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Thanks, Martha!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:31:35 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Uhh..no. I was just askin'.
Capt. Garth
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:29:22 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Ten Holiday Party Tips in order of importance. 1. Don't drink too much. You may be expected to have a glass of wine, just to be sociable, but it doesn't make sense to drink like a fish. The wrong words will inevitably escape your lips, and your actions will be remembered for years to come.
 
2. Don't eat too much. Sample whatever you like, but moderation applies equally to food and alcohol. Hanging out at the buffet table also keeps you from mingling; you should spend most of your time working the crowd.
 
3. Network. Say hello to your friends and close co-workers, but don't spend the evening locked in their company. There is no better time to introduce yourself to the top brass, learn their names, and present yourself well to future allies.
 
4. Be cordial, but not flirtatious. There's a fine line, often blurred by eggnog, between polite banter and sexual invitation. Use your best judgment, as always, but remember: Don't say or do anything that you wouldn't during normal business hours.
 
5. Keep your tongue. Try to avoid discussing specific company business, especially with someone from outside your department or workgroup. This occasion is better suited to informal, personal chat. Under no circumstances should you let slip any privileged information.
 
6. Dress appropriately. First impressions are shallow judgments, to be sure, but they still count. If you really want to use the party as a networking tool, ask a few questions about proper dress and try not to overdo it.
 
7. Arrive on time. Forget the "fashionably late" ethos of social engagements; promptness is essential at the office party. You'll have access to the widest variety of edible (and potable) goodies--and you won't miss those timid souls who head home after a quick appearance.
 
8. Don't stay late. Parties may run into the morning hours, but you should stop running well before then. An hour or two should be enough time to meet, greet, and say your goodbyes. If you have to work the next day, put your party clock in overdrive.
 
9. Be yourself. Easy to say, after laying out so many rules and regulations, but you should still try to avoid false fronts. Don't be afraid to speak your mind, offer an opinion, and laugh--within reason. Moderating your grog intake will help enormously with this.
 
10. Thank your host. If a single person or group is responsible for party planning and details, then you should send them a brief thank-you note. If you went to the party via formal invitation, then thank the person who invited you. A brief note is also a good way to keep up with new acquaintances; it shows that you remember and appreciate meeting them.

Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:28:44 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
No. Did you?
Vlad (Not attracted to Rabbits)
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:28:28 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he dressed up like a girl bunny?
Capt. Garth
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:26:42 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I'm back. I was posting on Rightgrrrl...
Hey, what's up? The enchanting and lovely Carolyn has not graced us with any of her usual witty repartee.
:(

Vlad (has returned)
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:25:49 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey, Vlad...
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:20:52 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
She's double-live Gonzo, intesity in ten cities, live from (?) Booda...whatever.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:19:14 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
If she were a fox in England, her name would be Lainaire (?). She'd be hunted with only her cunning to protect her.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:18:25 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I can also imagine Feminoid/Carlos in a hot-tub with Helen Thomas and the PIAPS.
BLEAGH!!!

Vlad the Cruel
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:16:52 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Yeah, if SHE were a President, she would be "Babe-raham Lincoln", Groowwwl!
Vlad's World
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:15:16 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad, get ahold of yourself, man...live in the now! Don't be so hard on your self (huh-huh)

Your pills...
Your on a warm beach...
with Heather Locklear....
...

Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:06:22 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


What was I thinking? There isn't anything worse than being called an Algore. I cannot believe that I actually did THAT. AAAAAAAAARrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!
Vlad (I am NOT Joe Lieberman)
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 15:59:51 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Don't be disturbed...I didn't mean it that way. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:56:53 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad - Yes, I have seen that episode. Hilarious! But I must say, in light of that episode, your comment is quite disturbing... lol

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:47:32 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.47.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Yes, the message board is the ONLY place where I am not "Master of my domain".
anyone watch "Seinfeld"??

Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:45:04 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Ahhhh, flowers are pretty! Don't you think? :o]

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:44:07 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.47.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Actually, I am being yelled at. But with a flowery background.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:41:17 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Vlad - Ohhh, ok...

Nick - You are simply grateful no one is currently yelling at you... (at least not on the message board, lol)

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:39:47 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.47.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


No Joy, the money has to go to actual Puppies. It cannot even go through non-profit charities such as United Way. Sorry, nice try.
Vlad the Penitent
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:15:47 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Man, Vlad, you are really taking a beating last couple of days. First this, and then "Vlad the Impaler". Wow, get the net!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:14:58 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"I did not know that...did you know that, Garth?"

I was completely unaware of that, did you know that Ed?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:13:33 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


I'm glad you've learned your lesson Vlad! And it's fine if you send money...

Joy
1234 Penance Lane
Repentance City, Heaven, 77777


Joy <Heaven-Welcomes-You@Clouds.net>
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:06:25 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.47.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Whadaya mean "IT'S A JOKE?"??? I went to confession last night and my Priest didn't think it was much of "a joke". He had to consult with the Vatican and I was almost excomunicated.
(Evidently JPII is not much of an Algore fan, either.) I have been saying "Hail Mary" and "Our Father" all morning and I've worn-out three rosaries.
The Priest said that drawing puppies was not enough, I had to donate money. I'm never gonna call anyone "Algore" ever again.(not even the real algore)

Vlad the Forgiven
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 13:59:03 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Lem - I know that! lol That's why you didn't get yelled at, Vlad did. lol

It's all a joke anyway... :oD

Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 13:13:53 (EST) from 67.24.239.47


Ouch! Sorry Joy, My post was a reference to Al being a robot, NOT you being Al the robot. I’m not good at webxtemporizing.
 
By the way, is there any truth to the rumor (started by me) that the Clinton Presidential Liebrary had to be scale back to a kiosk, after Sir Hilary declared all scandal related papers mysteriously, irretrievably missing, gone, into the ether.

Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 13:08:29 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
I believe Hallmark has 'belated' Apologize to Joy Day cards... ;o]

To be sure that was the meanest thing anyone has said to me yet... I still (choke) am trying to work through the pain... (sniff) But I am strong... and I will recover... (shake)

But your apology was accepted Vlad... I can see you knew not what you said. And I can see you've seen the wrongness of it. Besides, you draw cute puppies. That makes up for a lot. :o]

Joy, could never, ever be Al
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:44:21 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.128.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Sorry, Vlad! Didn't know some of those posts in the other guestbook were yours.

Carolyn, come out from under the pile of work more often. At the very least, let us know you're breathing and maybe make an amazon.com wish list ;)
Sehlat
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:35:09 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu


Pardon me,
err...I mean "Canada" not "Candada".
Oops...yes..."Canada".

Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:28:00 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey Mike, I didn't know that "National Apologize to Joy Day" was also a holiday in Candada.

I did not know that...did you know that, Garth?

Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:26:37 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
shit. i forgot to send my national apologize to joy day cards.
mike
canada - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 04:50:47 (EST) from Ottawa-HSE-ppp242517.sympatico.ca
OK....I posted about 20 minutes ago....where is it? :-(
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 03:11:16 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com
Could be, could be. His parents are in Fairfax, California.......
John Walker info here
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 01:34:20 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Re: that rant from San Rafael -- is that a member of John Walker's family posting, perchance?
Sue
CA USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 01:28:19 (EST) from dial-052.arc-01.lodinet.com
There was, "Witchy Woman" by The Eagles(1972, and ELO did "Evil Woman" (1975)
Matt
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 00:40:44 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Maybe they should unfreeze him just for today so he can kick Eisner's ass.
Aaron
CO USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 00:33:16 (EST) from dialup-63.211.246.113.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Since nobody else has mentioned it, I will. Today would have been Walt Disney's 100th birthday. If Walt was alive, he wouldn't put up with Kikel Eisnerd's crap!
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:53:02 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Do not resist... the hammock WILL have it's way...

Joy's Hammock
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:12:19 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
will...strong...body...weak...cannot...resist...hammock...resistance...is...futile...Nick...send...me...plane...fare...money...stat

Ted the hammockless
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:06:11 (EST) from pm12-s17.donet.com
"Evil Woman"...wasn't that a song in the late 70s?
Fox
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:54:54 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Oh... and Ted's cute mug makes him very difficult to resist. I'm just a weak, weak woman... Oh wait... femicide says it's the men who are weak... hmmmmmm...

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:53:41 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Yup... evil woman... My bad! My hammock makes me do it!

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:28:54 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy! You're manipulating again!! YOU evil woman!! And besides, I wanted some hammock time.
Weak Dope
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 21:17:38 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Oh Teeeeeeeeed... me and my hammock missed you today. It was very nice outside! :o]

Joy & her Hammock
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:37:53 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
Hey, "La Bruja", my thoughts exactly! Nice song!
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:07:31 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Go to David Horowitz's website www.frontpagemag.com for some great stuff on Cynthia McKinney.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:03:08 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Hey check this out:
www.accessatlanta.com/partners/wsbtv/news/mckinney1205.html
It is a news story about everyone's favorite Congresswoman.

Vlad the Puppy-Lover
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 18:13:07 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
**in a loud, thunderous voice:**

Good night to all. Just a days work for your hero and defender of masculinity! Same Bat time, same Bat channel.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 18:12:13 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


dom didda dom!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 18:01:48 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Vlad - I'm all right now... I had my cry and showered off the slime... :o]

Cool Lem! I wish I could watch, but apparently no local stations here find it newsworthy.

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 17:22:24 (EST) from 67.24.238.86


I now officially declare this day to be:
"National Aplogize to Joy Day"
Stand in line and take a number, because I am first. (I must admit, call someone "Algore" is really mean. What the h#&& was I thinking???)

Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 17:17:03 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Sorry Joy, I did not answer. I'm following the shuttle blast off at NASATV. 3 times a charm? will find out bout 9 minutes from now.
Lem
Pearl River, USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 17:08:31 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Sorry..sorry...sorry...so sorry.
I didn't understand the subtle differnces. (Joybot, Joymeister, Joyous One, etc.) I thought they were all you. Please accept my most humble apologies.

Vlad the BigMouth
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 17:07:51 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad - the difference was Lem called JOYBOT Al Gore... YOU called ME Al Gore... snifff... it just hurts is all... *choke*... sniiffff... *sob*

Joy, not a bot
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 17:00:10 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ok... I forgive you... (quick-release hug) :o]

Pook - Nix is one of those people we were talking about the other day, who is all supportive of animal rights, etc., but thinks killing babies is ok. Amazing...

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:58:01 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


OK, OK, OK...I was just going by what Lem posted, earlier ("Is that Al gore posting as Joy bot?") Geeeez...I didn't mean anything by it. I offer my sincerest apologies.

If it will make you happy, you can call me "Joe Lie-berman" and I will thoughtfully meditate, consult with Hadasseh, and weigh both sides of the issue until I come to the realization that I feel strongly both ways.

Vlad the Contrite
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:54:36 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Seeeee, I always leave out the spaces when I'm flustered! Vlad - take it back or I'll never post to you again! ;o\

Joy, never was Gore
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:45:21 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Pook - WOW... they are rabid. Thanks for the link. Vlad - YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!! THEM'S FIGHTIN WORDS MISTER! ;o\

Joy, not AL
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:43:55 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
So Joy is really Algore???
thank you for inventing the internet, Sore-Loserman. He probably also invented the little techniques we were using to draw puppies and naked girls on the guestbook. Didn't you, Al?

Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:30:45 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
If we could get our families to just give up those lousy habits of eating and buying stuff, we could just do our silly little posts all day.
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:26:26 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oh durn....I gotta get to work now!!
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:25:00 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com
Joy -- sent. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:24:30 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com
Lem - Al Gore?!? roflmao!

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:23:53 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh oh... is that an MSN community? If so, don't bother. My computer freezes solid every time I go to one of those. Something to do with my scroll and page down functions. If it's not MSN Communities. Email to addy with this post.

Joy <joymeister@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:21:42 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy -- Do you have AIM or passport? I'll let you know on one of those if you do, or I'll email you the site.
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:19:34 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com
Pook - amazing that they don't even know the basics of how soon babies have legs and arms and a heartbeat of their own. Where is this site?

Joy <babies@wombsRus.org>
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:18:14 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Is that Al Gore posting as Joy Bot?
Lem
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:16:31 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
All.. women... share... programming... mmmmmm... buzzzzz... click... in-cu-bate... as-sim-i-late... ab-sorb... mmmm... buzzzz... click... must pro-lif-er-ate male spawn... Pro-pa-gate... in-cu-bate... mmmmmm... buzzzzz... click...

Joybot
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:15:30 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh, and I'm waving at you Carolyn! :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:09:43 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com
Bzzz...patriarchy must prevail...impregnate all women...click..do not resist...do not resist....
CbOt (who copies Joybot)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:09:35 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Ohhh...she (and one other bort) are REALLY pissed now!!! LOL

They mentioned the trucks that the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform drives around, with the abortion pictures, and said, "Those are such fakes...they look like full-term miscarriages to me!"

So I posted a graphic of an 8 week preborn from The Visible Embryo. "No ladies, they're not still just clumps of cells at 8 weeks. Look -- arms, legs...."

Oh are they angry now. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:07:18 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Must incubate male spawn... mmmmmm... buzzzz... click... In-cu-bate... in-cu-bate... mmmmmm... buzzzz. click....

Joybot
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:06:24 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Pook, you know you are just a mindless anti-choice bot, intent on nothing but focing women to give birth to tons of babies in your effort to score brownie points with the "in" crowd, known as the patriarchy!
What's new? Ted the Ped (not the currently posting Ted who is not a ped!) is still out there. He sent me email just now. (am I just lucky or what?) His true brilliance can be seen in is new email address (number 805 out of 907): riphomoland@hotmail.com

Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:00:17 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
I'm currently bantering back and forth in the feminist message board I post on with a 50-something feminist who can't seem to grasp that the 60s are over. To her, I'm just an "anti-choice tool of the patriarchy."

LMFAO!!!! That one cracks me up. :-)

Other than that, life is good. How are all of you? :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:54:29 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


Cool site, Carolyn...I like the word "indicia" in the disclaimer...actually I love that word...I just added it to my lexicon!

Ted
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:41:33 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Carolyn,
We can help you keep things straight...
My alter-egos include (but are not limited to): "Percy Dovetonsalls", "Bill the Erotic Sink-Emperor"(or any variation on the theme)
, "Hillary Fan", "Gray Davis is My Hero", "Jerry Falwell", "Kenny" (from Southpark), "Homer Simpson", and in 8th grade drama I made my theatrical debut as "Sancho Panza" in "Man of La Mancha"; which the Drama critic for the Sabine County Herald described as; "A glittering performance of a rare perception."
But the Milam Chronicle was less than enthusiastic, I quote; "As for the stage debut of (insert Vlad's real name)as Sancho Panza, the audience was bemused by his pronounced southern accent, the abusive ad-libs, and his repeated unscheduled appearances and shouts of "get yer own d@mned cigarettes!" during the rape scene.

Vlad the Impersonator
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:41:24 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
OOOOOOh! OOOOhhh! Teach me how to do that Carolyn!

That is cool... but I am just kidding. There's always anonymizer if I was desperate. But that is WAY cool...

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:39:23 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Maybe I need looser tights?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:39:01 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
***covering myself, blushing***Carolyn, how could you???
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:37:22 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I can see inside everyone's hard drive.
IP Goddess
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:36:11 (EST) from stealth.allow-me-to-abuse.the.ability.to-change.myip.net
oops. got it. I have my IPs straight now. Thanks.
*sigh*

Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:30:07 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
why are all my web sites going haywire right now, giving errors, not responding...dying...
i want to take my toys and go home.
the looney tunes site is mine.

Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:29:13 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
I am the Capt. formerly known as Nick. Still OK?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:28:07 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I am confused. (like always... yeah yeah yeah...) I thought Capt. Obvious was Vlad???? But it isn't????? You all have me confused! Help!
!!!!! Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:26:47 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
This "Feminoid" character sounds like he belongs in Afghanistan. He could be doing his manly duty servicing Al Qeida troops out in taliban pleasure-tents deep in the remote deserts.
That way he could be safe from the ev-illll clutches of demon women.

Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:19:19 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oh, it works now. That URL worked for me!
Capt. Still Undecided
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:14:30 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Rightgrrl opens, but Carolyn's new one doesn't for me. Rats. I wanted to see it.

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:12:20 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Is it just me, or does the RightGrrl guestbook not open?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:08:47 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Neat site! Is that a side business or a site for someone else?
Capt. Obvious (if I may)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:07:15 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I really thought Femicide was Davidthepoet (another lover of women) but he says he isn't. Maybe they are buds.
Oh, I posted eons ago about a site I was working on. I never did post the URL.
I hope to be in better spirits soon.

Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:04:25 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Uh, huh...huh, you said...
Nevermind.

Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:45:01 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
And speaking of 'femicide', he takes hypocrisy to a new level. Go read his latest. Hilarious...

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:44:50 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Nick - I think that's kind of what I am meaning. Most liberals have adapted and come together, but the one's who haven't seem to just stick out like sore thumbs and seem even more whacky than before.

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:43:03 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"kooks anyway"...example? Femicide.
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:38:10 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Actually, Joy, I see a little of the opposite. All of the little liberal scuffles are few and far between. Where are all the liberals that used to post here (except Vic). There is more unity (I believe).

Now, there are people who are just kooks anyway. Those have not changed. Have you noticed you hear a lot less from congressional opponents to our President? Yeah, they are still there, but handcuffed. What do they say? They'll be labeled forever. I dunno, maybe you are right, maybe I just haven't noticed it as much.
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:36:46 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Yeah... like, they scan for stuff... huh huh huh, yeah, huh huh... you said 'read'... huh huh...

I am in a very silly mood today. And am finding it impossible to take these liberals at all seriously. Don't they seem even more off the charts since Sep 11th than usual? Or is it just me? lol

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:32:04 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Maybe someone would know this: I don't think that they read every one of them do they? I would imagine they scan the e-mail for key words...or something...huh, huh.
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:25:38 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Not that I am for wire-tapping without cause, but I can't help but think anyone wire-tapping my phone or reading my mail would get sooooooo bored... soooooooo fast... they'd just move on to someone more interesting.

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:21:10 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
No kidding, Ted...no Waco's, no Starbuck's. I am thankful that my first thought on Sept. 11 wasn't, "That *%^$& Bush!" like it was after the TWA 800 incident (except *%^$& Clinton).
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:15:37 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
My bad, not another CA kook, just the same one...good eye, Nick

Ted
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:14:21 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
wow...another CA kook...

I for one am very happy with Mr. Ashcroft...American fatalities have dropped now that Reno is out of the picture.
Ted
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:13:16 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


But good to hear from you anyway, Monica!
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:12:26 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"he's reading your email tapped your phone and thought police can search your house anytime that you're not home"

Not true. Those taps, searches, and surveilences are only for those already detained for terrorism. Or I would agree.
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:11:38 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


hello all-- (sing to the tune of "santa claus is coming to town") you better watch out for the f.b.i. you better speak up and i'm telling you why john ashcroft is coming to town he's witholding the list of people on ice noone even knows if they were naughty or nice john ashcroft is coming to town he's reading your email he's also tapped your phone and thought police can search your house anytime that you're not home you better watch out for the f.b.i. you better speak up and i'm telling you why john ashcroft is coming to town have a wonderful christma-rama-haun-adan everyone.
la bruja <obea@excite.com>
Oaktown, CA USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:03:52 (EST) from dialup-64.156.226.242.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Mike - rofl

Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 13:48:46 (EST) from 67.24.239.4
Good day, Vlad! How are things in TX?
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 13:16:42 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
According to the Carolyn Cam, she is diligently at work.
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 13:10:45 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oh, good. Carolyn hasn't vanished after all :)
Sehlat
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 10:52:37 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
'Speaking of O.J., he's in trouble again. It could be pretty serious this time...'

this might explain why you're universally ignored (except, evidently, by me).

'could be serious this time...' - in what way? because he might really be in trouble with the law - this time, they're not joking? or perhaps it's because compared to murder, the crimes he's alledged to have committed this time are super-dee-duper bad.

'mr. simpson [giggle] - this is the police! we have a [giggle] warrant to search your house [giggle giggle]! sshhhh... shhhh ... c'mon, guys ... if you don't open this door [giggle], we'll huff and we'll puff....'

and we leave the scene as members of the miami-dade police collapse in peals of laughter.
mike
canada - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 10:11:24 (EST) from Ottawa-HSE-ppp242517.sympatico.ca


"Abortion link to rise in breast cancer". Interesting article in the Scotsman about one more risk of abortion. Frankly, this does not bother me, I would just hope someone would think a little more before getting one. But I doubt it will.
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 09:54:24 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hmmmmm....American caught fighting for Taliban will be tried for treason, and tribunals are not an option since he was a US citizen. If W was trying to take away our rights, wouldn't he try this man with a tribunal?
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 09:49:47 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
What is in the water in California? They must have substituted fluoride for idiotide...

Ted
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 08:53:12 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Yea, right on. President Smirk had the CIA do the attacks this so that he can takeaway are rights away and feed us arsenic. The talibans were right for what they did cause Amerika has done like lots of bad kinds of stuff you know dude.
Hillary Fan
St Paul, MN Amerika the Oppressed - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 01:37:27 (EST) from 24.162.100.65
To "Janet Iris": I agree completely.
Fox
- Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 23:46:22 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
I heard he doesn't have that much left except for his NFL pension, which, at 25K a month is a lot more than I make but not enough for a gaggle of high priced attorneys. And besides, he can't get F. Lee Bailey this time. He's been disbarred.

Oh well. He'll probably still get off, especially if they have they have the trial in Dade County.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 23:45:47 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com


Speaking of O.J., he's in trouble again. It could be pretty serious this time...but yo, the brotha gots that green, and it's all about the Benjamins, right?
Fox
- Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 23:21:52 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
From now on, just type PIAPS. That is much fewer letters and it says it all.
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 22:46:44 (EST) from 24.162.100.65
I've typed Hillary too many times... I do know how to spell 'hilarious.' :oD

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:13:27 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh, yes, 'Femicide' and I met a couple of days ago. He couldn't figure out why I didn't take him seriously. Just another nasty women I guess... :o]

He's hillarious.

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:06:17 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


THANK YOU MIKE FOR ARCHIVING THE GUESTBOOK!!!!
If you aren't visiting the Rightgrrl guestbook, you're missing an amusing person posting on the evils of all women.

Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 20:53:18 (EST) from port2.interstat.net
By the way, GREAT article by the ifeminists. I love her column.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 19:31:40 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Actually he DOES want to try them, just not in a civil court scene that would make the OJ trial look tame.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 19:30:10 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Maybe Bush doesn't want to try Osama BL and the other terrorists because they might reveal CIA or other US Gov't. involvement in the 9-11 events.
Janet Iris
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 19:16:00 (EST) from 24hrlab-203.sfsu.edu
hi.
Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 18:53:20 (EST) from port2.interstat.net
Yikes! I come to this site for some good, clean fun and I run into feelth . . .
Melissa
Philly, USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 18:47:00 (EST) from 0-1pool157-191.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Joy -- Loved the article! I read 2 lines and emailed it to my cousin before even finishing it cuz I knew she'd love it too. :-)

Vlad -- PIAPS.....LMFAO!!!

In other news, we are now running a Broadband connection on a 2.0 Ghz processor with 768MB of RAM. Ahhhh...life is good. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 18:25:26 (EST) from mke-160-231-80.wi.rr.com


I didn't get to see the new Marvin... but finally saw Carolyn's cam. lol

Hi Carolyn! **waving**

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 15:43:17 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.120.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


voila.
mike
canada - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 13:40:39 (EST) from HSE-Hamilton-ppp190027.sympatico.ca
Holy cow!! What is that on your monitor? A new Marvin!
Nick
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 13:07:23 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Enjoyed the article, Joy.
I did notice that shortly after Laura Bush met with Afghan women, Hillary (aka PIAPS) latched onto her token Afghan woman and began her bleating.
Apparently, the PIAPS has her soiled panties in a wad because Laura Bush is horning-in on "her" territory. It seems that PIAPS has been "a lifelong advocate" and has been "concerned" about the plight of Afghan women for some time, now. (She hasn't actually done ANYTHING, but she has been "concerned".) On behalf of the women of Afghanistan; "Gee thanks, PIAPS...(sarcasm mode-off)"
For neophytes: PIAPS=Pig In A Pant Suit

Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 12:24:06 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Excellent article concerning NOW, Feminists and Afghan women Here.

Favorite quote from article: Siddiq's opinion of Hillary? "She cannot defend her own rights against her husband. How can she defend the rights of my country?"

WOO HOO!

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 12:09:54 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.19.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Bite Me, Jerry!
Kenny
Southpark, CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 12:03:03 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Does this "Carolyn" person know that her guestbook has been turned into a venue for pornography and filth of the most prurient kind..straight from the pit-o-hell???
It is just shocking!

Jerry Falwell
Shreveport, LA USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 12:02:21 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Good morning to yoooou...Good morning to yoooou...Good morning, dear Joy...Good morning to yoooooooou! (We promise...only puppy drawings from now on.)
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 11:58:47 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Nick... *?*

I'm here now! Good morning all! :o]

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 11:47:21 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.19.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


I am sick of getting e-mails from psychics. If they were that good, they would have invested in oil yesterday morning and cashed out last night. They'd've made a killin'!!

Joy?
Nick
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 11:40:41 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


,--__,--.
\/)"(\/
-(_O_)- ---------
 
Good boy, ok. I need to do some work, ah…. go to the neighbor’s yard and give’m a 'holiday' present.

Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 11:07:51 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
On the 13 answers, not the porn or dogs.
Nick
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 10:31:40 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Vlad, ditto here.

Heart attack victim, check your inbox!
Nick
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 10:30:59 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


I cannot decide if it is best to use capital O's or zero's for the picture. They have to be the right size to make the curves "(OO)", ").(" line-up properly.
I think I'll go back to making the puppies.
.,-._,-.
.\/)"(\/
..(_O_)

woof woof!!!
Much better...and It can be enjoyed by the whole family...no elephant dung is necessary.

Vlad the Artiste
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 09:52:19 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I watched “Best in show” last night. That was one funny, funny flick.
Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 07:57:55 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
That last post was a joke, BTW.
Matt
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 03:11:50 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
If the P*rn doesn't stop I'm going to have to quit reading this guestbook..........
Matt
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 03:10:51 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Vlad... keep your day job... good night! :o]

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:16:55 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.86.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oooops! I forgot the br>'s (I am sooo ashamed)

(00)
.).(
( v )
.\!/

Ahhhh, a masterpiece.

Vlad the Starving Artiste
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:12:43 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
And to all a good night! :o]

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:11:32 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.86.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy, don't your understand the artistic qualities of the nude human form?

(00) .).( ( v ) \!/

Now, if I could only find some elephant dung to fling at my monitor...

Vladeric the Artiste
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:10:14 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Actually by the looks of it I'm trying to get me into trouble! The little woman would kill me if she saw me flirtin. But she'd know that I was only kidding, although I do love hammocks.....
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:09:21 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.27.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Aaron - The hammock loop? lol! You ARE trying to get me in trouble!

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:06:52 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.86.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Lem, how's your doggie?

Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:04:35 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.86.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy - Heh. I actually started that message out by saying something to you and then erased it. I obviously didn't erase all of it. I hope this doesn't cut me out of the hammock loop!
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:02:34 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.27.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Nick – Not! Really? I think you are right… I understood… What the hell is that?!? Ok… :o]

Vlad – I agree! It is?!? Ahhh, you like puppies! Vlad!!! OUT of the GUTTER, NOW!

Ted – What a sweetie… Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh… :o]

Aaron – What the?!? Ohhhhhhhhhh, you’re talking to HER… Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm… you trying to get me in trouble?

Fox – what a perv! Why don’t you move to some other country? What a moron… You’ve got to be kidding… Oh brother…

Joy <posts@repliesRus.org>
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 00:58:13 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.86.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Vlad - I think it's interesting that no matter how many facts some people are presented with, they still must resort to ridiculous questions like this. I guess I'd resort to this also if I had nothing better to say.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 00:37:51 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.27.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Answers: (1) No, (2) No, (3) No, (4) Yes, (5) No, (6) No, (7) No,
(8) Yes, (9) Yes, (10) Yes, (11) No, (12) No,
(13) No, (14) No
These answers indicate that I am qualified to serve on a Military Tribunal. I can be available to start on Monday. I look forward to serving.

Vlad the Answer-Man
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 00:36:11 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
COULD YOU BE A TERRORIST? Take this quiz. (1) Are you an immigrant? (2) Are you of Arabic descent? (3) Are you a Muslim? (4) Are you a Christian? (5) Are you a member of a religion not considered "mainstream"? (6) Do you have an offshore bank account? (7) Have you ever donated to a foreign charity? (8) Do you believe the Constitution guarantees a "right to keep and bear arms"? (9) Do you own a gun? (10) Do you consider yourself pro-life/anti-abortion? (11) Have you ever taken part in an anti-abortion demonstration, peace rally, or any other such activity? (12) Have you ever broken any law because you believed you were morally justified in doing so? (13) Do you disagree with any United States government policies, especially foreign policy? (14) Do you believe any "conspiracy theory" involving the United States government, or any agency thereof?.......If you answered "YES" to any of these questions, congratulations!
The U.S. Government May Consider You To Be A Terrorist!
- Monday, December 03, 2001 at 23:24:50 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Hey forget the vacation. Schedule me for some "hammock-time". I sure could use it. :P
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 23:02:41 (EST) from dialup-64.156.35.27.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Why do I keep confusing the names?! Ugh! I obviously was talking to Monica about the comparison, not Joy.

I need a vacation.
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 20:53:13 (EST) from dialup-209.244.76.13.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


"Certainly not enough to give them the power to detain anyone, sentence them to jail or death in secret who they say is a "terrorist" without having to show publicly any proof or this was determined."

Then you should lobby to have the Constitution changed or to have the Supreme Court reverse previous opinions because the President DOES have the power to detain immigration violators and to try non-citizens who are suspected terrorists under military tribunals. And they do have to show the evidence, just not publicly (Thank God) and they don't have to show how they got it (also a good thing, since this can help the terrorists, as I have already shown). If you don't like this system, then lobby to have it changed or move to a country that better suits your political desires.
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 19:58:49 (EST) from dialup-209.245.3.239.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Joy - I know the exact context in which you meant your comparison and I am laughing hysterically at the irony that lies in it. I have no problem with differing opinions but I will expose the fallacy and hypocrisy in them. You confuse this with intolerance. Wrong. I am tolerating your ideas by telling you how flawed they are. You, on the other hand, have tried to pigeonhole myself and Joy for having the gall to disagree with you. This is exactly what the Taliban and hard line Soviets would do. You don't even realize this. Hence my laughter. I thihnk it's funny.

"I think its uncalled for to attact me personally because you disagree with me politically."

Take a good look in the mirror sweetie. I haven't attacked you. If I ever do, you'll know it. I have exposed the flaws in your thinking. You make the classic liberal mistake of confusing the two. Don't resort to personal attacks and pigeonholing just because you don't have anything of value to say. Quit while you're behind. For crying out loud, save some face.
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 19:53:17 (EST) from dialup-209.245.3.239.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Well, I heard someone at work talk about that 20/20 segment on the so-called "Army of God," and it was the usual stuff -- the Saintly Abortionist (oh, I'm sorry, abortion doctor) putting on his bullet-proof vest, the crazy anti-choice fanatics, etc., the grateful women who have had their babies fricaseed by above-mentioned saint, etc. They even trotted out some nutty priest who in so many words, condoned violence against clinics. I do not support violence against abortionists, abortion clinics, etc., but come on -- The Abortionist as Culture Hero? C'mon! When I hear stuff like this, I get so upset that I sometimes do things I'll regret later, like eat a half dozen rasberry-jelly filled Krispy Kreme doughnuts . . .
Melissa
Philly, USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 18:05:37 (EST) from hhcampuslink4.OSIS.UPENN.EDU
Damn right I would go, Nick! That's a no-brainer

Ted the hammockless
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 18:04:14 (EST) from pm13-s16.donet.com
I used to trust Newt Gingrich, until he came to my kid's elementary school to pass out cigarettes. The boy came home with a g*$=@&*d carton of Carlton's. I blew my stack....Carltons???..I didn't even smoke those cr@ppy cigs when I was a teenager!
The boy is an f%$*&ing honor student! He should rate Marlboro's or at least Winstons!br> Newt Gingrich, next time you need someone killed, don't come cryin' to me!

Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 17:49:52 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Actually, I don't trust Hillary, the Democratic Party or the New York Times either. I trust nobody blindly. Certainly not enough to give them the power to detain anyone, sentence them to jail or death in secret who they say is a "terrorist" without having to show publicly any proof or this was determined. Joy, speak for yourself. RAD, make sure to alert the NYT that I've infringed their copyright so they can sue me.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 17:36:15 (EST) from dialup-166.90.47.161.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Hey Serpenthead,
If Bob Dole gives any cigarettes to my kid, make sure that he at least gives him my brand, this time. OK. The last time he got a carton of dorals (yech).

Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 17:27:25 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
LOOK! Some rabid right-wing-nut is just trying to smear and slandah the most moral man that's evah been President. It is just about sex sex sex sex sex...Ken Starr, Linda Tripp, the big Tobacco companies are all out to git Bill and Hillary Clinton just cuz they wanta protect the children and give everybody free healthcare so that old people don't get thrown out of their houses and into the street to make room for Steve Forbes, Donald Trump, Newt Gingrinch, Richard Mellon Scaithe, and Bob Dole to open-up cigarette factories and Tobacco stores to sell cigarettes and matches to all YOUR children. Cuz evil Republicans jist want to kill everybody with handguns, arsenic, pollution, and second-hand smoke so that they can destroy the whole country with nucular bombs, cuz there just crazy with all that big tobacco money. They wanna kill all your babies with cigarette smoke so that they can give big tax cuts to the richest-wealthiest 1% of Americans and destroy the country so that all that is left is Robert Novak and Cal Thomas sitting in their dark mahogany paneled country club and they are drinkng Maker's Mark and smoking fancy cigars and laughing about how they killed everybody and not even Hillary can stop them from taking-over the world, cause everone's dead. But I got news for'em. We're gonna get all those dead people to vote for Hillary, not once, not twice, but three times! So that not even the supreme court is gonna stop us from giving the senior citizens back there medicines and takeaway all big Tobacco's evil cigarette money and use it to build skools for the children so that they can grow up and join unions and not be dead ever-again. Yeah, that's it.
James Carville <CorporalQball@serpenthead.com>
Shreveport, LA USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 17:13:28 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Hey, Ted, if I were to pay for the trip, would you go?

Joy, if I paid for the trip, would you want him to come? Let me know.
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 17:06:44 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Well, hey...all y'all have a good evening...I'm going home. I am mad, I forgot my lunch in my car...very hungry ***chewing on tongue***
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 17:04:41 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I think I got it:
.(OO)
..).(
.(v)
..\!/

Oh, yes! I think I'm in Love!

Wild Bill the Babe Magnet <BillyJob@InternzR4us.com>
Chappequa, NY USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:42:37 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
That doesn't look like Chandra...she didn't have a flat top..but thanks, Vlad!
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:39:19 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
It looks like Chandra Levy! Look I found her, I found her!
Bill the Erotic Emperor of Love <WildBill@Stainman.com>
Chappequa, NY USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:38:43 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oops.
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:38:23 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
It looks like Chandra Levy! Look I found her, I found her!
Bill the Erotic Emperor of Love <WildBill@Stainman.com>
Chappequa, NY USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:38:20 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
.||||||||||
.| |
.| |
( ___ ___)
.| o \ o |
.| O |
.| |
.| ______ |
.| |
..\ /
...------

Thought I'd give it a try.
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:37:28 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


DON'T BLAME ME! I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE GUY!
Vlad el Impeacher
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:35:08 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Let me try that, again.
.(O_O)
..).(
.( v )
..\!/


Billy-Job Clintoon <WildBill@Stainman.com>
Chappequa, NY USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:34:16 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
It was NOT my idea, I was just the first to mention it...right Joy? Hmmm? Was that really your hammock calling? Hmmmm?
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:32:34 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
And then Vlad goes and makes one...now here comes Fox.
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:31:09 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
SEE JOY??!!?? People are probably scratching their heads wondering why I said, "now Fox will be looking at this page for hours"...I thought it was a nude woman's torso. Bad influences.
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:30:16 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
..(O-O)
...).(
..(,v,)
---\/\/

Looky there, I can draw a purty picture, too!

Billy-Job Clintoon <WildBill@Stainman.com>
Chappequa, NY USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:29:58 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Awwwwwwww! Ain't he cute?
Vlad the Puppy-Lover
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:25:50 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
.,-.__,-.
.\/)"(\/
..(_O_)

woof
woof!!!

Vlad (still trying)
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:25:03 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Let me try it.
..,-.__,-. \/)"(\/ (_O_) Sorry Joy, I still don't understand...can you make it any simpler? Duh?

Vlad the Dense
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:22:07 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
.,-._,-.
\/)"(\/
.(_o_)

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:20:38 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.170.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
< br > without the spaces...

Joy the problem solver
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:11:24 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.170.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
How do you get it to skip spaces on this board? I tried it on another message board and it worked great.
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:10:18 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
-------- .,-._,-. .\/)"(\/ ..(_O_).. Look, it's a puppy!
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:08:27 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
OMG - Now *I* need help. I see it. That's not his butt, it's his nose... it's only the dog's head... *help me*

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:06:33 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.170.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Lem - If that's what your dog looks like, I'm not sure the vet can help. I'm so sorry... lol

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:01:10 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.170.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Er, ahhhhhhhhh... Lem? Share your feelings with the group... *?*

Vlad... rofl

Nick... it was YOUR idea... I think you should pay... :o]

Monica - I have no further response to the level of moronity you display.

(I love making up words. I should have my own dictionary.)

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 15:59:54 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.170.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


You guys crak me up, ;) This is my dog, I think i need to take him to the vet.
Lem
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 15:53:52 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
I have pondered the meaning and I am convinced that Lem needs a large NEA grant and an exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum of Fine Art. Does anyone have any elephant dung that we could borrow?
Vlad the Art Critic
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 15:00:58 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I'm looking at it trying to decide what the heck it is...
Ted
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 14:54:18 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Great, Lem, now Fox will be looking at this page for hours...way to go!
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 14:40:05 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
,-._,-.
\/)"(\/
.(_o_)

Lem
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 14:33:17 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
"you seem to trust the leaders of the Democratic Party and the NY Times " yeah enough to commit copyright infringrment by posting a whole article
Rad
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 14:20:22 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Monica...one question about your post: Do you trust Hillary Clinton?
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 14:19:07 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Yeah, Monica, you seem to trust the leaders of the Democratic Party and the NY Times pretty well...WHAT EV ER

Ted
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 14:02:56 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
"be safe don't trust ANYONE trusting anyone or anything may cause great harm to oneself!" Right RAD. That's my credo. Especially governments, leaders of political parties and large corporations, and clerics of large and powerful religious institutions.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:57:14 (EST) from 227-pool4.ras10.casnc.tii-dial.net
Nick, the $$ isn't the problem...I just thought that since you came up with that idea that you'd like to see it through the planning phase into implementation.

damn now I talk like a corporate drone...sheesh

Ted
Dayton, OH USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:52:23 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com


I will not question your past. I try to give everyone a chance. You probably did at one time, too, eh? There are people in my life I MUST trust. My wife is one of them. I choose to. How have things been for you, Rad?
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:51:16 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Nick,
Oh I'm VERY serious!
I learned my lesson the hard way

Rad
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:48:50 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Wow, a post from Rad. A rare treat. My sarcasm sensors are attempting to find the amount of sarcasm and seriousness in your post **sensing, scanning**.
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:43:54 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"Femecide warns that I should not trust women any more. "
Nick be safe don't trust ANYONE
trusting anyone or anything may cause great harm to oneself!

RAD
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:41:05 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Listen to me...I have said butt in three different posts lately! Joy, you are a bad influence!
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:33:28 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Uh, oh...cute butt, better looking than Sam Neill (whoever that is), hammockable, but no scrilla? No loot?

Who would like to take up on offering for Ted's ticket? :) Joy?
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:28:25 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Hey Nick, great idea...I'll tell you where you can send the $$! haha
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 13:21:35 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Hey, Ted, Soutwest has fares from Columbus to Phoenix for $266 (round trip).
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:30:51 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I will wake up and tipe gud... eep...

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:21:40 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Now why would I make such a request of a nice, cute man upstanding gentleman such as Ted? I never!

(pssst... Ted... you do still have my email addy, right?)

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:20:42 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


What are you two waiting for? Ohio has nothing (Bengals lost to Bucs, hurray), and the hammock is empty. Ted, maybe you need to send a pic of your butt to get this thing going, eh, Joy?
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:16:37 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hammocking GOOOOD...
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:14:30 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Might it be Carlos? Miner's and feminists...
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:13:24 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hey Adam, the dopey guy on Rightgirl has been informed that the name "Adam" is already taken. So, now he is posting under the name "femicide". He's probably just some grotesque dork that can't get a date.
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:10:16 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Seeya when you get back Adam! *waving*

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:09:28 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh, is there a dope on Rightgrrl named Adam? Well, it can't be helped. I won't bother to look. Anyway, I am going to my office party tonight and in order to beat the terrorists, I will have three martinis (Sapphire, no olive, a twist) on you all. Assuming I survive that, I am off on a business trip for the rest of the week so if I don't respond, I am not ignoring you. As for sister Monica and those who tilt so far away from the United States and towards the most dreadful evil, here is my take. I have lived among these people my entire life. I grew up on the upper west side of Manhattan (which was not nearly as chic then as now, this was pre-Yuppie) in the 60's and 70's. I still know many ^^blame America first^^ people and number some of them as friends. What's happening is this, the paradigm has shifted this fall in ways I don't think anybody understands yet. This paradigm shift will take years, probably an entire generation to shake out. As it shakes out, all people ought to rethink what they believe. I know I have been doing so. But many want to spout the comfortable nostrums that they have always known. The left that is not rethinking itself (and many liberals have rethought themselves, to their credit) fall into two camps. One camp is the unreconstructed Marxist/Lenninst. They are now flushed out into the open as they have not been since perhaps the Hiss case. The other camp are the fools. They are unable to adjust their thinking but their case has become more and more indefensible. For this reason, their arguments become more and more distanced from any appearance of common sense. Thus we have Pacifica Radio saying that food drops in Afghanistan are tanatamount to giving smallpox infested blankets to Indians . Another example of this are the posts of Monica. The connections to previous facist regimes become more fanciful. The source material (which are attempts to provide a patina of legitimacy) more irrelevant to the case at hand. See you all in a week.
Adam
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 12:03:20 (EST) from gate.timeinc.com
SPANKING TIME!
Vlad the Disciplinarian
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:58:54 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Men good too. Especially ones with cute butts. OH NO NICK! There's that word again!!!

But they must have a love of Hammocking... :oD

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:56:17 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Has anybody read about the progress on the William Jefferson Clintoon Presidential Liebrary that is being built in Little Rock???********It will be the only Presidential library where all the books come in brown paper wrappers and the familiar "boomp boomp-diddy-boomp" porn music is piped-in over the PA system, to project the appropriate atmosphere.
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:54:32 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I guess it's too late for me, with Mrs. Vlad and little Vlad running around my house.
Vlad the Husband & Father
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:46:44 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Women good...

Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:45:55 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Femecide warns that I should not trust women any more. Is that guy gay, or what? I'll take my chances!
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:44:44 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Nick - No, I meant the damien one, and was responding with 'denied!'

I'm too tired to get things in the right order. If anyone wants to get the best of me, today's the day. Ack...

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:37:00 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


"As to the other... picture the scene on the car with the plane flying overhead! :op :op"

What? That is where Damien came from...are you talking about Bugs Bunny being attractive?
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:27:05 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Morning fodder:

A California journalist whose dog was allegedly attacked by a library cat is suing the city of Escondido for violating his civil rights by creating a hostile environment for him and his "assistance dog."

Richard Espinosa, a former reporter for the North County Times, says he suffers from anxiety attacks and that his California-certified Labrador assistance dog accompanies him to help him deal with them. A sign at the library saying "No Animals" except guide dogs violated his right and those of others who use assistance dogs to enter the city library, he claims.

Espinosa claims that his dog was viciously mauled by L.C., the library cat, when he entered the building last year. The city was negligent, he believes, for allowing him "to come into an unknown and very dangerous and unsafe situation striking terror in [him] and causing him lasting physical and emotional injury" and permanent damage to his dog.

He wants $1.5 million in damages. His vet bill was $46.49.

This was from Fox News PC files. LOL!

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:21:29 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Nick - apparently you missed where I said 'assholes'... :op

As to the other... picture the scene on the car with the plane flying overhead! :op :op

Denied!

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:08:59 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Joy, how can I possibly be reading into this: "Oh... and Teeeeeeed... just thought you'd be interested to know it's about 75-80 degrees outside... perfect Hammocking weather. ;oD."?

Then, you said, "butt" on this guestbook...you oughta be ashamed. Must of been just after the "viewing", eh?

Damien!
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:00:41 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


Joy, just to show I have little life, there are movie quizzes somewhere on the net...I took the WW one and scored 100%...one of few to do it. He shoots, he scores!!
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 10:52:56 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Nick - I most excellently did! Bonus!

And Ted is absolutely correct, it's appearances over substance.

Coffee, STAT!

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 10:40:32 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


"The real reason that Monica and other liberals don't like the tribunals is because they will succeed, and they don't want the Commander in Chief to have any success, period. Liberals are not results oriented, they are appearance oriented"

Bravo, Ted!

"Get the net"...Joy, watch it this weekend?

Man, Vlad and Aaron barely got any sleep last night. Hope everyone had a good weekend!
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 10:32:59 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com


From Aaron's post:******** "Since Vic left it is now Monica's job to be the knee-jerk liberal who post's without thinking."********************** I don't remember saying that, but it certainly does sound like something I would say. Notice the sublime sexual- double-entendre of using the words;"Monica", "job", and "knee" all in one sentence. (If Herr Freud had ever psychoanalyzed me, he would probably have given-up his career and gone into the dry-cleaning business)
Vlad the Linguist
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 10:23:06 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
My sister is on a roll…..
 
Twas the night before payback and all through the land,
They're running like rabbits in Afghanistan;
 
Osama's been praying, he's down on his knees,
He's hoping that Allah will hear all his pleas.
 
He thought if he killed us that we'd fall and shatter,
But all that he's done is just make us madder.
 
We ain't yet forgotten our Marines in Beirut,
And we'll kick your butt, with one heavy boot.
 
And, yes, we remember the USS Cole,
And the lives of our sailors that you b*st*rds stole.
 
You think you can rule us and cause us to fear,
You'll soon get the answer, if you live to hear.
 
And we ain't forgotten your buddy Saddam,
And he ain't forgotten the sound of our bombs;
 
You think that those mountains are somewhere to hide,
They'll go down in history as the place where you died.
 
Remember Khadhafi and his Line of Death?
He came very close to his final breath.
 
So come out and prove it, that you are a man,
Cause our boys are coming and they have a plan.
 
They are fathers and they are our sons,
And they sure do carry some mighty big guns;
 
They would have stayed home with children and wives,
Till you b*st*rds came here and took all these lives.
 
Osama, I wrote this especially for you,
For airmail delivery by B-52;
 
You soon will be hearing a thud and a whistle,
Old Glory is coming, attached to a missile.
 
I will not be sorry to see your butt go.........
It's Red, White, and Blue that is running this show.

Lem
Pearl River, NY USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 09:30:56 (EST) from 207.198.221.121
Monica, you actually started the personal attacks when you made your comparison. To now "apologize" and then act as the wounded party that did nothing wrong is immature, dishonest, and really just stupid.
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 08:50:24 (EST) from gw.reyrey.com
Joy and Aaron, I was not comparing you to OBL in the sense of equating you with the perpetrator of his crimes. I do think you're fanatical and intolerant of questioning of government policies you support and in this sense your attitudes resemble those of an extreme religious fundamentalist or dogmatic believer in a political ideology. I think its uncalled for to attact me personally because you disagree with me politically.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 04:03:23 (EST) from dialup-166.90.46.53.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/eastman/01/tribunals.html

Another great article. I'd cut and paste a section but every single part of this is great.
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 01:39:04 (EST) from dialup-63.211.247.81.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


http://www.nationalreview.com/17dec01/bork121701.shtml

Another excellent analysis of military tribunals. I am cutting and pasting one section because this sticks out as very important and I feel if someone only takes one thing from this article, they should take this:

"The conclusive argument, however, is that in open trials our government would inevitably have to reveal much of our intelligence information, and about the means by which it is gathered. Charles Krauthammer notes that in the trial of the bombers of our embassies in Africa, the prosecution had to reveal that Amer ican intelligence intercepted bin Laden's satellite phone calls: "As soon as that testimony was published, Osama stopped using the satellite system and went silent. We lost him. Until Sept. 11." Disclosures in open court would inform not only Middle Eastern terrorists but all the intelligence services of the world of our methods and sources."
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 01:30:44 (EST) from dialup-63.211.247.81.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Someone (I think it was Vlad) said that since Vic left it was now Monica's job to be the knee-jerk liberal who posts without thinking.

Vlad, I hope you're happy.
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 01:25:24 (EST) from dialup-63.211.247.81.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Joy - excellent post. You do a great job of pointing out how Monica is doing exactly what she is accusing us of doing. The irony is surreal.

"Again, you're assuming that anyone arrested for and or charged with a crime is automatically guilty of that crime."

Nowhere did we say this at all. ANYONE put on trial would have ample chance to show their innocence and they STILL have to be proven guilty. The just don't get to see how the evidence was gathered and they don't get to turn the trial into a circus. Furthermore, the witnesses against the accused won't have to worry about retribution against them.

Monica, once again your ignorance precedes you. And once again you lead with your chin. There is nothing wrong with military tribunals. There is ample precedent for military tribunals. And there is plenty of constitutional authority for military tribunals. For you to say that they facilitate a dirty war is again ridiculous and shows how your opinions are guided by nothing but kneekjerk reactions and blatant fear of anyone to the right of Karl Marx.

With regards to the detainees, these are immigranst who are here illegally and have violated immigration laws. The US Supreme Court has ruled that detainees held on immigration charges can be held for up to one year and that their names do not have to be released. It's about time someone took a hard, protective stance against these people. If Clinton did this we might not be facing the crisis we are facing today.

"I apolOgize for comparing you, Joy and Aaron to Islamic Jihadists because I realize that I insulted Muslims, who include many fellow US citizens."

Monica, I have been to many places, lived in 11 different states and one other foreign country. I seen many things and met a lot of people. You just might be the stupidest, most ignorant, most uninformed and most immature person I have ever had the pleasure of running across. You make charges based on incorrect facts, assumptions based on a lack of evidence, and decisions based on knee-jerk, liberal reactions. Then you adopt the common liberal tactic of taking people who disagree with you and compare them to the Islamic fundamentalists or Soviet Hardliners, still not realizing how much this very thing makes you like these groups. Your ignorance is only matched by your intolerance.
Aaron
CO USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 01:23:28 (EST) from dialup-63.211.247.81.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


"To use the grief many people all over the world feel about the horrors and tragedies of September 11, 2001 to smear someone who disagrees with you and the government insults all the people who lost loved ones that day." YOU are the one that did that by comparing Aaron and me to bin Laden! Don't you get anything?

Get the net! ONE MORE TIME... you are making an egregious assumption that those arrested will not get a fair trial. YOU ARE WRONG. Tribunals are fair, you just don't get it.

You are willing to sacrifice American lives... American safety... and you call yourself a patriot! You insult this country in more ways than I can count. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Joy
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 00:19:12 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.182.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


"Do you know how insulting you are Monica to all the people who died in the trade center and pentagon and on those planes when you turn around and compare people like Aaron and me to bin Laden? Typical liberal tactic though." To use the grief many people all over the world feel about the horrors and tragedies of September 11, 2001 to smear someone who disagrees with you and the government insults all the people who lost loved ones that day. "What you continue to fail to understand is that YOUR thinking places AMERICANS in danger. The only people we are placing in danger are terrorists and the spys of terrorists." Again, you're assuming that anyone arrested for and or charged with a crime is automatically guilty of that crime. I am not saying the US is like Argentina when I bring up that incident from Jacobo Timmerman's book. But I think what he said about trying terrorists there as opposed to killing them without a trial could also apply with that creep Osama Bin Ladin (Die Schlag shold sie trefen!) and other terrorists. The authorization of "commissions" to convict and possibly execute accused terrorists without a fair trial, the promotion of the acceptance of torture, the mass detention of over one-thousand people of Middle-Eastern or South Asian origin incommunicado, and the unPATRIOTic Act, or Pro-Terrorist Law recently passed by Congress, would facilitate a "dirty war" like the one in Argentina and other South American countries in the 1970's and early '80's. I apolOgize for comparing you, Joy and Aaron to Islamic Jihadists because I realize that I insulted Muslims, who include many fellow US citizens. I would suggest for anyone to read "Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number" by Jacobo Timmerman, and also to check out WWW.RAWA.ORG, the site of the Revolutionary Assn. of the Women of Afghanistan, a group of very courageous women who risked their lives to expose abuses by the Taliban.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 00:00:49 (EST) from dialup-64.156.226.169.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Life just isn't fair...Joy basks in glorious hammocking weather, and I hang Xmas lights for 6 hours in 40 degree weather...*sob*
Ted the hammockless <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 22:50:11 (EST) from pm12-s15.donet.com
Behold, I bring you tidings of great joy. For unto you is born this day in the city of Kentwood, a babe, which is Britney Lynne Spears.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BRITNEY!
- Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 20:56:57 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Oh... and Teeeeeeed... just thought you'd be interested to know it's about 75-80 degrees outside... perfect Hammocking weather. ;oD

Joy & her Hammock
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 16:26:34 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.233.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
And Lem - hillarious! lol!

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 16:22:24 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.233.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Rad - You are correct. I don't know why I still expect something rational from them. It's amazing the connections they have to contrive in an attempt to justify their positions.

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 16:21:49 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.233.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I find it absolutely shocking that anyone would be concerned about the 'civil' rights of terrorists. and let's not forget Monica compared the US today to Argentina in the 70's... I'm still shaking my head over that... Joy thats Liberals/socialists for ya
Rad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 15:53:12 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
An e-mail from my sister reads….
 
A man in his 40s bought a new BMW and was out driving it at top speed when he suddenly saw flashing blue lights behind him.
 
'There's no way they can catch a BMW,' he thought to himself and sped up even more. Then the reality of the situation hit him, 'What the hell am I doing?' he thought and pulled over. The traffic cop came up to him, took his driving license without a word, and examined it and the car.
 
'It's been a long day, it is the end of my shift, and it's Friday the 13th. I don't feel like more paperwork, so if you can give me an excuse for your driving that I haven't heard before, you can go.'
 
The man thinks for a second and says, 'Last week my wife ran off with a policeman. I was afraid you were trying to give her back.'
 
'Have a nice weekend,' said the officer.

Lem
The Bronx, NY USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 12:09:56 (EST) from ACAA9499.ipt.aol.com
Oh and here is an excellent article about the supposed media recount... They just can't stop losing can they?

Here

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 11:16:08 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.98.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


I find it absolutely shocking that anyone would be concerned about the 'civil' rights of terrorists.

and let's not forget Monica compared the US today to Argentina in the 70's... I'm still shaking my head over that...

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 11:13:05 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.98.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Yes, these liberals that are banging their high-chairs and whining about "civil rights" for Al Qeida terrorists are the same liberals that sat silent while Sore Loserman disenfranchised over 10 thousand overseas military voters. Please spare us your false "concern".
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 10:57:02 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hey Adam! There's some Neanderthal on Rightgrrl using your name. I had to do a double-take when I read his post.

This is Adam... this is Adam on drugs... lol JUST KIDDING... :oD

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 10:27:12 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.98.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Monica - What Aaron said... I think it's comical the way liberals immediately go to absurd comparisons and personal insults when they are losing the argument to logic.

Do you know how insulting you are Monica to all the people who died in the trade center and pentagon and on those planes when you turn around and compare people like Aaron and me to bin Laden? Typical liberal tactic though.

What you continue to fail to understand is that YOUR thinking places AMERICANS in danger. The only people we are placing in danger are terrorists and the spys of terrorists. And even they, as Aaron so elequently pointed out, will get fair trials. Innocent people aren't going to be herded into gas chambers... CNN simply won't be able to glean ratings from the trials.

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 10:12:31 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.98.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Another good point.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 03:26:11 (EST) from dialup-209.245.3.99.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Since neither the Taliban or the Northern Alliance signed the Geneva convention, neither side is under any obligation to follow it. Afghanistan did sign the Geneva convention, but that was by a government that was deposed long- ago. I find it strange that all these organizations like International Red Cross and Amnesty International all have their panties in a wad over the Northern Alliance killing Al Qeida prisoners, but we didn't hear any wailing protests from those organizations when the Taliban executed that caputured opposition leader near Kabul or when they assasinated Masood.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 03:08:41 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Thanks
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:56:08 (EST) from dialup-209.245.3.132.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Good point, Aaron.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:53:18 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
If we want to get technical, those picked up in America who are part of al Qaeda are really spies--who don't even qualify for the POW protections of the Geneva conventions.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:51:34 (EST) from dialup-209.245.3.132.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
I wonder how far Carolyn has gotten on posting the pictures that everyone sent- in a few weeks ago. I know that she is very busy (whenever I check the Carolyn-cam she seems to be diligently working at her desk), but has anyone heard the status?
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:48:07 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Then let's just say that you are misguided and leave it at that. The President is not intending to round-up suspects and execute them without trial. These terrorist suspects are foreign nationals that have come to this country with the intention of attacking and killing our citizens. Responding to an attack by an armed foreign power is NOT the responsibility of law enforcement personnel and the criminal courts. This is what the Department of Defense is for. In all of our wars, enemy combatants that were captured by US forces were incarcerated without trial. Ones that operated in civilian clothes or wore U.S. uniforms were tried and punished my military courts (many were executed). What Americans are not used to is that the enemy has reached our shores and the attack actually occurred here. The enemy did not shoplift, pass bad checks, or rob a filling-station. They committed an act of war. The response to an act of war is to be from the Department of Defense. The way some liberals are behaving, you would think that their desired response to the 9/11 attacks would be to call the NY city police department and let them handle it as a homocide. You don't ask the police and courts to wage war.
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:43:16 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
No, I wish....
Matt
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:42:35 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Monica, to say that Joy and I sound like the Taliban or Islamic fundamentalists is a lie and a distortion. What you fail to comprehend is that this DOES safeguard the rights of innocents and it IS a fair trial. This affects non-citizens who commit acts of war against the US.

"This kind of simplistic thinking and smearing of someone for expressing a disagreement and questioning an action of the government is what I mean when I say you think and act alot like the Taliban and the The Soviet Union's Government and its supporters. "

You need to take a big look in the mirror because this is exactly what you are doing. You are failing to comprehend the whole system of military tribunals, how there is ample precedent for them and how there is plenty of Constitutional and legal authority for President Bush to establish them. On top of that you smear anyone who disagrees with you. This is not only a common tactic for the Taliban and Soviet Union's government but for the government of Nazi Germany.

Your ignorance and simplistic thinking astound me.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:41:41 (EST) from dialup-209.245.3.132.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Joy, to say I "sympathize with terrorists" is a lie and distortion. I just think that anyone accused of a serious crime, who possible faces the death penalty, should have a fair trial and we should safeguard the rights of INNOCENT people from being falsely convicted for terrorism. This kind of simplistic thinking and smearing of someone for expressing a disagreement and questioning an action of the government is what I mean when I say you think and act alot like the Taliban and the The Soviet Union's Government and its supporters.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 02:10:01 (EST) from dialup-166.90.41.224.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Hey Matt, are you the same "Matt" who's picture is in Carolyn's picture section with all the Joe's???
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:42:40 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I'm still here.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:32:39 (EST) from dialup-209.245.2.211.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Yes
Matt
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:30:13 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Hey, is anybody else out there???
Vlad the Insomniac
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:24:47 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I think I should take this opportunity to say good night. I have a host to entertain. Now, does that mean I must say good night again? Oh well. Good night. Love you all.
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:17:47 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Marvin is probably lonely.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:11:48 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Aren’t nightlights supposed to guide you to the facilities?
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:07:20 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Carolyn should put a nightlite in her office, so that her Cam is not so dark and scary at night.
Vlad the Imbiber
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:03:29 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I’m cracking up.
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 01:01:34 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Jonah Goldberg could come up with a good one. He is the guy that coined the term; "Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys" for the French.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:59:36 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
That last one sounds like the a name for a wrestling tag team.
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:59:29 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Since they refer to us as "the Great Satan", we could start calling them; "The Great Unwashed".
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:58:07 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Morroting Muslims?
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:57:20 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
How about tiny-brained defilers of other people's goats?....No that's too long
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:55:48 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Ummmmm. Terrorist assholes?

No spanking Vlad! Another good cause! :op

Joy <titles@wordsRus>
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:54:05 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Malcontentionist muslims?
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:53:34 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Oh, I welcome the challenge. Mmmm, lets see ‘revisionist muslims’. Nahhh it doesn’t roll off. Does anybody have any other proposals?
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:51:33 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Nah I haven't been there yet. I'll try to check it out.

What a bunch of alcoholics we are :P
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:48:47 (EST) from dialup-209.245.2.211.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Good point Lem. What should we call them from now on? You sound like you're in a creative space... let's hear a good one!

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:43:34 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Vlad - Regarding the aformentioned person. Some things are just better let go. I'm still just shaking my head that someone would stoop so low. But I really don't see a point in continuing to bring it up. It's the same way I feel about Clinton being gone. I don't wonder... I'm just grateful. And our computers are safe! :o]

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:41:18 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ah, I propose we revise the description “muslim fundamentalist”. There is nothing fundamental in terrorism. To the contrary, it lacks foundation. Oh, I’m having a couple of coronas. Salud. Aaron, Vlad.
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:40:46 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Hey Aaron, have you been over on Lucianne.com, tonight. Some guy is posting under the name "Vlad" but it's not me! (I'm Jr Sample @ BR549)...........I saw the article about the "American" that was fighting with the Taliban. Grrrrrrrrr I'm mad.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:37:15 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Sorry, that last word should be "stuff" not "staff". Ooops.
Vlad the Contrite
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:33:47 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I ran out of beer and am working on Mrs. Vlad's bottle of white zinfindel. I'm just too lazy (and impaired) to drive to the nearest store. I'm kinda gettin used to this grape staff.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:32:47 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hey Joy, have you gotten any other email contact from Victor/Victoria? Did Carolyn block her from the guestbook? Do you think that she/he still lurks here? (Enquiring minds want to know)
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:30:12 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Vlad, I am on my 4th Bacardi Limon and Coke. I'm feeling no pain.

Those fundamentalists muslims are also against pre-marital sex. Boy are they gonna be pissed at me later on.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:28:24 (EST) from dialup-209.245.2.211.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


I used to have message boards that were frequently used, but I got tired of playing house monitor. I'm sure Carolyn can relate. :o] They are still there, but I cut off the links and passworded them so they can no longer be used. And I must confess to not being nearly as tolerant as Carolyn is. So being house monitor was a thankless job.

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:25:23 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Is anybody else out there consuming vast quantities of adult beverages? I am. Since those fundamentalist muslims are against drinkin' then I'm gonna do the American-thing and demonstrate open defiance. (No need to be driving the truck, tonight)
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:23:46 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Joy's site is enjoyable, but it does not have a guestbook, like Carolyns. But, I must concede, Carolyn's site does not have a beach, clouds, kitties & birds, or music. They serve completely differenct purposes and do NOT compete.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:19:35 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Oh oh... glad I didn't write what I wanted to in that last post!

But Vlad, I toned it down by using butt... you KNOW what I wanted to write! lol So I don't think I deserve discipline in this instance. It was for a just cause. :o]

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:18:14 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Joy I have visited your site. I want to say more but I don’t want to make Carolyn jealous. It’s the loyalty thing you know. ;)
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:17:17 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
I just read about the 'American' traitor Ted posted about. I can't say what I think because right now I could only use words unfit for this guestbook.

Yes, tribunals are necessary...

Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:16:16 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Joy, I am shocked at such a potty-mouthed comment. You obviously need more spankings, young lady!
Vlad the Disciplinarian
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:15:58 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
"Terrorists do not deserve the same level of service afforded to our brave men and women in uniform." Exactly Aaron, and we have stated this repeatedly in different ways and still Monica pushes for this.

Like I said before Monica, I simply cannot tolerate people who sympathize with terrorists. Terrorists HAVE NO RIGHTS.

I wish to correct one thing Aaron... you say she has her head in the sand... I say it's up her butt. :o]

Joy <me@knowitall.com>
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:09:37 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


By the way, I want take this opportunity to invite you all to come to NYC and with your presence prove what we all know to be true. We shall prevail.
Lem
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:07:16 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Vlad - EXCELLENT POINT! I can't wait to use that logic and see what a liberal says.

Lem - I agree. Taking the high road is a must.
Aaron
CO USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:04:43 (EST) from dialup-209.245.2.211.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


I just hope that these liberal demonrats just keep-up this noble crusade to defend the "civil rights" of Middle Eastern Terrorists all the way through the next election. They can even make Senator (Osama) Pat Leaky their patron saint. Back during the Clintoon-Monica fiasco, we kept hearing from James Carville type demonrats: "Hey, everybody does it. Roosavelt, Eisenhower, Harding, Jefferson...they all cheated on their wives, so its OK for Clinton to do it..this is only about sex!"..................Now that is quite a contrast to George Bush invoking executive powers as commander in chief to protect America from Terrorists. He is rightfully using the same authority that was utilized by Roosavelt, Lincoln, and Washington. What's the matter? They all do it? Right???
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:59:15 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I think that in odder to successfully fight this enemy we should not loose sight of the fact that our success and strength as a nation will always be threaten. It is our strength as a moral and just people to take the high ground in the most dire and seemingly not self-preserving circumstances. I heard someone say that a judge somewhere said (I haven’t looked it up) “the constitution is not a suicide pact”. That’s a good line. Part of the oath “King Bush” (Monica’s crypto) took does say, “to defend and protect”. I believe that this is what is in Bush’s hart.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:53:43 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Lem - I don't have a problem with expressing concern over military tribunals, but when ignorant people like Monica state that they "set the precedent for taking away of all of our Constitutional rights" then someone has to point out what reactionary, kneejerk, claptrap this is. I don't mind disagreement. I do mind people making absurd statements that can be debunked using the least amount of thought.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:39:48 (EST) from dialup-209.245.2.211.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Monica, First off, you can find the website at the top of the application and if you don't know it you can always go to the NY Times and look for it.

Second, the NY Times is a joke. By posting an article from it you are insulting everyone's intelligence.

Third, I am well aware that military Tribunals are not courts-martial. Terrorists do not deserve the same level of service afforded to our brave men and women in uniform.

Monica, you have danced around the truth and ignored the facts and spouted off theories with your head stuck completely in the sand. Noody's rights are violated and George Bush certainly has the precedent for these tribunals as well as the Constitutional ability to arrange them. You have added no facts to support any of your wide sweeping generalizations and have even resorted to say that Joy and myself "sound like you could just as easily be in the Taliban or be Islamic Fundamentalist Jihadists, or for that matter Hardline supporters of the former Soviet regime." Please illustrate how we sound this way. We have done nothing except back up our opinions with facts. You have insulted namecalled and made statements that have no basis and you have blown up when pointed out how wrong you are. It is THIS behavior that resembles the Taliban or Islamic Jihad. It is also this type of behavior that resembles the Hardline Soviet Regime. Instead of pointing fingers, try to look at the facts.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:37:09 (EST) from dialup-209.245.2.211.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Here's an example of media sympathy for the enemy...this will make your blood boil, except for poor, pathetic Monica...this will make her have even more sympathy for our enemy.

And you should apologize, Monica, you are 2 million light years off base.
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:31:32 (EST) from pm07-s32.donet.com


Although misguided in this case, the scrutiny of military tribunals is not without merit. If we are right (and of course we are) lets not shy away from criticism, to the contrary lets welcome it. you sound like you could just as easily be in the Taliban or be Islamic Fundamentalist Jihadists, Sorry Monica, that’s a bit of a stretch.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:28:31 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
First, my apologies for such a long cut and paste. I would have made a link but didn't know how and didn't know the URL. I just think this article has important information on the matter of military commission sessions for accused "terrorists". I think its an important point that the article features military legal figures saying the proposed military commisstions are NOT courtsmartial. One writer was saying if they were good enough for our servicepeople they were good enough for defendents accused of terrorism. As for the idea that I'm more concerned about our "enemies" you're acting under the assumption that anyone accused of or tried for a crime is automatically guilty and thats not correct. Joy and Aaron, you sound like you could just as easily be in the Taliban or be Islamic Fundamentalist Jihadists, or for that matter Hardline supporters of the former Soviet regime. The same fanatical them or us mentality.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:19:16 (EST) from dialup-63.208.132.204.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Im kindly responding Joy, but Eugene's internet connection is frequently lost for some reason. Please bear with me.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 23:03:30 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
oh oh Camilo Sexto, my category artist.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:50:55 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Lem - I understand that "She loves the country in her own way." I just believe that her way of loving it is dangerous. If people who think the way she does get their way, many many of OUR men and women in the armed forces, FBI and CIA will lose their lives. And we would not be able to fight this terrorism the way we need to be able to. But I do understand that she cares. She is very misguided though.

I just can't tolerate someone with more sympathy for the enemy than for their own people. This is war, not scrabble.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:48:41 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


We are listening to sappy romantic spanish songs we grew up listening in the Dominican Republic trying to see if we still remmember the words. Im loosing.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:34:22 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Lets not be harsh on Monica. She loves the country in her own way. It may be difficult to believe that but her efforts show that she cares.
Lem
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:16:44 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Lem - Glad to hear it! Say hi for me! (I don't know him, but if he's your friend...):o]

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:13:41 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I’m at Eugene’s in lower Manhattan. I’m very happy; we have finally got together after what has happened. I’m struck by the fact that there is no discernable sign of change about him because of what happened in his city. He has not lost his sense of humor.
Lem
Manhattan, NY USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:06:22 (EST) from user-2inij3u.dialup.mindspring.com
Ps Monica - you can space by placing this < p > without the spaces before each paragraph.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:03:37 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I think she is also attempting the liberal bait and switch. We are talking about Tribunals and she is attempting to get us tripped up comparing tribunals to courts-martial. Nice try Monica, but I think everyone here knows the difference. Oh oh... there I go speaking for everyone again. My bad!

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 22:02:06 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ted they are not even her thoughts. She is cutting and pasting articles from the NY Times.

What a joke.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 21:55:54 (EST) from dialup-209.245.14.193.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Ahh clogging up the guestbook with cut and pastes because you've run out of arguments. I could just paste articles contradicting your opinion, but I think I'll be original instead.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 21:53:03 (EST) from dialup-209.245.14.193.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Good lord, Monica, ever heard of spacing?

The real reason that Monica and other liberals don't like the tribunals is because they will succeed, and they don't want the Commander in Chief to have any success, period. If they did, they wouldn't on one hand say that they wished harm on the terrorists, then on the other wring their hands over their "rights", etc.

Liberals are not results oriented, they are appearance oriented...a public trial has a better appearance to them(no matter the outcome) than a secret trial or execution, and that just won't do.
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 21:38:23 (EST) from pm07-s32.donet.com


Here is something from Tomorrow's New York Times Tribunal Comparison Taints Courts-Martial, Military Lawyers Say By WILLIAM GLABERSON ormer military lawyers say they are angered by a public perception, fed most recently by the top White House lawyer, that the military tribunals authorized by President Bush are merely wartime versions of American courts-martial, a routine part of military life with a longstanding reputation for openness and procedural fairness. In fact, the proposed tribunals are significantly different from courts- martial, the lawyers say, adding that confusion between the two has distorted the debate over the tribunals and unfairly denigrated military justice. "It bothers me that people are thinking we try thousands of people this way in the courts-martial system," said Ronald W. Meister, a New York lawyer who is a former Navy lawyer and judge. "We do nothing of the sort. These commissions are a totally different animal." John S. Cooke, a retired Army judge who is the chairman of the American Bar Association's committee on armed forces law, said military courts had been tainted by association with the tribunals, which many commentators, politicians and civil libertarians criticized as an effort to find a foolproof shortcut to a guilty verdict. Richard Perry/The New York Times Ronald W. Meister, a former Navy lawyer and judge, says tribunals are not courts-martial. "These commissions are a totally different animal." Standard military courts closely resemble civilian courts in many ways, Mr. Cooke said. He added that they offered many of the fundamental protections that critics had said the president ignored in his Nov. 13 order authorizing the military tribunals. Courts-martial, for example, are governed by rules of evidence similar to those in civilian courts. They give defendants full rights to appeal a conviction, require proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and require a unanimous decision to impose the death penalty. But those and many other protections were missing from the sketchy outline of the tribunals proposed in the president's order. The administration is working on more detailed rules, and officials have said the criticism is premature. But the order specified some details that distinguished the tribunals from courts-martial. The order provides, for instance, that sentences — apparently including the death penalty — can be imposed by a two- thirds vote of the tribunal members. In courts-martial, the rules limiting the kind of evidence that can be heard are as strict as they are in civilian courts. Hearsay, for example, is limited in both civilian courts and courts-martial because it is often unreliable. But the president's order suggested that any evidence — apparently including hearsay — would be admitted if it had "probative value to a reasonable person." Despite the differences between the systems, administration officials have sometimes seemed to confuse the two. In an Op-Ed article in The New York Times on Friday, Alberto R. Gonzales, the White House counsel, defended the commissions, saying they would be fair. Mr. Gonzales continued with an assertion that appeared to liken the commissions to courts-martial. "The American military justice system is the finest in the world," he wrote, "with longstanding traditions of forbidding command influence on proceedings, of providing zealous advocacy by competent defense counsel and of procedural fairness." Some critics say the administration appears to be fostering the confusion to blunt criticism of the tribunals. "The confusion benefits the administration," said Eric M. Freedman, a professor of constitutional law at Hofstra University School of Law in Hempstead, N.Y. "If the government can spread the impression that the tribunals are like the courts- martial, that would allay many fears." In the battle of perception, both sides have been making statements that may not be accurate. Critics have said tribunals will conduct "secret trials." Mr. Gonzalez wrote that the commissions "will be as open as possible," though the president's order permits closed proceedings. It is not clear how far the administration will go in closing proceedings. But lawyers say the issue of whether the trials will be public also shows the differences between the two military systems. Courts-martial, like civilian courts, are presumed to be open, and judges close them only in extraordinary circumstances. Some lawyers say such contrasts show how different the two systems are. They say the administration seems unaware that trials that appear to include shortcuts to win convictions may raise suspicions around the world. Edward F. Sherman, a former Army lawyer who was until recently the dean of Tulane Law School in New Orleans, said a prominent example was that under the president's order, defendants in the tribunals might not be permitted to select their own lawyers. Defendants in courts- martial are allowed to do so. Mr. Sherman said that and many other omissions raised questions about how commission trials would be perceived. "If it appears they're assigning lawyers and just going through the steps and then imposing the death penalty," he said, "there would be questions around the world about whether these kinds of trials comport with the basic due process we expect in our legal system." Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 20:26:20 (EST) from dialup-209.247.55.144.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
LOL, I know. Like anything we do could cause them to hate us less. We give most of the countries that hate us money and that doesn't stop them from hating us. We helped many of them militarily in the past and that doesn't stop them from hating us. Because their hate is not based on what we do... it's who we ARE...

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. There is no way to please everyone, nor would we or should we wish to.

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:59:05 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.67.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


I meant to say START putting principle above politics.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:51:47 (EST) from dialup-63.211.246.250.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Joy - my favorite argument from these people is the "we don't want to anger them or make them hate us" argument. Hello????? They already hate us enough to kill themselves while killing us. It doesn't get more ticked off than thet. These people need to stop putting principle above politics for once and do what is right.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:47:01 (EST) from dialup-63.211.246.250.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Aaron - it worked in the first one! Already read it. Excellent article!

And maybe Monica needs to be reminded that Clinton handled the first bombing like she wants... it didn't stop them, did it? It just pointed out what pushovers we are... correction... WERE. The Clintonistas are no longer in power Monica. Get over it!

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:25:41 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.67.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


Whoops, forgot the link. http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york-issue112901.shtml
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:17:33 (EST) from dialup-63.211.246.250.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
A great article in the national review.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:16:59 (EST) from dialup-63.211.246.250.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
OK now we are getting down to the real nitty gritty. Monica feel sthat setting up military tribunals for war criminals will set a precedent for taking away of ALL of our Constitutional rights. The ignorance in this statement astounds me. If she knew her history at all she would have learned that the precedent for military tribunals was set LONG ago. The conspiractors in Lincolns assassination were tried by military tribunals and executed as per the court's decision. In 1942, 8 Nazi terrorists landed in FLorida and New York with bomb making materials and plans to blow up factories, bridges, etc. They were tried by military tribunals that were set as per an executive order by FDR. The tribunals are set up for NON-citizens who are committing or conspiring to commit terrorist acts against America. They are set up for people who commit acts of war against us and should be treated as such.

"Defenders argue in effect that because some people weren't happy with the verdicts in some recent high-profile jury trials, that jury trials are unreliable and we should not have them for foreign "terrorists"."

You still don't get it. This is but one of the MANY arguments defenders put forth. But this argument goes further than that. In the past, terror groups have gained valuable information about military and law enforcement procedures from evidence required to be given to the defense before trial. The president’s decision cuts off this source of critical information from terrorists. These terrorists comitted acts of war against us and should be treated as such. To insinuate that domestic criminals will be tried by tribunal shows that you have no read anything of value about the order. This order applies to NON-CITIZENS ONLY.

"This has happened in other countries which had similar laws."

Name one.

The bottom line here is that opponents have no rational reason to oppose military tribunals. Their fear is based on an irrational fear and hatred of those on the right that they disagree with. SO they enshroud themselves in ignorance, refuse to think critically and spout off catchy phrases that have no meaning. They can't even call the terrorist acts "acts of war" like they are.

Why are liberal so afraid of the truth?
Aaron
Co USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:12:13 (EST) from dialup-63.211.246.250.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Monica - "This is a dangerous precedent." It's NOT a precedent. Don't you know history?

What do you not understand about terrorists not being citizens, ergo not deserving the same rights as citizens? You think they deserve better treatment than our military service people??? You think these countries will stop terrorizing us if we grant the terrorists a jury trial??? And who pray tell would their 'peers' be?!? And you think the propaganda against our country will stop regardless of what we do???

This is WAR... they HATE us and attacked us because of what we believe, not what we've DONE! Why can't you 'get' that?

Joy
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 15:04:12 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.67.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net


"Why don't you tell us the real reason that you disagree with tribunals?" Just what do you think that "real reason" is Ted? The real reason is that this is setting a precedent for taking away all our Constitutional rights. Defenders argue in effect that because some people weren't happy with the verdicts in some recent high-profile jury trials, that jury trials are unreliable and we should not have them for foreign "terrorists". Will they next decide not to have them for domestic criminals? The government can just say anyone they don't like is a "terrorist" and try him in a secret military trial. This has happened in other countries which had similar laws. This is a dangerous precedent. This September 11 hijackers killed themselves too (I wish they had done this without killing so many others) so the possibility of being killed wouldn't have deterred them. In "Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number" Jacobo Timmerman, a Newspaper Publisher in Argentina in the 1970's when they had severe problems with terrorism, and was jailed and tortured for his opposition to it, describes hearing of an incident where some military officers were poisoned. He said it was likely to be the guerrillas and they should be tried, sentenced and executed. To which someone sayed to him he'd be happy to hear they had all been executed. Mr. Timmerman then said he thought it would be better if they were sentenced in a public trial to expose the truth about the guerrillas, so young people would look elsewhere for their symbols. Are some people in the CIA, FBI or other US government agencies afraid that a public trial of September 11 conspirators would expose their connections with Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban?
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 14:46:35 (EST) from dialup-166.90.43.224.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
"How do you know everyone tried by a military court will be a "terrorist"?"

What on Earth makes you think they will?? Do you have any facts to back this up or just your own paranoia?

"If Osama Bum Laden is captured and tried in secret by a military tribunal, you think Al Queda leaders won't know and would be any less likely to take a hostage to win his freedom if they're so inclined."

There is a hell of a lot less of a chance that this will happen if he is tried with a military tribunal and put to death than if he is tried in a civil court, which would last about 2 years or so, and the put in prison for life.

"If a terrorist is convicted in a secret military trial his family, friends and compatriots may suspect he/she was set up and is being treated unjustly."

This will happen no matter what. These people ALREADY think they are being treated unjustly. That is why they are hijacking our planes and flying them into buildings. They'll use anything they can for propaganda. However, if we show them that the USA doesn't screw around anymore and that you WILL die. They'll think twice before killing Americans again.

". A public trial would show the world the truth of what the terrorists have done and what they're really like. Trials have been done involving Mob members and sensitive security issues. "

Bad analogy. First of all, a public trial would reveal the witnesses, evidence gathering info and other information that would hurt the Intellgence community. Second, the Mob is MUCH easier to infiltrate than the Al Queda or other terrorist networks. Once we find a way to gather evidence against them, we can't compromise that. For you to use these two comparisons shows how ignorant and uninformed you are,

These terrorists commmitted an act of war and deserve to be treated as such. Bush has precedent for doing this and he is well within his duties to do this. Instead of spouting out rhetoric, try thinking for once and realizing the damage civilian trials could do.
Aaron
CO USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 14:08:08 (EST) from dialup-63.211.246.250.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net


Monica get it through your head...those terrorists don't need any excuse to have more hostility towards the US...we could execute Osama on CNN and it would have the same effect on them as you going to McDonalds and having a Big Mac.

Why don't you tell us the real reason that you disagree with tribunals?
Ted <newt99_22@yahoo.com>
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 12:32:29 (EST) from 216.28.195.205


During WWII, eight German nationals were convicted of plotting to destroy civilian and military sites. Roosevelt had them tried by military tribunal, and most of them (I think one was a turncoat) were executed. I'm not saying we should execute terrorists, but why are we so concerned about the well-being of people who want to destroy us?
Melissa
Philly, USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 09:07:07 (EST) from 0-1pool156-204.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
"A public trial would show the world the truth of what the terrorists have done and what they're really like."

Hello? Remember OJ? And what about the famous Rodney King? Yes, the "Truth" really influenced the outcome of those trials, let alone public opinion........

And, I'm sure we can all trust the talking heads in the media to always give us the unbiased facts...

Please get it through your head - these terrorists do not have the "Right" to the same protections the US Constitution affords good old American criminals. This is war, and nasty things tend to happen during wars.
Matt
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 05:24:59 (EST) from 199.38.133.55


How do you know everyone tried by a military court will be a "terrorist"? If Osama Bum Laden is captured and tried in secret by a military tribunal, you think Al Queda leaders won't know and would be any less likely to take a hostage to win his freedom if they're so inclined. If a terrorist is convicted in a secret military trial his family, friends and compatriots may suspect he/she was set up and is being treated unjustly. Terrorists and supporters could use this for propaganda. More hostility to the US might result, with all its consequences. A public trial would show the world the truth of what the terrorists have done and what they're really like. Trials have been done involving Mob members and sensitive security issues. Courts have taken special measures to protect witnesses, juries and state secrets in such trials. Anti-American statements would ring hollow coming from the perpetrators of what the world knows was a horrible mass murder of innocents.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 02:45:34 (EST) from dialup-166.90.45.190.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net